ADMIN Thread - Ideas, Suggestions, SSC/Mods Messages, Thread Title Change Requests, etc

[up the tigers]

Well the Royal Mail dont seem to like it

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...l/article.html
Royal Mail to decide on future of Humberside
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 06:30

IT'S a bone of contention for many residents.

People have long complained about receiving letters post-marked Humberside, even though such a place does not exist.

Now campaigners are hoping the term will be dropped forever from the Royal Mail's official postal database.

Commissioners have announced they will make a decision on its use by the end of the year.

Graham Stuart, MP for Beverley and Holderness, who has campaigned on the issue, is optimistic Royal Mail will take action.

He said: "We are not there yet, but I am very hopeful we will get the right result.

"For years, people who live in the East Riding of Yorkshire, Hull and across the Humber in North and North East Lincolnshire have simply not understood why this has taken so long to put right.

"I know many of my constituents will be delighted if it is finally decided to rectify this anomaly and drop Humberside forever."

Councillor Stephen Parnaby, leader of East Riding Council, is hopeful that common sense will prevail.

He said: "I too am delighted that it is being taken seriously, as many people have contacted me to express their utter frustration that Humberside is still being used in addresses after all these years."

In 2008, Postcomm, the independent regulator for UK postal services, announced it was holding a consultation seeking views on a code of practice to govern changes to Royal Mail's postcode address file.

At that time Mr Stuart launched the Humberside Must Go campaign and called for Postcomm to recommend the deletion of North and South Humberside from postal databases.

Royal Mail will consider Postcomm's recommendations in its review of counties and changes to its code, which then have to be approved by the regulator.

Philip Groves, senior associate at Postcomm, said Royal Mail has promised to review the matter.

He said: "Royal Mail has proposed to handle this question outside the immediate review of the code of practice.

"Our commissioners will consider the proposed changes to the code, including Royal Mail's approach on the issue of county information and we hope to publish a decision this year.

A spokesperson for Royal Mail said: "Royal Mail welcomes Postcomm's public consultation and awaits feedback for consideration into the code of practice, governing changes to the Postcode Address File which includes the use of counties in addresses."

[Dazzar86]

As has been mentioned, only 3 organisations use the term 'Humberside'; police, fire and the BBC.

The BBC have recently changed a lot of things on their website from Humberside to simply 'Humber' - probably to do with the more recent use by organisations of 'Hull and Humber' and/or 'Yorkshire and the Humber'.

The only reason the fire and police departments use 'Humberside Police' is because of two things. 1 is money - it costs. and 2. Because they don't just police the East Riding of Yorkshire - the Grimsby/Scunthorpe/North-East Lincolnshire area does not have it's own police force, hence it being policed by Hull and East Riding's force making sense it being called 'Humberside Police' - it may change when or if the government want to spend money setting up a North-East Lincolnshire police force and if they can be bothered to spend money in changing 'Humberside Police' to Hull & East Riding police.

[pug]

Dont forget the airport too...

It would not be logic strategicaly to set up a North East Lincs police. Radio Humberside was called so before Humberside came into existance also.

I think its about time it gets dropped. Ok its a simple job changing the Royal Mail system, but if people are to continue moaning about Humberside, even after it was abolished, its going a bit too far. Honestly, though Humberside may not be a nice name, we have far more in common with the south bank than we do with the rest of Yorkshire...

Its these 'traditionalist' people that cannot let the past go which will continue to hold the region back, i have no problem with the regions roots, and i like being part of Yorkshire, but if we continue alienating each other between north and south bank then we are just being totaly counter productive.

[b4mmy]

Originally Posted by up the tigers

"Royal Mail welcomes Postcomm's public consultation and awaits feedback for consideration...."

I can categorically state that skyscrapercity.com will also welcome the results of this consultation, and await the decision of the Royal Mail with interest.

Yes, you can quote me

[legolamb]

Moss Side?

Ironside?

(Which reminds me, If we 're basing it on Police Forces, perhaps Middlesbrough's subforum should be moved to the Ohio section?)

[Dazzar86]

Originally Posted by legolamb

Moss Side?

Ironside?

(Which reminds me, If we 're basing it on Police Forces, perhaps Middlesbrough's subforum should be moved to the Ohio section?)

Or the Family Guy forum?

[LackofColour]

Originally Posted by legolamb

Is there any chance we could have the subforum name changed to 'Hull and Humber' please B4mmy?

This.

[Bushy_Badger]

Originally Posted by LackofColour

This.

Hull & East Riding of Yorkshire gets my vote.

Anything but bloody Humberside.

[Pippin0490]

I've got to side with 'Hull & Humber'.

But that's no suprise is it, looking at my display picture?

[legolamb]

Hull and Humber please Newcastle Historian:

http://www.hullhumberclipper.com/

http://www.hull-humber-chamber.co.uk/

http://www.wtchumber.com/

http://www.humberep.co.uk/

http://www.thenorthernway.co.uk/page.asp?id=57

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_an...ts_City_Region

[Newcastle Historian]

An interesting debate, people!

legolamb, thanks also for your PM on this subject. I'll get back to you all.

[Chris (Newcastle)]

HULL AND HUMBER

Humberside is wrong and offends.

[ChrisG (Hull)]

Hull and Humber for me too!

http://www.wtchumber.com/section5/

[Newcastle Historian]

There certainly seems to be a strong groundswell of opinion on here . .

(a) AGAINST the Humberside forum title
and
(b) FOR, Hull and Humber to be the title.

Before I proceed further with this, I notice one member suggested Hull and East Riding as the title.

Now, I only mention this (as only one, out of many, has suggested it) because this is also the title given to the "sticky" Forum Photography Thread. HERE . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=981142

Now, the title of the forum photography thread tends to follow (be the same as) the title of the forum. So (Question 1) is there a reason the photography thread was named thus, and could there be other posters (who have not contributed to this yet) who might prefer THAT title for the forum also?

Now, my own investigations points me in the direction of Hull and Humber as being the title/description used by quite a few organisations (etc) within the region.

But, in a wider perspective, as SSC is an international structure, (Question 2) is 'Hull and Humber' easily identifiable around the UK and/or the world, on SSC . . . as covering ALL of the area that this forum covers?

(Question 3) Would "Hull and East Riding" not more fully cover the full area?

Alternatively (Question 4) would, "Hull, Humber & East Riding" (as a title) be a possible compromise . . . or would it be a 'confusion'?

Also, I am aware that with 'Hull and Humber' becoming the title of most frequent use (around and about) it would seem sensible to stick exactly with that, rather than with a 'slight variation' of/from that (eg, by the inclusion of East Riding).

So, please forgive me for asking these further questions, but I strongly feel that if we are able to change the forum name (and I can make no promises at this stage) we need to have looked thoroughly at every aspect first, so that we can be certain we have achieved the best of all worlds.

So, I would be interested in hearing the forums comments, in response to my ('devils advocate') questions.

[legolamb]

The 'Humber' in Hull and Humber is inclusive of all the local authority areas in the area - The City and County of Kingston-Upon-Hull, The East Riding of Yorkshire (of which Hull is a ceremonial constituent, but not directly governed by), and North East lincolnshire.

The Hull and Humber city region therefore includes the city of Hull and it's built up conurbation(which - I would argue - also includes Barton-on-Humber on the south bank), the rest of the rural East Riding as well as the economic ties created with the south bank by the estuary. There is plenty of news and info on economic and particularly port developments on the south bank already included on the sub-forum.

In short, if the sub-forum was simply Hull and East Riding, it would effectively cut off discussion about and lose appeal to the other half of the recognised government, industrial and business economic development region.

Within a Hull and Humber sub-forum, a Hull and East Riding photography titled thread should not be a problem, just as a Grimsby and North East Lincolnshire photography thread would not be a problem. The only problem in the past has been when all areas were under the control of one authority, in effect rewriting history and removing ancient county birth-rights.

As a city-region, and as a growing developmental entity, Hull and Humber fits the bill perfectly, and it is right that it's capital and primary urban centre is included in the title, just as the ten different local authorities that make up Greater Manchester come under the Manchester thread, or the different local authorities in the tyneside area now come under the Newcastle metro area title for you sub-forum.

[Bushy_Badger]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Before I proceed further with this, I notice one member suggested Hull and East Riding as the title.

As it was me I will quickly answer this one, I would be more then happy to go along with the more popular Hull & Humber. It is far more suitable then Humberside and progress in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Now, I only mention this (as only one, out of many, has suggested it) because this is also the title given to the "sticky" Forum Photography Thread.

That is one of the reasons I suggested Hull & East Riding of Yorkshire to match the photography thread.

My other reasons were that the word Humber could suggest the south bank of the river which has not been a focus on our threads were as we have included some developments and news from towns like Beverley which are in the East Riding of Yorkshire

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Now, the title of the forum photography thread tends to follow (be the same as) the title of the forum. So (Question 1) is there a reason the photography thread was named thus, and could there be other posters (who have not contributed to this yet) who might prefer THAT title for the forum also?

From memory I think it may have been called Humberside Photography at first but we managed to get it changed but for some reason BAMMY would not budge on changing the name of the fourm.

I do agree that it would make sense to name to photography thread along the same lines as the forum title.

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Alternatively (Question 4) would, "Hull, Humber & East Riding" (as a title) be a possible compromise . . . or would it be a 'confusion'?

I would be happy with that too. I was going to suggest a poll but then again most of the regular posters have suggested Hull & Humber already so it is probably pointless to do so. Like I said earlier we have included bits from around East Riding of Yorkshire so to me it makes sense to include it in the title of our thread but I will happily go along with Hull & Humber if that is the more popular choice among my esteemed posters.

I dare not even suggest Kingston Upon Hull

[legolamb]

Sorry NH, I realise there is a lot to pick through there,I think i've confused myself! and it confuses most people in the area, never mind somebody from elsewhere without much of a grounding in the minutae of our local politics, so I'll just try to answer each of your questions.

(Question 1) is there a reason the photography thread was named thus, and could there be other posters (who have not contributed to this yet) who might prefer THAT title for the forum also?

You'd have to ask the originator, but a Hull and East Riding photography thread is just that. It could have just as easily been a Goole and East Riding photography thread, as it is also a part of the Hull and Humber sub-region.

(Question 2) is 'Hull and Humber' easily identifiable around the UK and/or the world, on SSC . . . as covering ALL of the area that this forum covers?
Geographically speaking, it is unquestionably the strongest hint of which part of the country is being discussed out of the available options

(Question 3) Would "Hull and East Riding" not more fully cover the full area?

No, it would only cover the north bank of the estuary, Hull and Humber would also include the south bank, and apart from the strong economic and developmental ties in ports terms, It could be argued that the city of Hull's immediate built up conurbation actually extends south of the estuary anyway.

(Question 4) would, "Hull, Humber & East Riding" (as a title) be a possible compromise . . . or would it be a 'confusion'?


That would be the equivalent of calling a sub-forum "Hull, The United Kingdom and England". They are all intertwined on different levels.

[Bushy_Badger]

Originally Posted by legolamb

There is plenty of news and info on economic and particularly port developments on the south bank already included on the sub-forum.

Would you kindly point me in the right direction of this thread. As I couldnt find one earlier when I searched before I posted my above response. I suppose it is quite possibly tucked away on the big thread or amybe we need to start one.

Originally Posted by legolamb

In short, if the sub-forum was simply Hull and East Riding, it would effectively cut off discussion about and lose appeal to the other half of the recognised government, industrial and business economic development region.

Whilst I do agree and certainly dont want to alienate the south bank we have more threads and more discussion about the East Riding of Yorkshire (so far).

[legolamb]

There's a lot of stuff related to the south bank in the transport thread about bridge tolls etc, there is a Humberside Airport thread, there are bit's of port news and renewable energy developments in the respective threads, and I remember B4mmy posting news about Grimsby developments in the full summary thread before the sub-forum was introduced.

We could do with a few south bankers on here though, I'm sure the new title would attract and create some healthy discussion and debate.

[James Boddy]

Humbersides a great name, does exactly what it says on the tin. As a descriptive term, it hasn't been beaten. Such a shame about the way it was brought in, rather like the "kingston upon" prefix.