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Old September 18th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #581
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The basic difference
750,000 visitors=3.4% of our National population of 22,000,000
750,000 visitors =375% of Qatars National population of 200,000
Thats not a fair comparision, Qataris are Natives, while Australia is an immigrant nation, which means the actual natives "aboriginals" are (according to wikipedia figures) 500,000.

I will answer your other post in the QATAR thread.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #582
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Thats not a fair comparision, Qataris are Natives, while Australia is an immigrant nation, which means the actual natives "aboriginals" are (according to wikipedia figures) 500,000.

I will answer your other post in the QATAR thread.
yes, but citizenship here is not restricted by your race, religion, or where you grew up
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Old September 18th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #583
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Thats not a fair comparision, Qataris are Natives, while Australia is an immigrant nation, which means the actual natives "aboriginals" are (according to wikipedia figures) 500,000.

I will answer your other post in the QATAR thread.
Even the aborigines in Australia out number the real population (i.e citizenship) of Qatar. Lets face it, England , USA, Italy, France etc etc etc are all places which have mixed populations which don't require corrupt sheiks and royal family blow jobs to gain citizenship. What's your point exactly? BTW I don't know what you mean by natives of Qatar, do you mean the current mix between Bahraini's and Persians from Iran, who go under the name of Qataris, because suddenly where they lived found some oil and gas?
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Old September 18th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #584
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If Australia gets World cup 2020 it would be interesting.

But I afraid that stadiums will be empty during the games because Australians don't care about football.

Europe and South America are too far from Australia. Australia's winter can be sometimes cold too.
Nice try. Australia has some of the highest international crowd averages for Soccer in the world. The Australian winter is not cold either, I was able to wear a t-shirt for much of it this year.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 02:41 AM   #585
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Nice try. Australia has some of the highest international crowd averages for Soccer in the world. The Australian winter is not cold either, I was able to wear a t-shirt for much of it this year.
Since the Football Revolution in 2005

Average attendance in Australia for World Cup Qualifiers- 57,195
Average attendance in Australia for International Friendlies -64,653

As for the Australian Winter...not an issue,in fact many places in Australia,an Australian winter is as warm,if not ,warmer then a Euro summer.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 02:49 AM   #586
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Fan walks, tell me about your fan walks! I assume one from Sydney CBD to Sydney Football Stadium....one down Olympic boulevard to Telstra...?

One from Melbourne CBD to MCG?

Show me your fan walks...! Celebration sites..!
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Old September 19th, 2010, 04:17 AM   #587
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Fan walks, tell me about your fan walks! I assume one from Sydney CBD to Sydney Football Stadium....one down Olympic boulevard to Telstra...?

One from Melbourne CBD to MCG?

Show me your fan walks...! Celebration sites..!
There's no doubt the fan walk from the CBD i Melbourne to the MCG will be a great success.Its about the same distance as the fan walk in Cape Town

I'd expect it to go from Federation Square,opposite the central railway station of Flinders Street.
A number of routes are available-the longest being 1.7 kms,although its only 600 metres from the edge of the CBD.
-Via Wellington Parade along Treasury Gardens,Fitzroy Gardens(past Captain Cooks cottage) and thru Yarra Park
-Via Princes Walk,along the Yarra River thru Birrarung Marr(location of one of the Melbourne Fan Fests)and over the Jolimont Railway overpass.
-Via the existing Jolimont Railway Yards which will well and truly be built over by then(interconnecting our brilliant sporting precinct







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Fan walks, tell me about your fan walks! I assume one from Sydney CBD to Sydney Football Stadium....one down Olympic boulevard to Telstra...?

One from Melbourne CBD to MCG?

Show me your fan walks...! Celebration sites..!
Melbourne is really convenient for all of this, and does this for certain occasions.

The three main points are:

1) Federation Square - open public area, had the screens up as a fan site for the 2006 WC games - usually the "start" for any fan walks to the MCG


2) Birrarung Marr - an open parkland on the Yarra River between the CBD and the MCG/Laver Arena - host to the Moomba Festival, many public events, and the 2010 WC fan zone


3) The MCG

If you look at this map from left to right, the first Hawk logo is where Fed Square is, the second Birrarung Marr, and the forth the MCG (the 3rd is Laver Arena



Some of the walks done are:

The Long Walk - just the end of it though (walk in support of reconciliation and against racism of indigenous people - done by Essendon FC and Richmond FC)


Hawthorn FC's Walk to the G (in support of Beyond Blue - a depression charity)


unofficially, a lot of fans gather at Fed Square and walk together to the MCG for things like the Commonwealth Games, AFL finals, WC qualifiers, and the Breast Cancer Awareness Walk On the G. You also get a lot of fans walking from Fed Square with their countrymen for the Australian Open. Recently there was even a walk from Fed Square to AAMI Stadium of fans in support of the Melbourne Storm
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Old September 19th, 2010, 04:58 AM   #589
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Thats not a fair comparision, Qataris are Natives, while Australia is an immigrant nation, which means the actual natives "aboriginals" are (according to wikipedia figures) 500,000.

I will answer your other post in the QATAR thread.
The difference as pointed out is that people in Australia have the right to become Australian citizens,in Qatar this is not possible unless you will win a gold medal at the Olympics or represent the national football team.
I wonder what Ryk Neethling and Roland Schoeman would have been renamed-Mohammed Bin Neethling and Ahmed Al Schoeman perhaps?
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/art...SA-footballers

Its a disgrace

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/art...SA-footballers
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Do you have images of the bridge going over the rail tracks from on the Hawks route. i.e. not the one from the tennis centre but on the Hawks route.
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Do you have images of the bridge going over the rail tracks from on the Hawks route. i.e. not the one from the tennis centre but on the Hawks route.
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By 2022, won't the rail yards be covered in Melbourne?
Certainly would prevent a bottle neck at the bridge.
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By 2022, won't the rail yards be covered in Melbourne?
Certainly would prevent a bottle neck at the bridge.
possibly - its listed as a future project idea, but nothing concrete yet

as for the bottlenecks, it actually gets broken up

you have a lot of people walking down Brunton Avenue (which is the road on the north side of the railway track near the ground (my usual preferred way when coming in from the CBD)

also those coming in by tram can get off at the Laver Arena tram stop, walking across the southern pedestrian bridges to the ground

then you have the two train stations - Jolimont and Richmond - which are to the north and SE of the ground - both just a few hundred metre walk to the G
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The Federation Square East extension plan has been on the cards for a while now and there is no doubt it will be done reasonably soon via a joint commercial venture
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The site for the Perth Stadium still isn't confirmed.

The Red areas are Entertainment precincts. The Red bordered white oval is the stadium site. The East Perth and Burswood sites offer a great opportunity for leisure boats to anchor in the immediate surrounding river (areas circled in blue).

If they go with the Subiaco Site (which they originally were going to do)
It's a 2km walk from the GPO. The walk could either go along Wellington St (the top one of the long thicker lines) or Hay St (the one below). The Northern precinct is Leederville ("Boktown" during the 2003 Rugby World Cup). The Stadium site itself is within the Subiaco district with plenty of cafes and bars.



The East Perth Site is a fantastic innermix zone and continues to be regenerated after 20 years. This site has the Stadium directly connected to the Old Art Deco East Perth power station which would hold bars etc. By 2022 East Perth will be as dynamic in entertainment infrastructure as Subiaco. I imagine a walk would come along Wellington Street to Wellington Square which would hold a fanfest then less than a 1km to the Stadium. Another walk could be from the Esplanade and Langley Park on the River which would be another logical spot for a fan fest. They would walk north along Plain St to the Stadium.



The Burswood Site is marked for mass development for the next 20 years. The Fan Walk to this site would be longer from the centre of the City (around 3km). A pedestrian bridge is going to be build across the river (east/west) near the WACA ground and the Trotting track. It is very close to the Burswood resort and Entertainment Complex with bars and Casino. The said complex is about to go though a massive developemnt into a town site / extended tourist precinct. A river walk would be fantastic aswell with temporary fan set ups all along the 2km stretch of the City.

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Unfortunately I don't think there are any good routes for a fan walk through Sydney. This is the area for the SFS - thats the southern tip of the cbd, top left.


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The red route would seem the most obvious but those arent very pedestrian friendly routes from memory, unless they close the roads (unlikely, imo, theyre pretty busy). Also theyres a few pubs along that route but not much else to see I think.
The blue route is the walk from central station, and would be easier to close to traffic, but again theres nothing to see, just quiet streets.

There are plans to eventually close off the main street through the city for pedestrians and trams only, so a more ambitious walk could go all the way from circular quay (with the bridge and opera house) through the city to connect with either red or blue route. But thats a hell of a walk, and theres no guarantee those plans will go ahead before 2022, or at all.

But fan sites we can do pretty well. The darling harbour fan fest was a success, people were even turning up from other cities to be there.

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There's also space available around the harbour, in circular quay, the barangaroo precinct which would almost be done by then I think. And olympic park obviously.
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Is it good MCG to host semi final.! Many european fan's don't want to see far from the pitch.
2 rectangular stadium in australia .. stadium australia and brisbane stadium etc.

Ur country need to build 2-3 new rectangular's stadium for semi final. South Africa built 3 new rectangular stadium's in capetown, durban, Port Elizebeth.

2022 is 12 years away. why not new stadium's.? I don't think australia deserves host 2022 world cup.

Japan and USA are darkhorse.

This is completely wrong - 7/12 of our bid's stadiums are rectangular. See here. But this is the wrong thread, bring it up on the australian thread if you want.
USA is not the dark horse, its probably the favourite as far as I can tell.


one brisbane 50,000-55,000 seaters capacity, stadium australia 80,000 - right to host final

5 rectangular - all are 40,000 - 45,000 capacity.

I m talking 55,000 - 60,000 capacity rectangular stadium's in your country for semi final matches. MCG isn't rectangular.

new perth stadium - Oval field.

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Yes, half the route in Cape Town was a road that was closed and the other half was pedestrianized from the train station to the road closure.

This portion was Somerset Road.



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http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA20...iorGerArg.aspx

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I m talking 55,000 - 60,000 capacity rectangular stadium's in your country for semi final matches. MCG isn't rectangular.

new perth stadium - Oval field.
Thats not actually what you said, but yes, semi finals are a different story. The brisbane stadium will not to my knowledge be used for semi finals, only quarters.

The perth stadium as I understand can be configured as either rectangular or oval, same as stadium australia.
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