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Old October 27th, 2009, 06:14 AM   #41
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I like this sentence. It reflects the god like self-image of the FIFA. I wonder why they don't just demand everyone living in the host country to hold their breath for 2 months.

If this is meant to be serious than it would affect Cricket in England, Baseball in the USA and several leagues in Australia. I really can't see how this rule will stand.
It should be noted that FIFA don't owe any country anything - it's up to the prospective hosts to impress them. Thus, FIFA can make any demand they want - if you don't like it, don't bid.

Australia's problem is that we have so few major population centers - it makes re-arranging fixtures to be played outside of World Cup host cities virtually impossible.

In the USA, you can take out 10-12 cities and still have God-knows-how-many capable of handling the other sports for the duration of the finals. Same with England - take out the host cities and there are still plenty of towns & cities that can handle cricket for the month.

We simply can't do that down here - unless the NRL/AFL get wise and take the game to the people - using country venues to play games where the world cup will hardly be noticed (infact, eclipsing interest in the world cup by bring their own roadshow to town).
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Old October 27th, 2009, 12:32 PM   #42
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It should be noted that FIFA don't owe any country anything - it's up to the prospective hosts to impress them. Thus, FIFA can make any demand they want - if you don't like it, don't bid.

Australia's problem is that we have so few major population centers - it makes re-arranging fixtures to be played outside of World Cup host cities virtually impossible.

In the USA, you can take out 10-12 cities and still have God-knows-how-many capable of handling the other sports for the duration of the finals. Same with England - take out the host cities and there are still plenty of towns & cities that can handle cricket for the month.

We simply can't do that down here - unless the NRL/AFL get wise and take the game to the people - using country venues to play games where the world cup will hardly be noticed (infact, eclipsing interest in the world cup by bring their own roadshow to town).
Exactly. We have 5 major cities and bearly anything else.

An our 100,000-300,000 aren't like in Europe where they're an hours drive from another major city. They stand alone and aren't capable of hosting more than a handful of matches.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 11:57 PM   #43
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Exactly. We have 5 major cities and bearly anything else.

An our 100,000-300,000 aren't like in Europe where they're an hours drive from another major city. They stand alone and aren't capable of hosting more than a handful of matches.
No entirely true, Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo are all around an hour from melbourne. but I suppose this is irrelavent as none of them are been considered for the World Cup
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Old October 28th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #44
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Watched the interview by a TWG journalist and Jack Warner. He basically said that England has the best bid, but that in no way guarantees they will become hosts because their lobbyists are "light weight" and arent having enough lunches with the FIFA delegates. What a joke. He then went on to say that the England bid team can learn something from Australia, and that the Australian showbags handed out to FIFA people at the under 20 Egypt world cup were the best piece of bidder promotion he had ever seen. What a joke, again.

I thought our bid was dead and buried, but then I realized the level of palm greasing and ass sucking needed to win the bid. Maybe Lowy can still pull a rabbit out of the hat, we win the bid, the states see dollar signs and start building proper stadiums. Doubt it but who knows with FIFA and the bid process being what it is...
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Old October 28th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #45
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I like this sentence. It reflects the god like self-image of the FIFA. I wonder why they don't just demand everyone living in the host country to hold their breath for 2 months.

If this is meant to be serious than it would affect Cricket in England, Baseball in the USA and several leagues in Australia. I really can't see how this rule will stand.
It wouldn't affect cricket in England too much at all. Most counties play their games at one primary ground but also at a few others throughout the county. If it means they have to play at the smaller grounds for a month then so be it. The only thing it would contend with would be England matches, and we'd know way in advance that we'd have to be careful with the scheduling. The Twenty20 Cup finals day is after the World Cup is normally held as well.

It certainly wouldn't affect England as much as Australia.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 12:44 AM   #46
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That rule would have to be broken if the US were to host. There is no way MLB is shutting down for a month and teams can't go on month long roadtrips. A compromise where maybe baseball teams are out of town for the group stages in cities that are only hosting group stages matches and the teams that play in cities hosting knockout stage matches are out of town during the knockout stage might work.
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Watched the interview by a TWG journalist and Jack Warner. He basically said that England has the best bid, but that in no way guarantees they will become hosts because their lobbyists are "light weight" and arent having enough lunches with the FIFA delegates. What a joke. He then went on to say that the England bid team can learn something from Australia, and that the Australian showbags handed out to FIFA people at the under 20 Egypt world cup were the best piece of bidder promotion he had ever seen. What a joke, again.
He's the most corrupt official in FIFA for a reason. He was talking really nice about the England bid right after he successfully blackmailed the English FA into playing a friendly on his island last year (which he made a big profit off of). Seems it's a "what have you done for me lately" approach towards England.
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No entirely true, Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo are all around an hour from melbourne. but I suppose this is irrelavent as none of them are been considered for the World Cup
Outside of the big 5, and a handful of other second cities (Gold Coast, Canberra, Newcastle) which are arguably too small anyway, there is literally nothing else left in Australia. We have a very low population and the population we do have is centered around five major cities or within comfortable driving distance of each.

There is no use in FIFA not allowing flexibility in there rules and denying Australia the right to host just because of the unique nature of our population structure.
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Outside of the big 5, and a handful of other second cities (Gold Coast, Canberra, Newcastle) which are arguably too small anyway, there is literally nothing else left in Australia. We have a very low population and the population we do have is centered around five major cities or within comfortable driving distance of each.

There is no use in FIFA not allowing flexibility in there rules and denying Australia the right to host just because of the unique nature of our population structure.
Exactly, we need them - they don't need us.

Our most attractive feature for FIFA is the Asian tv market - in which case, why bother with us when they can go to Japan or Korea again?
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Or China.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 05:41 AM   #51
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China isn't bidding and Japan/Korea had it in 2002. Even more recent than the USA. Australia is Asia.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 06:34 AM   #52
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China isn't bidding and Japan/Korea had it in 2002. Even more recent than the USA. Australia is Asia.
Mexico 70 to Mexico 86 = 16 years
Japan/Korea 02 to Japan or Korea 22 = 20 years

Exceptional circumstances in both cases, but very possible.

Why go to faux Asia (an extra 6-8 hours travel time for our European friends) with 20 million potential customers, when you can go to the real thing with it's 120 million?

To be absolutely clear - would love it here in Oz, and we'd do a fantastic job (as usual) of playing host, but we have to be realistic when considering our chances.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 08:03 AM   #53
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We've hosted the Olympics twice, and the Comm games 4 times (iirc). If timezones / population was a problem, would we have hosted such events?
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They have nothing on the World Cup. Australians seem to think the Olympics are the biggest sporting event in the world, proves how little so much of us know.
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We've hosted the Olympics twice, and the Comm games 4 times (iirc). If timezones / population was a problem, would we have hosted such events?
Olympics is hectic for 1 city not a whole country thing is that in the olympics only one major city closes for the WC the entire country pretty much closes and you have to try to have the standards expected in your olympic cities across the country. Added to this in the case of Australia the stadium infastructrure outside the 2 olympic hosts and brisbane is lacking.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #56
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They have nothing on the World Cup. Australians seem to think the Olympics are the biggest sporting event in the world, proves how little so much of us know.
oh bullshit.

it is easily Olympics > World Cup Soccer
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If I didnt know you better I would struggle to see the sarcasm in that post.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 06:22 AM   #58
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Olympics promotes, 1 city, 1 region and the country as a whole. Sure the Torch Relay links a country in the townships and cities it passes, providing some city promotion there and there's the preliminary rounds of Football held in regional cities...

...But the World Cup easily promotes 12 cities, multiple regions and the whole country far greater than an Olympics can. With minimal need to upgrade general infrastructure (i.e transport and accommodation), money can be spent on venues etc, which in turn can easily be cheaper on a whole, to host than an Olympics.

Which is why the WC is far more greater a sporting event than an Olympics, though the Olympics and similar multisport events are indeed great.
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it is easily Olympics > World Cup Soccer
That pretty much sums up the general Aussie knowledge of the size of the world cup.
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Also, people watch the buildup to the FIFA World Cup for well over a year beforehand. Is anybody sure how one springboard diver ended up on their TV over another guy? Not likely.
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