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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:34 PM   #1341
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 04:10 PM   #1342
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It's a very flexible space. Remember up 250 000 people saw Crowded House play there in 1996.
How big is that space? If you allowed 4 people per square metre (which would be very packed, probably dangerously so) you'd need 62,500 sqm of space to fit that many people in.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 04:15 PM   #1343
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"You can say we've been to Asia for the World Cup but Australia is something very special because it is quite a continent in itself. I think it would be a wonderful achievement if this can happen."

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Old November 22nd, 2010, 07:59 PM   #1344
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where their team has achieved nothing in world football.
Totally IGNORANT reply, as always...

1. At the 2009 Confederations Cup in South Africa -- that's the test event the year before a regular World Cup in case you didn't KNOW, MystressMike -- the US team beat eventual WC champ Spain in the semis, and went on to play the finals vs. Brazil.

And where was the Oz team? AT HOME!!

Really stupid. Also, the MLS league is the FASTEST growing soccer league in world history...jumping to 16 ACTIVE teams to date since its inception in 1995...so THAT's about one NEW CLUB each year...in case you can't compute...with an additional THREE teams waiting in the wings!! DUH!!

Yeah, in a country of 25 million, you probably have 2 sports of consequence. In one of 310 million, we CAN HAVE 5-6 MAJOR SPORTS!! But I guess you wouldn't know how that's possible.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:03 PM   #1345
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And his reply was ignorant?

Congratulations with the MLS, though. 16 teams in 15 years! However, Australia's A-League has 11 teams and was founded only 6 years ago (12th team next year).

MSL = 16 teams = 1 team per every 21.562 million people
A-League = 11 teams = 1 team per every 2.045 million people

Oh, and 2 major sports? Please.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:16 PM   #1346
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MSL = 16 teams = 1 team per every 21.562 million people
A-League = 11 teams = 1 team per every 2.045 million people
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Precisely. How many tickets, and team T-shirts, iPhones and tsotchkes, etc., can 2.045 million people buy vs. 21.562 million people per team? (And that'll actually be 19 teams next year INCLUDING TWO Canadian clubs!!)

In the LARGER PICTURE, you're still ONLY a 25-million market vs. a 310-million market + 93 million from Mexico (which is an adjoining land mass...not the phony 'counting China + India + Japan populations' (which are several THOUSAND MILES AWAY) stats that some of you are BRUITING ABOUT! Not to mention that the Latino culture is already embedded into the Sunbelt USA lifestyle...so it's NOT like a whole new Latino marketing campaign has to be added...which of course, is NOT the cause with Anglo Australia.

How many PCs, bottles of beer, and T-shirts, sneakers and flat-screen TVs can 25 million vs. a 310/400 million market BUY??

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Old November 22nd, 2010, 10:08 PM   #1347
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Also, the MLS league is the FASTEST growing soccer league in world history...jumping to 16 ACTIVE teams to date since its inception in 1995...so THAT's about one NEW CLUB each year...in case you can't compute...with an additional THREE teams waiting in the wings!! DUH!!
fastest growing in world history?

The football league in England has 36 clubs when it was 15 years old.

The J-League in Japan has grown from 20 to 34 teams in just two years longer.

I don't suspect they are isolated cases either.


And unless MLS started in 1995 with just 1 team, it's not growth of about one new club a year either.


By the way, your league isn't called "The MLS"


Other than that, you were more or less spot on.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 10:54 PM   #1348
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Precisely. How many tickets, and team T-shirts, iPhones and tsotchkes, etc., can 2.045 million people buy vs. 21.562 million people per team? (And that'll actually be 19 teams next year INCLUDING TWO Canadian clubs!!)

In the LARGER PICTURE, you're still ONLY a 25-million market vs. a 310-million market + 93 million from Mexico (which is an adjoining land mass...not the phony 'counting China + India + Japan populations' (which are several THOUSAND MILES AWAY) stats that some of you are BRUITING ABOUT! Not to mention that the Latino culture is already embedded into the Sunbelt USA lifestyle...so it's NOT like a whole new Latino marketing campaign has to be added...which of course, is NOT the cause with Anglo Australia.

How many PCs, bottles of beer, and T-shirts, sneakers and flat-screen TVs can 25 million vs. a 310/400 million market BUY??
Take it easy.
Besides, who in the world watches the A-League? At least, the MLS has some popularity abroad. In Latin America and especially in Mexico, the MLS has an important number of followers.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 10:59 PM   #1349
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Oz 2022 would very likely mean USA 2026, which would mean no U&A 2030. Not that you're at all transparent in your posts.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:05 PM   #1350
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Take it easy.
Besides, who in the world watches the A-League? At least, the MLS has some popularity abroad. In Latin America and especially in Mexico, the MLS has an important number of followers.
Who watches the A-League? I don't know... maybe Australians... you know; the sport's target market...
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:33 PM   #1351
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Totally IGNORANT reply, as always...

1. At the 2009 Confederations Cup in South Africa -- that's the test event the year before a regular World Cup in case you didn't KNOW, MystressMike -- the US team beat eventual WC champ Spain in the semis, and went on to play the finals vs. Brazil.

And where was the Oz team? AT HOME!!
You know Australia has made the Confederations Cup final as well..... I don't see your point.

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Take it easy.
Besides, who in the world watches the A-League? At least, the MLS has some popularity abroad. In Latin America and especially in Mexico, the MLS has an important number of followers.
The A-League has a following in East Asia. Again, I don't see the point of this post.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:36 PM   #1352
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It's also shown in Hong Kong, Canada, NZ, USA, and the UK. Not necessarily a large following, but the league is still televised internationally nonetheless.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:43 PM   #1353
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The A-League has a following in East Asia. Again, I don't see the point of this post.
And with what rating?. Come on!.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:45 PM   #1354
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How big a rating did the South African league have? Mo's told me that even within South Africa most people don't bother with it, instead watching English football.

Australia has a good enough pedigree in the game to host, certainly when compared with its rivals, none of whom are a Brazil or a Germany in their acheivements. USA and Australia are relatively comparable, Japan and Korea are too soon so the question becomes a moot point, and Qatar is miles behind all of them.
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And with what rating?. Come on!.
Do you think the MLS would be a ratings bonanza anywhere outside the US? Why are we even discussing this anyway? It's a non issue.
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Do you think the MLS would be a ratings bonanza anywhere outside the US?.
Surely, it has more rating that the A-League.
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Really now? Sorry, I clearly haven't been told enough times how much bigger the population of the US and surrounding nations are when compared to Australia. Enlighten me.
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Surely, it has more rating that the A-League.
The MLS is funded by the World Cup in 1994, Australia has no such luxury for their league, infact they go and try develop their Oceania/Asian regional football instead of spending money on their clubs. This is in stark contrast to the me me me philosophy of the USSF.
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Totally IGNORANT reply, as always...

1. At the 2009 Confederations Cup in South Africa -- that's the test event the year before a regular World Cup in case you didn't KNOW, MystressMike -- the US team beat eventual WC champ Spain in the semis, and went on to play the finals vs. Brazil.

And where was the Oz team? AT HOME!!

Really stupid. Also, the MLS league is the FASTEST growing soccer league in world history...jumping to 16 ACTIVE teams to date since its inception in 1995...so THAT's about one NEW CLUB each year...in case you can't compute...with an additional THREE teams waiting in the wings!! DUH!!

Yeah, in a country of 25 million, you probably have 2 sports of consequence. In one of 310 million, we CAN HAVE 5-6 MAJOR SPORTS!! But I guess you wouldn't know how that's possible.
No one cares about the MLS, I tried watching games of it and I can't concentrate with stupid grid iron lines, not even the US cares about the MLS let alone the rest of the world, the MLS crowds average is about 15/16k after all this time, Australia managed that level of crowd average two seasons ago but they lack marketing dollars because their FA haven't hosted a world cup. The MLS didn't even exist before the US were given the rights to host the world cup, learn some history. The MLS is completely funded by the 1994 World Cup earnings. Australia already has their own professional league who are obviously doing a great job because the A-league clubs can already compete with even EPL clubs such as Everton or even beat clubs such as Boca Juniors from Argentina. Their clubs such as Adelaide United have even made it to the final of the AFC Champions league and the club world championship. Australia has already made the confederations cup final against Brazil as well, so what's your point? You know nothing about football or the world that is what's evident about your posts. Australia has a far more dedicated sports following than the US could ever dream of, football will always be a minnow sport in the US and multiple world cup hosts have the sport as number 1 or their national team has won the world cup etc etc. The US have none of that, that is why the US doesn't deserve to host the world cup multiple times for a long long time. It would be a disgrace to nations such as Argentina, Spain, England etc etc. Australia is a first time host and they have earned their chance with hard work, dedication and skill. They deserve to host and that is the ultimate FACT. Tough luck, move on.

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TV problem for Aussie bid

18 November 2010-AAP


The expected substantial loss of revenue from Europe and the Americas seems to be the major stumbling block for Australia as it looks to host the 2022 World Cup.

Football's world governing body FIFA released its evaluation reports on the nine bidders for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups on Wednesday.

It found a number of positives for Australia including having a technically sound bid, strong support and an opportunity to bring the tournament to the region for the first time.

But the bugbear appears to be how having Australia as a host impacts upon television revenues.

The report indicated it was certainly an issue.

"Should the FIFA World Cup be hosted in Australia, there is a risk of a reduction in TV income and, as a result, commercial revenue from Europe and the Americas," the executive summary on Australia pointed out.

"The income from Asia/Oceania would need to be increased substantially to offset the likelihood of loss of revenue in Europe."

FIFA gets about 95 per cent of its income from the tournament.

The winning bidders for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments will be announced on December 2 in Zurich.

Football Federation Australia boss Ben Buckley played down that element in a statement, saying the massive projected growth in the Asian region would more than offset any reduced revenue from Europe.

"Asia's middle class is growing rapidly and by 2022 there will be more middle class consumers in Asia than there will be in Europe and North America combined," Buckley said.

"This will greatly increase the value of television rights in Asia, allowing FIFA the opportunity to more than recoup any potential reduction in income derived from Europe or the Americas.

"Australia offers the opportunity to hold the World Cup in prime time for a region that will be home to three quarters of the world's population in 2022.

Other positives for Australia in the report were transport infrastructure, communications, security and a track record of hosting major events.

Negatives also included actual transport logistics given the size of Australia and as yet not meeting the required number of venue-specific team hotels.



Source: http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/austr...or-Aussie-bid#
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