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Old December 9th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #121
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The rival bid of Australia is now likely to apply to Fifa for a special exemption allowing its rugby union, rugby league and Aussie Rules leagues to continue during any potential World Cup in an effort to head off an escalating row with the bigger and better-funded codes. Other forms of football are banned during the tournament under Fifa rules but while happy to allow the bid access to the largest grounds in the country, they are reluctant to completely shut up shop for eight weeks during their winter season – with obvious commercial implications – to accommodate a sport that is usually played during the summer.
Not going to happen.
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I saw the australian video for the WC and I think Australia could play emotion, hearts, spirits, natural beauties of the countries and the fact WC has not been hosted in Oceania against big bids such as the US, England and Spain/Portugal.
However, the weakness is about technical bid, problemes with other federations and stadiums. Without a solid technical bid, Australia can not win easily agaisnt other bids.
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Old December 9th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #123
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I don't think the Australian bid will be competing with England and Spain/Portugal…

Although it is possible that 2018 and 2022 go to Asia and North America and Europe will have to wait until at least 2026 this scenario seems very unlikely to me.

Assuming that one of the editions will be held in Europe there are two rivalries going on: one between the four European candidates and one between the remaining North American and Asian (including Australia) candidates. I think Australia has some realistic chances to host the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 although FIFA could also choose to go back to the US again.

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Raising the roof on Australia's World Cup chances

* By Phil Rothfield
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* December 10, 2009 3:02AM









THIS is the $150 million makeover that could knock out Melbourne and ensure Sydney wins the fight to be Australia's nominated host for soccer's World Cup final.
The artist's impression shows how ANZ Stadium would be transformed into a rectangular venue for soccer's showpiece, with a roof over the stadium and an extra 7000 seats, increasing the ground's capacity to 90,000.
The high-tech, retractable and transparent roof, the first of its kind in the southern hemisphere, would protect fans from the elements and let natural light filter through, The Daily Telegraph reports.


Moveable northern and southern grandstand tiers would bring fans behind the goals up closer to the action, instead of being seated in the existing curved ends that are required for oval sports.
At rugby league events, fans are currently seated 23m from the dead-ball line.
With the revamp, spectators at each end would be only 5m from the line.
It is understood the revolutionary pivoting tiers technology would allow the end grandstands to retract for AFL and cricket.
The draft master plan developed for the 10-year-old stadium aims to create a better atmosphere for fans, improve player facilities and give regular tenants - league, union, AFL and cricket - more corporate and commercial opportunities.
The benefits for soccer's rival codes, which have been critical of the effect the World Cup will have on their regular seasons, are essential to win support.
"The big play here is an evolution of ANZ Stadium as a multi-purpose major event venue for grand finals, Origins, Bledisloe Cups, international cricket and rock concerts," said a source close to the project.
"But the revamp must also deliver a true rectangle like the world's best football stadiums if Sydney wants to host the World Cup final.
"We won't get it with a venue that hasn't changed much since the Olympics because FIFA will want a stadium that's a monument for the world game and even bigger than the Olympics. This makeover will deliver that.
"It will knock Melbourne out."
The Daily Telegraph understands that FIFA would be reluctant to stage its showpiece game at the MCG, a specialist cricket and AFL ground that cannot easily be made into a rectangular venue.
The final plan and architect designs will be presented to NSW Government officials and the FFA bid team that is chasing the rights to the 2018 or 2022 World Cup.
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one door closes just as another opens!!!
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Looks great. And I can't believe Phil Rothfield wrote that, he's one of the most anti-football journos out there....
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This is what Perth needs, but obviously a bit smaller.
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Raising the roof on Australia's World Cup chances

* By Phil Rothfield
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* December 10, 2009 3:02AM









THIS is the $150 million makeover that could knock out Melbourne and ensure Sydney wins the fight to be Australia's nominated host for soccer's World Cup final.
The artist's impression shows how ANZ Stadium would be transformed into a rectangular venue for soccer's showpiece, with a roof over the stadium and an extra 7000 seats, increasing the ground's capacity to 90,000.
The high-tech, retractable and transparent roof, the first of its kind in the southern hemisphere, would protect fans from the elements and let natural light filter through, The Daily Telegraph reports.


Moveable northern and southern grandstand tiers would bring fans behind the goals up closer to the action, instead of being seated in the existing curved ends that are required for oval sports.
At rugby league events, fans are currently seated 23m from the dead-ball line.
With the revamp, spectators at each end would be only 5m from the line.
It is understood the revolutionary pivoting tiers technology would allow the end grandstands to retract for AFL and cricket.
The draft master plan developed for the 10-year-old stadium aims to create a better atmosphere for fans, improve player facilities and give regular tenants - league, union, AFL and cricket - more corporate and commercial opportunities.
The benefits for soccer's rival codes, which have been critical of the effect the World Cup will have on their regular seasons, are essential to win support.
"The big play here is an evolution of ANZ Stadium as a multi-purpose major event venue for grand finals, Origins, Bledisloe Cups, international cricket and rock concerts," said a source close to the project.
"But the revamp must also deliver a true rectangle like the world's best football stadiums if Sydney wants to host the World Cup final.
"We won't get it with a venue that hasn't changed much since the Olympics because FIFA will want a stadium that's a monument for the world game and even bigger than the Olympics. This makeover will deliver that.
"It will knock Melbourne out."
The Daily Telegraph understands that FIFA would be reluctant to stage its showpiece game at the MCG, a specialist cricket and AFL ground that cannot easily be made into a rectangular venue.
The final plan and architect designs will be presented to NSW Government officials and the FFA bid team that is chasing the rights to the 2018 or 2022 World Cup.
My god, besides the roof that is exactly what i was thinking for ANZ stadium after reading about swinging tiers in the Stadium WA proposal. ANZ really needs this regardless of WC, it would certainly take away the current excuses of many Sydney fans.
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Old December 10th, 2009, 05:48 AM   #130
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lol as a melbournian i would be ******* ropeable if sydney got it. If we hadn't of hosted the crappy commonwealth games the mcg would be due for an upgrade now and it would have been easier to accommodate fifa requirements...Com games were such bullshit
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^ Why does Melbourne deserve to host the Final of a successful bid over Sydney?
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More Bullshit from the most tight arsed State in the Country.

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MARK DUFFIELD, ANALYIS, The West Australian December 9, 2009, 1:36 pm

Colin Barnett appears to be pointing WA towards the WA Football Commission's two-stage, $450 million blueprint that will see Subiaco Oval rebuilt to hold 55,000 people.

It is clearly the best of three stadium plans the WAFC has so far pitched to the WA Government.

The plan involves a three tier grandstand horseshoeing around the arena, stretching clockwise from the spot the existing stands touch Roberts Road at the western end, to where they touch it at the eastern end.

But Roberts Road remains the sting in the tail of the current Subiaco Oval site. The Premier either hasn't noticed, refuses to acknowledge it or remains in denial.

Roberts Road and the geographical constriction it places on the site is the very reason the Langoulant major stadium task force recommended Kitchener Park as the best spot for its 60,000 seat multi-purpose stadium in the first place.

And the cost of that stadium appears to be another issue that the premier is struggling to come to terms with. There he was again today costing the 60,000-seater at over $1 billion. Yet the stadium itself, as opposed to the stadium project, has repeatedly been costed at around $700 million.

The Premier and Sports Minister Terry Waldron were told at a recent meeting with the Football Federation of Australia that soccer’s quantity surveyors had costed the multipurpose stadium at $685 million.

The Premier, when he compares stadium projects, has a bad habit of comparing apples with apple pie.

It’s an important point to make because if the $200 million-plus of associated infrastructure, which the task force's report concluded was necessary to successfully accommodate 60,000 people, it is probably also necessary to accommodate 55,000 people.

And if it is not necessary, the premier should take it out of the equation.

The capacity of the WAFC proposal is also an issue. West Coast chairman Mark Barnaba said last week that WA would need a 55,000 seat stadium in eight years to maintain the status quo. Unfortunately the status quo already has 10,000 West Coast fans who can't get into the ground because of limited capacity.

World Cup guidelines stipulate that stadiums must have a 60,000 seat capacity to host knockout stage matches of the tournament and getting to 60,000 brings us back to Roberts Road.

The road would have to be re-routed, and a significant chunk of prime real estate on the southern side – people’s homes – purchased for the WAFC plan to achieve a 60,000 capacity.

The WAFC steered clear of the issue because reclaiming homes takes time and costs money. They wanted the project to start quickly and they wanted money spent on new grandstands, not houses.

But it is a "complete" rebuild of Subiaco that the Premier is advocating, and it is in completing the rebuild that the real cost will emerge.

Little wonder that the Premier once admitted his preferred rebuild would "probably" cost more. Some wonder, though, how he continues to struggle to get the cost of the other stadium proposal in front of him right.
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ROBERT TAYLOR STATE POLITICAL EDITOR, The West Australian
December 10, 2009, 2:25 am

Colin Barnett was under attack from all sides yesterday after declaring the Government would progressively rebuild Subiaco Oval rather than produce a new stadium.
He said WA could not afford a new stadium but needed to have an arena ready if Australia won its bid for the 2018 or 2022 soccer World Cup.

"The previous government promoted the idea of building an entirely new stadium on a new site, (for) over $1 billion," Mr Barnett said.

"Western Australia just simply can't afford that ... no State can afford that. What we might be able to afford is to progressively rebuild a new stadium on the Subiaco site."

He said WA was committed to having a "FIFA compliant stadium" as part of Australia's bid for the World Cup, which would mean rebuilding Subiaco to seat 50,000 to 60,000 fans.

But the man who headed the previous government's stadium task force, former State under-treasurer John Langoulant, said the Premier was just plain wrong and had been "under-briefed" about the cost of a new stadium and what could be achieved with a rebuilt Subiaco.

He said proponents of rebuilding Subiaco had never solved the problem of realignment and buying properties on Roberts Road to the south.

"It clearly is cheaper to build a new stadium because you avoid all the difficulties of Roberts Road," Mr Langoulant said. "The plans I've seen for a progressive rebuild of Subiaco don't even get close to dealing with that."

The task force recommended a new stadium at Kitchener Park to the north costed at $670 million, not the $1 billion Mr Barnett claimed.

"You won't find $1 billion in the task force report," he said. "That figure came about because Alan Carpenter decided that rather than build it now he'd build it in 2016." The WA Football Commission is expected to present a plan in the new year to rebuild Subiaco Oval.

Chief executive Wayne Bradshaw said Mr Barnett had a consistent view on the issue and the WAFC was confident the upgrade would go ahead.

"Our understanding is that it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when and what. We are going to keep trying to bring forward the when," he said.

But Mr Langoulant said the WAFC proposal would produce a lopsided, one-dimensional stadium.

"It's got all the crowd on the northern side of the stand, it doesn't go close to revealing what the final cost will be, it doesn't provide for moveable seats to make it truly a multi-purpose stadium and yet it is represented as having all those things," he said.

Shadow sport minister Ken Travers said Mr Barnett did not have the backing of detailed research or planning for his preferred position.

Labor used an expert panel to explore the best option and it decided on a new stadium. If this was the cheapest long-term option, why not do that, Mr Travers said.

A spokesman for Sport and Recreation Minister Terry Waldron seemed to contradict Mr Barnett, saying a new stadium had not been ruled in or out. Mr Waldron was still considering all options from all stakeholders.
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ROBERT TAYLOR Comment, The West Australian December 10, 2009, 2:23 am

The Thought Bubble Premier was at it again yesterday, against all the available advice floating his preference to rebuild Subiaco Oval progressively rather than start from scratch on a new site.

Mr Barnett claims that the State can't afford to build a new football stadium on a greenfield site but concedes that something has to be done because Subiaco isn't up to scratch.

That's exactly why the previous Labor government commissioned John Langoulant and a panel of eminently qualified people to investigate the best option for a replacement. That panel examined all the relevant issues and came up with a new multi-purpose stadium on Kitchener Park at a cost of about $670 million, not the $1 billion Mr Barnett keeps quoting.
If the aim now is to have a new facility in place for an Australian soccer World Cup in 2022, that gives WA State governments 12 years or three full terms to get it built.

That is surely not beyond a State as prosperous as this one.
But Mr Barnett's preference is for a demonstrably flawed concept, a bit like the canal. You've got to wonder why.

First of all, the Premier hates anything the previous two Labor administrations put in place and tends to run at speed in the opposite direction even if they make perfect sense.
Hence, he threw out a perfectly sound tender process for the Oakajee Port and Rail development north of Geraldton in order to commit $800 million of taxpayers' money to a project which previously was funded entirely by the private sector.

He scrapped Alan Carpenter's admittedly grandiose plans for the Perth waterfront development and is set to announce yet another concept for the city's doorstep, and in the meantime he promoted the Northbridge Link ahead of it.
So it's hardly surprising that he rejects the findings of the Langoulant task force, particularly since the animosity between the two men is well known.

But remove the personalities and vested interests of the WA Football Commission and any rational examination of the stadium issue leads to the same conclusion that the task force arrived at.
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December 10, 2009 - 9:44AM

Premier Colin Barnett is dreaming if he thinks rebuilding Subiaco Oval is cheaper than a new stadium, respected Perth business and sports figure John Langoulant says.

His comments follow Mr Barnett's pledge yesterday that WA would get a new stadium on the site of Subiaco Oval should Australia be successful in its soccer World Cup bid.

The new stadium, which would be a "progressive rebuild" of Subiaco rather than a brand new stadium, would cost more than the $450 million expected for a rebuild of Adelaide Oval, but less than the "$1 billion" figure Mr Barnett said was required for a new stadium.

Mr Langoulant chaired the former Labor Government's stadium taskforce, which recommended a new stadium at the adjacent Kitchener Park over a staged rebuild of the existing Subiaco Oval.

He called into question the Premier's maths skills after telling Radio 6PR's Simon Beaumont that the Kitchener Park proposal was costed at $680 million.

"I don't know who's briefing the Premier," Mr Langoulant said.

"To rebuild the stadium will cost you more (than the cost of a new stadium)."

Mr Langoulant said any rebuild of Subiaco would be well in excess of $1 billion.

"We won't get a world class stadium by rebuilding Subiaco," he said.

"It's just not possible because of all the difficulties of Roberts Road. It acts as basically the defining limit of the stadium."

The road, which borders the southern side of the stadium, would have to be moved if the existing facility was to be expanded properly, Mr Langoulant said.

"We've got to talk also about the inconvenience factors of rebuilding the stadium."

The Kitchener Park proposal was for a multi-purpose stadium, which would have also accommodated the "rectangular" sports such as soccer, rugby union and rugby league, and allowed for a capacity for those sports of about 45,000.

The upgrade of ME Bank stadium that is now underway allows for a capacity of about 20,500, while Mr Barnett said yesterday he would like to see a facility similar to Skilled Stadium on the Gold Coast, which has seating for about 27,000.

But Mr Langoulant said knockers of the Kitchener Park proposal just wanted to preserve Subiaco for AFL. Multi-purpose grounds, such as Sydney's Olympic Stadium, "worked well".
I really don't know what the Premier knows but writing to him or the Sports minister is a waste of time as they just they only give "copy and paste" reponses. There is obviously a close relationship between the Government and the Western Australian Football Commission (WAFC) else I fail to understand their logic. The WAFC want to keep their lease of the Subiaco land which they pay a next to nothing for. What I don't understand is why the WAFC are happy for a long staged rebuild to something that will be aesthetically appalling and will significantly reduce capacity for over 2 to 3 years. It is know and stated by all sides that Perth needs at least a 55000 seat stadium just to keep up with current support. The West Coast Eagles have to cap their membership and have 10000 on the waiting list. Why in the world would they be happy to see subi reduced to 30 000 and in the process, lose revenue and alienate fans, they're hard enough to see at the moment as it is.

Also the FFA has been dangling a Semi Final carrot to Perth since the launch of the bid. The Government just seems to completely ignore it, they give no indication that anything built needs to be over 60 000 seat. As for movable seating in the WAFC's plan for a stage rebuild, I'll believe it when I see it. Again wouldn't the whole reconstruction of the ground tier reduce capacity for the AFL further, this could see West Coast and Fremantle go from AFL financial powerhouses to trainwrecks. It's as if the Government refuse to understand that Perth can't do a harmonious rebuild like Melbourne where the MCG reduced capacity varied between a more than managable 68000 to 72000. Subiaco Oval is too small as it is, so are they gonna disregart 13 000 members each from West Coast and Freo. It's just a mess.

Lastly, what ever is built will have a design life for what 30/40 years. By that time Perth will be the size of Melbourne is now. Melbourne has one 100 000 seater, a 56000 seater, an new 31000 seat rugby/soccer stadium and is talking about a new 29000 seat AFL ground north of Etihad in the E gate.
All our government can think of is a rebuild on a lameduck site that won't necessarilly seat 60 000.

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^ Why does Melbourne deserve to host the Final of a successful bid over Sydney?
They don't. Especially if Melbourne is not going to have a rectangular stadium for the cup should we get it.
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^ Why does Melbourne deserve to host the Final of a successful bid over Sydney?
Infrastructure wise i think the mcg is not as good as what sydney has to offer

Despite the fact that sydney did a great job with the olympics melbourne is more of a sporting and events city then sydney is.

Melbourne has a large soccer base due to there being ethnic immigrants. If you look at the crowds in the A-league Melbourne far and away have the biggest attendance figures.
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I'll bet a few million Sydney will get the two match venues and host the final.
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I'll bet a few million Sydney will get the two match venues and host the final.
That would be a bit unfair towards Sydney though..? Would be a very 'Sydney centered' World Cup in the eyes of Victorians, especially if Parramatta also gets to host a few games.
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THE NRL is headed for a showdown with Football Federation Australia over fears the game's showcase State of Origin series could be ruined under current proposals for the 2018 World Cup bid.

NRL chief David Gallop yesterday expressed concern about the impact Australia's bid for the World Cup could have on rugby league, vowing his code "won't disappear off the face of the earth" to accommodate the round-ball game.

Gallop, who will meet with FFA boss Ben Buckley on Friday to discuss how the bid will affect the NRL, said soccer's proposal that the Origin series be played over three weeks was not feasible.

"We don't want to try to block the bid but we do have concerns that we think are legitimate," Gallop said.

"I'll be meeting with FFA later this week and hopefully they can shed some light on what has really been proposed. We just can't disappear off the face of the earth. There is one proposal that we play State of Origin over a three-week period. Clearly, that would be very difficult."

Gallop's comments come a day after an extraordinary outburst by his Australian rules counterpart Andrew Demetriou, who claimed that an entire AFL season may have to be scrapped if Australia wins the World Cup because of the need to re-design the MCG.

Buckley played down that assertion yesterday, saying such hysterical comments could hurt Australia's bid to attract an event that competes with the Olympics as the biggest sporting show on earth.

But the soccer supremo did admit that World Cup venues would be off-limits to other sports for a period of time and that those sports would need to find alternative venues to conduct their competitions.

Buckley said he did not expectother codes would be prevented from continuing their regular seasons if Australia was successful with its bid.

"We'll discuss with FIFA the possibility of continuing the competitions and we would expect that there are precedents that would say those competitions can continue to occur during the World Cup," Buckley said.

"What we have to be mindful of is that they won't be played at the World Cup venues and that means, of course, we have to find alternative venues."

Demetriou said if FIFA could claim exclusive access to the MCG for four months, it would be impossible to schedule a viable AFL season.

Buckley said he understood Demetriou was protective of his sport.

"We certainly understand there is a competitive element, but we think the World Cup is bigger than any individual sport," Buckley said.

"We think everyone understands that. It's a matter of just working together, working constructively and finding solutions.

"The administrators of any sport will be making sure that their interests are protected and that they are not disadvantaged by the impact of a major event. I can understand the concern but we have communicated all the information that we have and we'll work through the issues with them."

Australia's bid book for hosting either the 2018 or 2022 World Cup has to be submitted by May.

Buckley said many of the AFL's fears were unfounded.

"We've never asked the AFL to shut down their season for the entire season," he said.

"We've never proposed it or discussed it and it would be impractical. The report regarding the MCG does look at rectangularisation of the lower bowl but it is at a very, very significant cost and a very big impact and it's not something we are actively pursuing.

"I think the MCG in its current configuration is a world-class venue. We certainly think that, in its current form, it is going to be part of the bid."

Victorian Premier John Brumby said he was confident Australia could host both a World Cup and a successful AFL season.

"(The World Cup) has around three times the number of viewers of an Olympic Games and so it's something that would really put Australia on the map," he said.

New NSW Premier Kristina Keneally said that should Australia win a World Cup, Sydney would like to host the final.

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Requlation of Entertainment

The Host City shall ensure that:
6.15.1. no other substantial sporting event, other than the Competition, is
staged in the Host City for a period starting seven (7) days prior to the
commencement of the Competition and ending seven (7) days after the
end of the Competition;

6.15.2. it shall devote no greater resources to the promotion of another
substantial sporting event staged in the Host City around the period of
the Competition than it does to the promotion of the Competition; and

6.15.3. no other substantial cultural events (such as music concerts) which draw
together large numbers of people, other than concerts or FIFA-approved
cultural events organised in connection with the Competition shall be
organised or staged within a period commencing one (1) day prior to a
Match day in the Host City and ending one (1) day after a Match day in
the Host City.
Mo Rush,
How did your local Rugby Union deal with this?
Did they just throw up their hands and say"We will get better stadiums" or did they seek some compensation?
Or did it effect them at all?
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The State of Origin is just 3 games.Im sure they can work that one out outside the 6 weeks that FIFA require.
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