Hull and Humber - Healthcare and NHS Developments and Issues - Page 5

livin' hull · October 10th, 2011, 11:42 PM

ward campus - hmm sounds like the old estates strategy... the new one posted earlier in this thread is the one to scruntinise - as are planning applics for new entrance.

as for the AE (or should that be ED the correct terminology

) it is indeed one to watch.. the new facilities from presentations I've seen are A1, and will (when helipad is built) will truly provide amongst the best emergency care facilities in the country.

up the tigers · October 11th, 2011, 01:42 PM

Very looking forward to when plans are submitted and approved fingers crossed. I see no reason why they shouldnt. The figure of £7m suggests it will be a decent sized extension but not a massive one. I know its still early days but does anyone have any more details on height, the area it will cover and where it will attach on to the existing building.

I gather at the moment its just rearanging departments and services that is going on inside to make way for the new extension. But when are we likely to see the first construction taking place?

up the tigers · November 23rd, 2011, 04:47 PM

Anyone able to provide an update on the A&E upgrade and whats happened so far and when the main phases are expected to be completed.

Pippin0490 · November 23rd, 2011, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hull

There were badly injured patients lying in the corridors and I had to walk through this. I find it rather disrespectful in privacy terms for the patient.

That isn't specific to Hull Royal.

Please tell me they're not demolishing the Haughton building:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...=12,75.44,,0,0

Pippin0490 · November 23rd, 2011, 09:36 PM

Up for a spot of protesting? May even refuse to move from the building when the bulldozers arrive. More realisticly could always write a strongly worded letter to the land owners!

The eastern block was built in 1892 and the western block (next to Argyle street) in 1914. Why demolish them for the sake of a new building when there is a massive amount of empty land across Argly Street AND Fountain street either side of the Infirmary?

If they're dead set on demolishing buildings for expansion, may I suggest the tower blocks opposite the Infirmary?

This has actually really annoyed me, the suggestion of refusing to move from the building was , at first, a joke. However now I am seriously thinking of doing it. Did we learn nothing from the post wars years and the massive regret of demolishing so much of our history?

The people behind this need shooting with shite!

livin' hull · November 23rd, 2011, 09:59 PM

There's currently a weeklyish update on the works at HRI to rebuild/renovate AE - I'll see what I can extract and post here... Suffice to say there's a very good reason for lack of signage but it's not the hospitals fault... New signs should be up by now though!

As for a sitin in the Haughton - feel free although I don't expect you'd get much sympathy, I've been through reasons before why it's got to go..
Ps lamd to east of fountain street doesn't belong to nhs, so no buildings there.

Anyways I'll try to put something coherent together tomorrow, failing that I'll give you a contact name to email.

up the tigers · November 23rd, 2011, 11:10 PM

If you look on google maps there is a single story building to the east of the Haughton building that i believe is also set to be demolished. At the moment it represents a total waste of space but a quite sizeable new build could replace it and could provide all the necessary new space. The Haughton building and its neighbour could then remain standing.

It will be a shame to see it go as its very noticeable from the train. But HRI is in desperate need of expansion so if the trust feel this building is standing in the way of that i will be only to pleased to see the site redeveloped. Of course the site could become a car park for several years in which case i would be very disappointed.

Nice to hear building work is currently progressing in A&E. In 23 years i have never been to A&E so when i do i hope to see a brand new facility.

bighead · November 23rd, 2011, 11:32 PM

i only really took any notice of this building fter i read the other week it was to eb demolished. it does look good from argylle street and i'd liek it to remain. unfortunately they can't keep a building for the sake of keeping a building due to cost. it would be good to see it get an overhaul, maybe with a nice glass box around the base?

Wagg · November 24th, 2011, 10:00 AM

I've been told to get my stuff out of the Haughton Building pronto rather than the March 12 date originally planned, so read into that what you will

Swanland Tiger · November 24th, 2011, 12:11 PM

The Haughton building is to be demolished? to be replaced by what exactly?

Pippin0490 · November 24th, 2011, 12:39 PM

I'm serious about doing anything possible to save this building, if that means putting together a petition then so be it, that is if enough people agree that the Haughton building (east and west) should be saved.

Out of interest, how many on here would sign such a petition? Or - in extreme case - do a sit-in?

Swanland Tiger · November 24th, 2011, 01:35 PM

I am not aware of the buildings history or it architectural value but i will have a look prior to Hull City's game v Burnley on Saturday.

Could you give more information please Pipin0490 on this building? and why you have so much passion for it?

Pippin0490 · November 24th, 2011, 03:43 PM

Certainly. A lot of information can be found in this link:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Hull/

I simply have a passion for our city, it's history and old buildings. Particulaly Victorian builds.

When going through old Hull photos it's often very sad to see what has been lost. Yes, what was lost during the war was, alas, unavoidable really. But when the city council (and other developers, but mainly HCC) have done more damage to the city than the two world wars it is unacceptable.

I have not got this confirmed but I have heard that instead of the figures of damage often stated about damage to our city during the wars (mainly second) the figure it actually a lot lower (around 30%) with the council responsible for another 50-60% (not just clearing dombed/partially bombed buildings).

Our city doesn't make a big enough deal about the fantastic history we have, especially the fantastic arcitectual history (many flemish inspired). And to carry on seeing more and more old buildings needlessly demolished infuriates me. It shows that we haven't learnt from past mistakes (such as demolishion of wonferful old churches in 70's, old buildings on King Edward Street in the 80's and of course devastating the High Street and old Castle Street area for the terribly Myton Bridge and new Castle Street).

If we continue to allow this to happen, then I fear the false portrayal of our city will become more and more acurate and our history forgotten.

What's next? Lordline? Wincomlee? Old Schools on Beverley road area? The dock offices? Hell, why don't we just knock down everything from pre 1950?

Despite the shocking amount of lost buildings (and more) our city still has a massive amount of historical buildings. I recall reading that our Old Town is one of the most well preserved (if not THE most well preserved), which is amazing considering how much has been lost. And as such, the very thing that sets our city apart is our History. And to take away that would be to take away our very soul. We'll end up just like Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield.

One of the main problems of our city is often cited as "the people don't realise how good it is, don't stand up for it etc". I therefore think it is very important that our generation does stand up and protect what should not be lost. If I was around when Myton Bridge/Castle Street was done I would have done my very best to protect the, now lost, several hundred year old buildings. And thus I shall endevour to do the same for the buildings in question.

Congratulation to whoever managed to read that entire speech/rant.

Dazzar86 · November 24th, 2011, 04:47 PM

The problem today is that not enough people care, not just about history, but about anything. Look at the way people treat the streets with litter, graffiti, chewing gum etc... that new clock outside Paragon Interchange - I think it was up about 2 days before someone had stuck a sticker on the clock face.

The council obviously don't care either, otherwise they wouldn't allow Queen Vic Sq to look as dated as it does, or allow Carr Lane to look like a patchwork quilt.

People have crap attitudes and don't care about anything but themselves these days, I mean look at the way some people treat their own houses, with junks scattered all over the garden etc...

It's sad, but the modern way of living means people are so busy with their own lives, they have no time to care about anything else.

I'd like to see the building saved - there is no reason why it couldn't be turned into 'The Eden Camp of Medical services/history' to help pay for it's keep.

bighead · November 24th, 2011, 09:46 PM

if people care so much they should get onto the HDM, radio humberside etc. if they mention it you may find there's other who think likewise

Pippin0490 · November 24th, 2011, 10:24 PM

I'm not even sure how to go about contacting the media, to be honest I tend to do my best to avoid it, especially the HDM. But if it helps I'll contact them post haste.

livin' hull · November 24th, 2011, 10:43 PM

I would contact peter levy, Yorkshire post, hdm if you're concerned... Also perhaps a strongly worded letter to Phil Morley chief exec and acting chairman David watt.. Full list of key contacts in trust are below;

http://www.hey.nhs.uk/content/corpor...Structure.aspx

Theres also board meetings open to the public, the next ones in January perhaps you could attend - the papers from previous ones are here;

http://www.hey.nhs.uk/content/corpor...dMeetings.aspx

So good luck in your campaign - however for reasons as stated previously I won't be joining in.

Swanland Tiger · November 27th, 2011, 12:28 AM

Citycare have starte there next project on Hessle Road, at the former Heron frozen food factory.

http://g.co/maps/q2sqp

http://www.citycare-developments.co.uk/projects.html

Pippin0490 · November 30th, 2011, 12:06 AM

Thanks for the links and advice. Working on this and have already got support from local business owners and an entrepreneur in London. Currently formulating a case and about to contact with the Victorian Society.

Will keep you updated.

up the tigers · December 8th, 2011, 12:53 AM

Dont know if this has already been posted but it seems its still going ahead and should begin next year.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html
Hull Royal Infirmary repair work to start in April

Monday, July 11, 2011

W HULL: Work to repair Hull Royal Infirmary is expected to begin in April.

The work was put on hold as Hull And East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust strives to save £95 million by 2015.

The hospital tower block in Anlaby Road has been enclosed in a safety net to protect the public from falling mosaic since 2006.

Work to repair the fabric of the building is expected to take a year to complete.

Pauline Lewin, director of infrastructure and development at the trust, said: "At present, the scheme to clad the exterior of Hull Royal Infirmary has been delayed while we prioritise the reconfiguration of our accident and emergency department.

"The £5 million A&E scheme must be completed before we begin the cladding work, as it will affect the main entrance area at Hull Royal Infirmary.

"Like all NHS organisations, our capital budget has been reduced significantly as we aim to make substantial savings over the next five years.

"However, we will be refreshing the plans for the cladding scheme over the next four to five months and it is now planned for construction works to begin in early April 2012."

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October 10th, 2011, 11:42 PM	#81
livin' hull Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,056 Likes (Received): 1	ward campus - hmm sounds like the old estates strategy... the new one posted earlier in this thread is the one to scruntinise - as are planning applics for new entrance. as for the AE (or should that be ED the correct terminology ) it is indeed one to watch.. the new facilities from presentations I've seen are A1, and will (when helipad is built) will truly provide amongst the best emergency care facilities in the country.

October 11th, 2011, 01:42 PM	#82
up the tigers Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingston Upon Hull Posts: 3,294 Likes (Received): 0	Very looking forward to when plans are submitted and approved fingers crossed. I see no reason why they shouldnt. The figure of £7m suggests it will be a decent sized extension but not a massive one. I know its still early days but does anyone have any more details on height, the area it will cover and where it will attach on to the existing building. I gather at the moment its just rearanging departments and services that is going on inside to make way for the new extension. But when are we likely to see the first construction taking place?

November 23rd, 2011, 04:47 PM	#83
up the tigers Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingston Upon Hull Posts: 3,294 Likes (Received): 0	Anyone able to provide an update on the A&E upgrade and whats happened so far and when the main phases are expected to be completed.

November 23rd, 2011, 09:36 PM	#85
Pippin0490 Are we not men?We're Devo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 567 Likes (Received): 2	Up for a spot of protesting? May even refuse to move from the building when the bulldozers arrive. More realisticly could always write a strongly worded letter to the land owners! The eastern block was built in 1892 and the western block (next to Argyle street) in 1914. Why demolish them for the sake of a new building when there is a massive amount of empty land across Argly Street AND Fountain street either side of the Infirmary? If they're dead set on demolishing buildings for expansion, may I suggest the tower blocks opposite the Infirmary? This has actually really annoyed me, the suggestion of refusing to move from the building was , at first, a joke. However now I am seriously thinking of doing it. Did we learn nothing from the post wars years and the massive regret of demolishing so much of our history? The people behind this need shooting with shite!

November 23rd, 2011, 09:59 PM	#86
livin' hull Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,056 Likes (Received): 1	There's currently a weeklyish update on the works at HRI to rebuild/renovate AE - I'll see what I can extract and post here... Suffice to say there's a very good reason for lack of signage but it's not the hospitals fault... New signs should be up by now though! As for a sitin in the Haughton - feel free although I don't expect you'd get much sympathy, I've been through reasons before why it's got to go.. Ps lamd to east of fountain street doesn't belong to nhs, so no buildings there. Anyways I'll try to put something coherent together tomorrow, failing that I'll give you a contact name to email.

November 23rd, 2011, 11:10 PM	#87
up the tigers Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingston Upon Hull Posts: 3,294 Likes (Received): 0	If you look on google maps there is a single story building to the east of the Haughton building that i believe is also set to be demolished. At the moment it represents a total waste of space but a quite sizeable new build could replace it and could provide all the necessary new space. The Haughton building and its neighbour could then remain standing. It will be a shame to see it go as its very noticeable from the train. But HRI is in desperate need of expansion so if the trust feel this building is standing in the way of that i will be only to pleased to see the site redeveloped. Of course the site could become a car park for several years in which case i would be very disappointed. Nice to hear building work is currently progressing in A&E. In 23 years i have never been to A&E so when i do i hope to see a brand new facility.

November 23rd, 2011, 11:32 PM	#88
bighead Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 333 Likes (Received): 0	i only really took any notice of this building fter i read the other week it was to eb demolished. it does look good from argylle street and i'd liek it to remain. unfortunately they can't keep a building for the sake of keeping a building due to cost. it would be good to see it get an overhaul, maybe with a nice glass box around the base?

November 24th, 2011, 10:00 AM	#89
Wagg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Likes (Received): 0	I've been told to get my stuff out of the Haughton Building pronto rather than the March 12 date originally planned, so read into that what you will

November 24th, 2011, 12:11 PM	#90
Swanland Tiger BANNED Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 40 Likes (Received): 0	The Haughton building is to be demolished? to be replaced by what exactly?

November 24th, 2011, 12:39 PM	#91
Pippin0490 Are we not men?We're Devo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 567 Likes (Received): 2	I'm serious about doing anything possible to save this building, if that means putting together a petition then so be it, that is if enough people agree that the Haughton building (east and west) should be saved. Out of interest, how many on here would sign such a petition? Or - in extreme case - do a sit-in?

November 24th, 2011, 03:43 PM	#93
Pippin0490 Are we not men?We're Devo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 567 Likes (Received): 2	Certainly. A lot of information can be found in this link: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Hull/ I simply have a passion for our city, it's history and old buildings. Particulaly Victorian builds. When going through old Hull photos it's often very sad to see what has been lost. Yes, what was lost during the war was, alas, unavoidable really. But when the city council (and other developers, but mainly HCC) have done more damage to the city than the two world wars it is unacceptable. I have not got this confirmed but I have heard that instead of the figures of damage often stated about damage to our city during the wars (mainly second) the figure it actually a lot lower (around 30%) with the council responsible for another 50-60% (not just clearing dombed/partially bombed buildings). Our city doesn't make a big enough deal about the fantastic history we have, especially the fantastic arcitectual history (many flemish inspired). And to carry on seeing more and more old buildings needlessly demolished infuriates me. It shows that we haven't learnt from past mistakes (such as demolishion of wonferful old churches in 70's, old buildings on King Edward Street in the 80's and of course devastating the High Street and old Castle Street area for the terribly Myton Bridge and new Castle Street). If we continue to allow this to happen, then I fear the false portrayal of our city will become more and more acurate and our history forgotten. What's next? Lordline? Wincomlee? Old Schools on Beverley road area? The dock offices? Hell, why don't we just knock down everything from pre 1950? Despite the shocking amount of lost buildings (and more) our city still has a massive amount of historical buildings. I recall reading that our Old Town is one of the most well preserved (if not THE most well preserved), which is amazing considering how much has been lost. And as such, the very thing that sets our city apart is our History. And to take away that would be to take away our very soul. We'll end up just like Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield. One of the main problems of our city is often cited as "the people don't realise how good it is, don't stand up for it etc". I therefore think it is very important that our generation does stand up and protect what should not be lost. If I was around when Myton Bridge/Castle Street was done I would have done my very best to protect the, now lost, several hundred year old buildings. And thus I shall endevour to do the same for the buildings in question. Congratulation to whoever managed to read that entire speech/rant.

November 24th, 2011, 04:47 PM	#94
Dazzar86 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hull Posts: 2,422 Likes (Received): 0	The problem today is that not enough people care, not just about history, but about anything. Look at the way people treat the streets with litter, graffiti, chewing gum etc... that new clock outside Paragon Interchange - I think it was up about 2 days before someone had stuck a sticker on the clock face. The council obviously don't care either, otherwise they wouldn't allow Queen Vic Sq to look as dated as it does, or allow Carr Lane to look like a patchwork quilt. People have crap attitudes and don't care about anything but themselves these days, I mean look at the way some people treat their own houses, with junks scattered all over the garden etc... It's sad, but the modern way of living means people are so busy with their own lives, they have no time to care about anything else. I'd like to see the building saved - there is no reason why it couldn't be turned into 'The Eden Camp of Medical services/history' to help pay for it's keep.

November 24th, 2011, 10:24 PM	#96
Pippin0490 Are we not men?We're Devo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 567 Likes (Received): 2	I'm not even sure how to go about contacting the media, to be honest I tend to do my best to avoid it, especially the HDM. But if it helps I'll contact them post haste.

November 24th, 2011, 10:43 PM	#97
livin' hull Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,056 Likes (Received): 1	I would contact peter levy, Yorkshire post, hdm if you're concerned... Also perhaps a strongly worded letter to Phil Morley chief exec and acting chairman David watt.. Full list of key contacts in trust are below; http://www.hey.nhs.uk/content/corpor...Structure.aspx Theres also board meetings open to the public, the next ones in January perhaps you could attend - the papers from previous ones are here; http://www.hey.nhs.uk/content/corpor...dMeetings.aspx So good luck in your campaign - however for reasons as stated previously I won't be joining in.

November 27th, 2011, 12:28 AM	#98
Swanland Tiger BANNED Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 40 Likes (Received): 0	Citycare have starte there next project on Hessle Road, at the former Heron frozen food factory. http://g.co/maps/q2sqp http://www.citycare-developments.co.uk/projects.html

November 30th, 2011, 12:06 AM	#99
Pippin0490 Are we not men?We're Devo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 567 Likes (Received): 2	Thanks for the links and advice. Working on this and have already got support from local business owners and an entrepreneur in London. Currently formulating a case and about to contact with the Victorian Society. Will keep you updated.

December 8th, 2011, 12:53 AM	#100
up the tigers Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingston Upon Hull Posts: 3,294 Likes (Received): 0	Dont know if this has already been posted but it seems its still going ahead and should begin next year. http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html Hull Royal Infirmary repair work to start in April Monday, July 11, 2011 W HULL: Work to repair Hull Royal Infirmary is expected to begin in April. The work was put on hold as Hull And East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust strives to save £95 million by 2015. The hospital tower block in Anlaby Road has been enclosed in a safety net to protect the public from falling mosaic since 2006. Work to repair the fabric of the building is expected to take a year to complete. Pauline Lewin, director of infrastructure and development at the trust, said: "At present, the scheme to clad the exterior of Hull Royal Infirmary has been delayed while we prioritise the reconfiguration of our accident and emergency department. "The £5 million A&E scheme must be completed before we begin the cladding work, as it will affect the main entrance area at Hull Royal Infirmary. "Like all NHS organisations, our capital budget has been reduced significantly as we aim to make substantial savings over the next five years. "However, we will be refreshing the plans for the cladding scheme over the next four to five months and it is now planned for construction works to begin in early April 2012."