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Old October 23rd, 2009, 01:48 AM   #21
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October 23, 2009 12:01am
ADELAIDE Oval's state-of-the-art redevelopment plan - a 55,000 all-seater stadium - is in the box seat to win the right to host FIFA World Cup matches.

Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley yesterday gave assurances Adelaide Oval was a safe bet to host potential 2018 or 2022 World Cup matches.

The FFA's vote of confidence would make Adelaide a potential World Cup semi-final venue for the 64-match World Cup tournament.

Melbourne's MCG is favourite to win the final while Sydney's ANZ Stadium is tipped to host the opening match.

The FFA will by the end of the month receive financial guarantees from all state governments with regard to the FIFA 2018 and 2022 World Cup bid.

The FFA needs to have its bid ready for FIFA by May next year.

Buckley has claimed to have seen the impressive plans for the proposed new Adelaide Oval redevelopment which has been backed by the Australian Football League hierarchy.

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"I've seen a very, very good plan for Adelaide Oval," Buckley said yesterday.

"It's very impressive and we have to have all stadium plans into FIFA by May next year."

The FFA currently has five near-FIFA compliant World Cup stadiums - the MCG, Etihad Stadium, Sydney Football Stadium, ANZ Stadium and Suncorp Stadium.

It needs seven more compliant stadiums to have any hope of winning the FIFA World Cup vote.

Buckley singled out Adelaide Oval, Newcastle's redeveloped EnergyAustralia Stadium, Gold Coast Stadium's state government-funded 45,000-seat redevelopment, an upgraded Townsville Dairy Farmers Stadium in Townsville, Perth's Subiaco Oval and Canberra Stadium as the key venues for the World Cup.

In Switzerland next December, FIFA will decide which nation will host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Hindmarsh Stadium is tipped to be a World Cup training venue for the FIFA tournament and will remain the home of Adelaide United and state soccer despite the proposed Adelaide Oval redevelopment.

Adelaide Oval will also guarantee that United would be able to host future A-League grand finals without any FFA procrastination.

The FFA has been reluctant to award Adelaide United a grand final purely because of the current stadium dilemma. The new Oval redevelopment could also bring the Socceroos back to Adelaide on a regular basis.
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Adelaide Oval though unideal, might look decent once fully upgraded...
MV's article above linked here:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html

Sorry, that redevelopment of AO might be great for cricket and foody, but for a WC stadium it is an EPIC FAILURE.

Seriously...

The MCG, due to its sheer scale and iconic status, could be forgiven its idiosyncrasies. AO on the other hand. Oh my.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 06:00 AM   #23
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I say this as an Australian resident who'd love the finals to come down here...

How can we expect to host the finals if we can't even justify building 8 football specific venues of suitable size?
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 07:56 AM   #24
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At the moment the FFA and the media are still on about using 4 ovals which is crippling to the bid. Morons the lot of them. I can only imagine these will be put forward in the intitial bid book but like Germany and RSA before, plans change and decent new venues are built. Think Germany initially proposed facelifts for Rhein Stadion, Waldstadion and Munich's Olympic stadium, only to build Allianz, Commerzbank and LTU Arena which wasn't used for the WC. RSA proposed the use of ABSA Kings Park and Newlands in their bid but have since built Moses Mabhida stadium and Green Point stadium. Lets all hope this is what happens in the Aussie bid.

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Ummm, no.

Lets see, still below the required 60 000 for Semi.
In the countries 5th largest city which has an almost stagnant population.
Hell my sketch design for Adelaide is more appropiate for the WC.

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Old October 23rd, 2009, 09:01 AM   #25
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MV's article above linked here:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html

Sorry, that redevelopment of AO might be great for cricket and foody, but for a WC stadium it is an EPIC FAILURE.

Seriously...

The MCG, due to its sheer scale and iconic status, could be forgiven its idiosyncrasies. AO on the other hand. Oh my.
Well if it's 55,000, then at least it's at a decent as opposed to just making it capacity.

Will Subiaco Oval still be considered? I was hoping for an upgraded Perth Oval, even if it were at base capacity.
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I think OZ is better off waiting for 2026 and hoping to beat China...
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 10:15 AM   #27
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^I think with should give the US a decent run for their money.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 12:43 PM   #28
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Major codes on the move if Australia gets World Cup

Michael Lynch
October 23, 2009

THE AFL and National Rugby League will have to shift matches out of Australia's capital cities for up to eight weeks during the winter of 2018 or 2022 if Australia wins the right to host the World Cup in either of these years.

Under FIFA regulations no major competitions can take place in any city hosting World Cup matches for the duration of the tournament, which lasts four weeks. The grounds being used for matches have to be clean of all existing advertising and not used for the four weeks leading up to the competition matches being staged.

In Melbourne's case, World Cup games would be at Etihad Stadium and the MCG, in Sydney at ANZ Stadium and Sydney Football Stadium, with major venues in Brisbane, Adelaide, Newcastle, the Gold Coast, Canberra and Perth also affected as they would be grounds where cup games would be staged.

Melbourne's new rectangular stadium is too small to meet FIFA criteria of minimum 40,000 capacity and can only be extended at enormous cost.

It's not just during the World Cup proper that soccer would take over the Australian sporting landscape. The NRL and Australian rules would also struggle to host matches in the four weeks leading up to the competition proper in some major cities as other non-matchday venues would be designated as FIFA training grounds, and could not be used for Australian football or league matches during that period.

Effectively, soccer's rival codes would have to shut down for up to eight weeks, or move the bulk of their competitions to rural and regional areas such as Geelong's Skilled Stadium or Wollongong's WIN Stadium.

It's a huge ask - and agreement has to be reached before next May, when Football Federation Australia must submit its final document on match venues, stadiums and infrastructure to FIFA. The FIFA executive will choose which countries will host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups at a meeting in Switzerland in December 2010.

FFA chief Ben Buckley, formerly Andrew Demetriou's No. 2 at the AFL, is optimistic agreement can be reached. Talks between all codes have been taking place, and Buckley argues that the legacy of improved sporting infrastructure for all sports when the cup caravan has moved on cannot be ignored.

FFA points to upgrades that occurred at the Gabba, Canberra Stadium, the MCG and Hindmarsh in Adelaide, because football was a key sport in the Sydney Olympics, as illustrative of the long-term gains from massive stadium investment.

''It would be fantastic to build all football venues, but we're also realistic enough to know it must leave a legacy for the entire sporting community,'' Buckley said. He said he was discussing use of Etihad with Demetriou.

''We have been discussing all the major issues and we will work with all the codes to look at alternative venues during that period. [But] the benefits will go to all sports. There will be huge capital investment in all venues,'' he said.

''The World Cup requires an eight-week period of displacement for those venues. But the other codes understand the benefits to Australia of hosting the World Cup [and] there's a pretty good working relationship with all the codes,'' Buckley said. ''There is precedence here, with the Olympic Games and the Rugby World Cup.''

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The World Cup involves 64 matches; Australia needs 12 venues that satisfy FIFA capacity and infrastructure demands. The FFA has identified 64 grounds that could be used as training venues.

MCG: Oval but the cathedral of Australian sport and one of the largest grounds in the world.

ETIHAD: World class, particularly with seats pulled in to make ground a rectangle.

SUNCORP (Brisbane): Probably the best rectangular venue in the country.

SYDNEY FOOTBALL STADIUM: Needs upgrade but good atmosphere.

ANZ STADIUM: Hosted the Olympics.

NSW: A fourth stadium upgrade (perhaps Parramatta) is on the cards.

NEWCASTLE: Subject of a massive government funded upgrade.

CARRARA (Gold Coast): Talks in train to reconfigure to 45,000 capacity with the option of making it rectangular for soccer.

TOWNSVILLE: Redevelopment plan being discussed for Dairy Farmers Stadium.

ADELAIDE: Discussions for upgrade of Adelaide Oval.

PERTH: Decision deferred on a new stadium. Possibility of a redevelopment of Subiaco.

CANBERRA: Canberra Stadium requires upgrade.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 04:54 PM   #29
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I'm glad they've realized the major task in organizing a world cup beyond just selecting or having 12 match venues available.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:10 AM   #30
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I'm glad they've realized the major task in organizing a world cup beyond just selecting or having 12 match venues available.
Yeah but they still havent grasped the no more than 1 city with 2 venues rule, though I think FIFA might let it slide if they gave the WC to Aus considering their existing infastructure. Still they would probably need more construction/redevelopment (in terms of stadia) work than SA to host successfully
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:21 AM   #31
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I would hope that any newly built rectangular stadiums are built in such a way that they can be scaled down after the tournament to have suitable A-league capacities. Korea/Japan left a legacy of the wrong kind: a legacy of cavernous venues far too big for the domestic leagues (with a few exceptions).
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:21 AM   #32
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I did not realise that other tournaments could not be held in the same city during the cup I suppose they will either have to stop or use other cities. I know places like Geelong, Ballarat, Launceston and Hobart wouldent mind been given an oppourtunity to host AFL matches. Could in fact be a great thing for those places in terms of gaining infrustructure and revenue from hosting the events.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #33
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Australian World Cup bid needs rivals' good will
22 October 2009

SYDNEY (AP) - A push to bring the World Cup to Australia would have to rely on the good grace of rival codes which outstrip football for TV ratings and crowd numbers in the domestic market.

Backers of Australia's bids for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup conceded Thursday that they'd need the Australian Football League, the National Rugby League and Super 14 rugby union teams to vacate their main venues in the middle of their seasons to have any chance of providing the facilities to host the world's biggest single sports event.

While football is the global game, it is currently ranked third of four football choices in Australia.

"We've met with all the sporting codes and they're all in broad agreement about the importance of the FIFA World Cup for Australia and the legacy it would deliver in terms of sporting infrastructure," Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley said. "There's a precedent in relation to the Sydney Olympics and the Rugby World Cup."

The AFL's Australian Rules is a domestic game, similar to Irish Gaelic football, and is the most popular sport in five of Australia's eight main states and territories.

Rugby league has its strongest presence in New South Wales and Queensland states, plus northern England. Rugby union is slipping in popularity in Australia, but is the more international of the rugby codes and has just had its condensed Sevens format included in the Olympics. Its Super 14 competition involves provincial teams from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

In 2000, the AFL and NRL ended their seasons early so as not to impede on Sydney's buildup to hosting the Olympics, which were in September, and again for the Rugby World Cup in 2003.

Buckley said it would take some work to convince rival codes to split their seasons in half to accommodate a June/July World Cup, but says the lure of improved stadiums could yield cooperation.

FIFA regulations stipulate a lockout for rival sports during the World Cup and for a four-week buildup.

The Australian government has supported the FFA's bids for the World Cup, and is expecting final projected costings from organizers next week. The FFA must lodge thorough World Cup plans next May with FIFA, which will vote on the 2018 and 2022 in December of next year.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #34
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I'm sure the AFL is just thrilled to death at the prospect of having Geelong as it's big venue for a month.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 02:21 AM   #35
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http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au...8891_news.html

World Cup bid may boost Dairy Farmers

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October 24th, 2009

TOWNSVILLE'S major sporting venue, Dairy Farmers Stadium, would almost double in capacity as part of a bid to bring the 2018 or 2022 Football World Cup to Australia.

The stadium's 26,500 capacity would be increased to 40,000 capacity to meet the requirement of the sport's governing body, Federation Internationale de Football Association's (FIFA).

Newcastle's Energy Australia Stadium, Carrara on the Gold Coast, Canberra's Bruce Stadium and a venue in Sydney's west would also be redeveloped.

Sydney's ANZ Stadium and Sydney Football Stadium, Melbourne's MCG and Etihad Stadium, Brisbane's Suncorp Stadium will top the list to host games with at least 12 stadiums needed.

Football Federation Australia (FFA) is already in advanced discussion with bosses of rival codes AFL and NRL to take an eight week mid-season break during the June-July tournament to free up the venues.

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Stadiums Queensland yesterday said they would support upgrading Dairy Farmers Stadium as part of the push to lure the biggest sporting spectacle in the world Down Under.

''The Queensland Government has indicated in-principle support for the FFA bid and we are working with the Commonwealth and other state and territory governments to consider the FIFA bid requirements and the implications for government,'' a spokesman said.

Townsville Mayor Les Tyrell said an upgrade of Dairy Farmers Stadium to a 40,000 seat world-class venue would rubber-stamp the city's credentials to host major events.

''I think it is a great recognition that we are being considered to host those sorts of matches,'' he said.

''We had a couple of matches for the Rugby League World Cup and we had three matches for the Rugby Union World Cup and obviously our capacity to host those major events has led to us being considered for a Football World Cup.

''It indicates that the State Government has confidence in the city and the stadium to host those events.''

Dairy Farmers Stadium's long-serving tenants the North Queensland Cowboys would benefit the most from a major upgrade as would its newest tenants the North Queensland Fury.

North Queensland Cowboys executive director Peter Parr welcomed talks of an upgrade but said he hoped it would take place before 2018.

''Stadiums Queensland has been very supportive over the last number of years,'' he said.

''We have been in continual dialogue with them to continue to upgrade the stadium, in particular the western grandstand.

''We are hopefully that something would happen before 2018 but if the soccer world cup was to come here and if that was the catalyst for it to happen that we would obviously be all for it.''

The stadium has transformed significantly since the two former councils chipped in $3 million and the State Government $500,000 about a decade ago to raise it from the dirt.

Cr Tyrell said the community was responsible for the transition.

''The stadium arose from an obsolete greyhound racing track and a large part of the work which was done to transform to a rugby league stadium was done by local people,'' he said.

''People who had heavy equipment graders and things like that to do the work and at the end of the day I think some of the players even laid some of the turf, it was very much a community effort.''
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The artical claims ANZ, SFS and another stadium in Sydneys west would be used as well as MCG and docklands in Melbourne. I dom't know how they plan on getting 3 in one city and 2 in another past FIFA
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The artical claims ANZ, SFS and another stadium in Sydneys west would be used as well as MCG and docklands in Melbourne. I dom't know how they plan on getting 3 in one city and 2 in another past FIFA
It seems FIFA allow only ONE city which can have maximum two stadiums. So others cities must have one stadium.
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Under FIFA regulations no major competitions can take place in any city hosting World Cup matches for the duration of the tournament, which lasts four weeks.
I like this sentence. It reflects the god like self-image of the FIFA. I wonder why they don't just demand everyone living in the host country to hold their breath for 2 months.

If this is meant to be serious than it would affect Cricket in England, Baseball in the USA and several leagues in Australia. I really can't see how this rule will stand.
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I like this sentence. It reflects the god like self-image of the FIFA. I wonder why they don't just demand everyone living in the host country to hold their breath for 2 months.

If this is meant to be serious than it would affect Cricket in England, Baseball in the USA and several leagues in Australia. I really can't see how this rule will stand.
Oh, make sure your Sydney Exhibition Centre is not in use too.
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It seems FIFA allow only ONE city which can have maximum two stadiums. So others cities must have one stadium.
I think that FIFA if they accept an australian bid might allow 2 stadiums in 2 cities because of the nature of australias infastructre and population but it def is a disadvantage when bidding.
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