Plan for East Asian Block similar to EU

[Celebriton]

Taken from: http://internasional.kompas.com/read...lok.asia.timur

And translate it using Google translator:

China Ready to Discuss Formation of East Asian bloc
Thursday, October 22, 2009 | 14:37 pm

BEIJING, KOMPAS.com - China expressed readiness to discuss the concept of East Asian societies, the EU model, with other countries before a regional summit in Thailand this weekend.

"China is a positive and open to the formation of the East Asian community and we are ready to discuss with the parties the relevant how to form East Asian community," said Assistant Foreign Minister Hu Zhengyue to reporters, Thursday (22/10).

"We believe that to establish the East Asian community is the future direction to improve the cooperation of East Asia, that trend," he said.

Prime Minister of Japan's new, Yukio Hatoyama, said the President of China Hu Jintao last month that he intended to push the vision of the East Asian community to unify the region, perhaps with a single currency.

Assistant secretary of state was added, the topic may be discussed at the summit Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) which will come, which will begin in Thailand, Friday (23/10).

10th summit ASEAN members will be followed also by the leaders of partner countries such as Australia, China, India, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea. Prime Minister of China Wen Jabao will be present at the meeting. Wen will be accompanied by Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, Minister of Finance Xie Xuren and Commerce Minister Chen Deming.

Chen and his partner from Japan and South Korea will meet in Thailand during a meeting to discuss free trade agreements are potentially three parties.

ASEAN members Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, and Vietnam Thaland.

The members will include ASEAN, China, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ and may be India. Do you think Taiwan, Mongolia and North Korea should join too?

[harisshahid]

In my opinion, only Block of East Asian Countries will not be viable. This block should form on whole Asia level with the name of "Asian Union".

We all still remember the Georgian War. In this war Russia had sent a very strong message to the US and the West that "Don't mess with us". Georgian War has become a threat for the influence of the US in the region. In Asia there are 02 powers and those are China & Russia.

China over the years has established itself as a strong military and economic power and is openly challenging the West and US through its progress. Through its remarkable diplomacy this country has been able to influence other countries without threating them. China is already playing a vital role in North Korean Nuclear talks. It can also play an important part in the settlement of North-South Korea dispute thus minimizing the US factor.

On the other hand, Russia has emerged as a stable power. It has shown maturity in several years. This country is enjoying good relations with almost all the countries of the region, which includes, Middle East, Persian Gulf etc. Through this context it can play an important role in Palestine-Israel dispute and also in Iran nuclear talks. By doing this Russia can be able to minimize the US influence within the region. Moreover both Russia and China have strong ties with two most important countries of the region and those are Pakistan and India, thus can play an important role to solve the Kashmir issue.

Beside this, Asia is one of the most thickly populated and enriched region. This region has cheap labour, important water ways and almost all the minerals. The countries in this region have huge markets and they can trade within themselves, which can be much profitable.

If Asian Block comes into being under the leadership of China & Russia, which hopefully will be resisted by the West and the US then this will be an achievement in the history of the world and I am hopeful that this will be done in coming years.

[weston80]

is this plan of making Asia union is in the papers or some work have started?

[Depotmaster]

Wahts the point of that, China would dominate every Asian block.

[Celebriton]

Starting January 1, 2010, China and ASEAN will became a free trade zone. Soon it will followed by Japan, South Korea, India and Australia.....I hope so.

About East Asian community, it will not that easy. I read in newspaper, there several difficulties.

For now and near future, East Asian Block community will just in free trade agreement and economy-development cooperation.

[CoCoMilk]

Originally Posted by Celebriton

Starting January 1, 2010, China and ASEAN will became a free trade zone. Soon it will followed by Japan, South Korea, India and Australia.....I hope so.

About East Asian community, it will not that easy. I read in newspaper, there several difficulties.

For now and near future, East Asian Block community will just in free trade agreement and economy-development cooperation.

Keep it that way, a union like that of EU would limit China's independence.

[urbanfan89]

Perhaps this block will resemble East Asia during the Tang Dynasty: a powerful China at the centre, surrounded by vassal states who rely on it for their protection and prosperity. By then the Russians would be forced to give up their eastern territories for whatever reason, since they can no longer maintain them...

[lkx314]

Originally Posted by urbanfan89

Perhaps this block will resemble East Asia during the Tang Dynasty: a powerful China at the centre, surrounded by vassal states who rely on it for their protection and prosperity. By then the Russians would be forced to give up their eastern territories for whatever reason, since they can no longer maintain them...

Your a bit irrendist there, russia isnt as weak as you think don't think you can just take land(even if it was stolen already) . "limit China's independence." Are you a member of the british independence party???

[CoCoMilk]

Originally Posted by lkx314

Your a bit irrendist there, russia isnt as weak as you think don't think you can just take land(even if it was stolen already) . "limit China's independence." Are you a member of the british independence party???

You're crazy somehow and I hate how you live near me too. If China is in an union like that of EU, she would have to pay members fees and annual support to other partner nations. Why not just focus on their own people and not have to bound to a regional currency or w.e. EU is becoming a Country-like union and it's eager to admit more members. What if all the regions in the world make a political union? That would make 5~ countries then later all union into one. I'm no british independence party member but i'm against globalization. Globalization are killing cultures and replacing them with Western one.

[lkx314]

Originally Posted by CoCoMilk

You're crazy somehow and I hate how you live near me too. If China is in an union like that of EU, she would have to pay members fees and annual support to other partner nations. Why not just focus on their own people and not have to bound to a regional currency or w.e. EU is becoming a Country-like union and it's eager to admit more members. What if all the regions in the world make a political union? That would make 5~ countries then later all union into one. I'm no british independence party member but i'm against globalization. Globalization are killing cultures and replacing them with Western one.

emmm globalization is why china is having so much money today.

[bobdikl]

Originally Posted by lkx314

emmm globalization is why china is having so much money today.

Many developing countries do not benefit from globalisation at all. The world is quietly turning to full wind eastern meritocracy, this is the main cause of the rising of countries that used to practice confucianism. There are so much talks about asian countries being westernised that often make one forget the west were once heavily easternised - from near east to far east, from arabia coffee to chinese tea. for example the confucious style civil service was once exported to the west. Since then it had influenced the development of European and American system where traditionally aristocratic used to practice cousin marrige, a pratice would be regarded as incest in 18th century far east.

[Celebriton]

Sometimes when I read lkx314's comment, there some truth. But he write it with extreme attitude.

In East Asia block, may be China, Japan, India, Australia and Indonesia will have a big role, but China will not became like Tang Dynasty. Since the condition of the world today is different. I also see China doesn't have an world domination ambitious. China is more passive, harmony and heavily focus on their national economy-development than world politics. This East Asian community is like a friendship and cooperation rather than pushing someone will to another.

I read at the latest news in newspaper. The reasons why it's hard to create a single East Asian community are:
East Asian people has many different culture that makes their people separated from each other. Like Muslim countries: Indonesia, Brunei and Malaysia people closer to Middle East rather than East Asia. China people and Japan people are not close. China and Indo-China has different culture. India and Australia are completely different from the rest of East Asian nations.
East Asian countries has many different government type, unique laws, national value, etc.
The economy and development condition for each country is different. China and most of East Asia countries are still under developing and their people are poor. While Japan, Australia, South Korea and Singapore are rich countries.
China also has other regional cooperation rather than just China-ASEAN. China has Shanghai 5 with Central Asian countries, BRIC, etc. Japan also a member of G8 countries.

I think East Asia block is more like free trade zone, regional protectionism, security cooperation, etc.

[CoCoMilk]

Originally Posted by Celebriton

Sometimes when I read lkx314's comment, there some truth. But he write it with extreme attitude.

In East Asia block, may be China, Japan, India, Australia and Indonesia will have a big role, but China will not became like Tang Dynasty. Since the condition of the world today is different. I also see China doesn't have an world domination ambitious. China is more passive, harmony and heavily focus on their national economy-development than world politics. This East Asian community is like a friendship and cooperation rather than pushing someone will to another.

I read at the latest news in newspaper. The reasons why it's hard to create a single East Asian community are:
East Asian people has many different culture that makes their people separated from each other. Like Muslim countries: Indonesia, Brunei and Malaysia people closer to Middle East rather than East Asia. China people and Japan people are not close. China and Indo-China has different culture. India and Australia are completely different from the rest of East Asian nations.
East Asian countries has many different government type, unique laws, national value, etc.
The economy and development condition for each country is different. China and most of East Asia countries are still under developing and their people are poor. While Japan, Australia, South Korea and Singapore are rich countries.
China also has other regional cooperation rather than just China-ASEAN. China has Shanghai 5 with Central Asian countries, BRIC, etc. Japan also a member of G8 countries.

I think East Asia block is more like free trade zone, regional protectionism, security cooperation, etc.

To Lkx: yes globalization bring wealth but at a cost of self identities and cultures, a lot of cultural practices aren't be practice anymore and Chinese girls in Shanghai is just becoming another copy of american girls..i dun like that but that's just my opinion.

To cele: China doesn't need to join any club to do any of those and she doesn't need to advocate freaking regional blocks on every continent. ASEAN and EU haven't prove anything that's successful.

[lkx314]

Originally Posted by CoCoMilk

To Lkx: yes globalization bring wealth but at a cost of self identities and cultures, a lot of cultural practices aren't be practice anymore and Chinese girls in Shanghai is just becoming another copy of american girls..i dun like that but that's just my opinion.

To cele: China doesn't need to join any club to do any of those and she doesn't need to advocate freaking regional blocks on every continent. ASEAN and EU haven't prove anything that's successful.

Before globalization china was as poor as africa, you know in developing countries they pratice an extremist version of religion, they mutilate female gentials. at least in the 1800's the westerners told chinese that foot binding is very cruel. are these the self identites and cultural traditions that needs protection???? In fact most Cultural pratices are modernized, like culture before US involvement with Korea and Japan they were still praticing 8th century styled art, dance, and music, I don't know about you but girls in china are being more koreanized then americanized.

[CoCoMilk]

Originally Posted by lkx314

Before globalization china was as poor as africa, you know in developing countries they pratice an extremist version of religion, they mutilate female gentials. at least in the 1800's the westerners told chinese that foot binding is very cruel. are these the self identites and cultural traditions that needs protection???? In fact most Cultural pratices are modernized, like culture before US involvement with Korea and Japan they were still praticing 8th century styled art, dance, and music, I don't know about you but girls in china are being more koreanized then americanized.

Use your common sense ffs, why would anyone want to protect cultures that violate human rights or anything of that matter. God! what i mean by "cultures of China" are those that are practice by the non-citynites and deemed respectful. I've seen many of those on the country side of Fujian and they were fun and enjoyable but most of the young ones went into cities or "Globalization" took over them. Regional dialects and cultures are becoming increasingly forgotten due to the Globalization. Sure it brings China wealth but what's the cost? that is not an excuse to break off alot of traditions. Korea is definitely not a role model for China, majority of its people are converted to Christians and they are heavily ejected with western cultures. Globalization is trying to make China similar to any countries in the world, thats why u see ENGLISH words and western advertising models sprouting everywhere in China than Japan. After let say 100 year, No one is different anymore, every culture are based on the majority after that. HK is westernized to a extend that some girls there sell their body to buy some gucci or LV bags, JP girls loveeee to dressed up like their western counter parts and their fashion models are mostly half white half asians. This is just my opinion tho, please don't take it too deep.

My proposal for China is for her to be "a bit" more self efficient, sure exporting and globalization brings wealth and I do not deny all of that. However, after going through levels of gathering wealth, China should aim at rejuvenating their specialties and their history. Revive regional cultures and specialties, Increase the spending on entertainment and all shorts of things that benefits the Chinese and keep their "Chinese-ness". Let the world envy of it's culture not let the world devour it's culture. Japan's way keeping it's specialty (ex. better and more cultural festivals) should be learn and do it better than them but not their bad sides.

Learn the good part of others and keep away from the bad ones. Also i just wish Chinese entertainment shows cut off their annoying and lame speech lines , it's like they are spreeing CCTV punch lines, why not just do like Taiwan variety shows...Relaxxx and enjoy. geez

[YelloPerilo]

Originally Posted by lkx314

at least in the 1800's the westerners told chinese that foot binding is very cruel. are these the self identites and cultural traditions that needs protection????

Goodness, you are spewing new crap like a truly brainwashed banana again after your idiotic fascist crap in another threat. Yeah, the whole world needs the white man to rescue them from barbarity. But beforhand one has to let them rape, plunder, enslave and be drugged in order to get your women's feet freed. Give me a fucking break!

Have you ever heard of the corset?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset

[Severiano]

I agree with YelloPerilo, all cultures have barbaric traditions. If you go back 200 years, every culture was doing something completely stupid and barbaric. It is ignorant to point out a cultures barbarianism, but what they used to do. If Chinese were binding feet today that would be another story, but luckily thats one for the history books.

[Haoting]

Speaking of barbaric traditions and genital mutilation, 75% of American males and 70% of the Muslim world are circumcised. Most Europeans and most Asians (except for mostly Koreans and Filliipinos - thanks to American influence) do not practice male circumcision.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

[lkx314]

"Regional dialects and cultures"
In the cities local dialects are starting to be sidelined, which is in fact good because a national culture must be put above regional cultures.

"that is not an excuse to break off alot of traditions."
Traditions don't break off by themselves, they break off when people find out that it's terrible.

"Korea is definitely not a role model for China"
I've also mentioned japan

"sure exporting and globalization brings wealth and I do not deny all of that."
You said that you were against globalization.

"spending on entertainment and all shorts of things that benefits the Chinese and keep their "Chinese-ness"."
Globalization modernized japan and korea's culture, we can't let it say like it's the ancient times. A lot of china's youth want chinese culture from taiwan, with globalization from american entertainment. Taiwans entertainment industry became popular.

"Also i just wish Chinese entertainment shows cut off their annoying and lame speech lines , it's like they are spreeing CCTV punch lines"
CCTV is way too government controlled and subsidized the reason for the current lack of creativity in chinese shows is that no matter if they gain or lose money they will always get government subsidies.

"the whole world needs the white man to rescue them from barbarity."
Banana, oh wow you think you really know me?? westerners were helped when the crusaders reintroduced lost greco-roman knowledge that put them out of the dark ages. Banana yeah saying that china needs to modernize is being a banana, If you read my statement i said that ATLEAST WESTERNERS TOLD CHINA THAT FOOT BINDING WAS CRUEL. Jesus the corset was the equivalent of the bra, foot binding was very very terrible. If i use your logic i think you support foot binding because those who don't hate chinese

"Many developing countries do not benefit from globalisation at all"
Please read their histories 101, when they refused globalization they turned to socialism and ISI. Globalization isnt forced upon these countries.

"75% of American males"
Emmm are those from jewish statistics???

[CoCoMilk]

In the cities local dialects are starting to be sidelined, which is in fact good because a national culture must be put above regional cultures.

How about all?

Traditions don't break off by themselves, they break off when people find out that it's terrible.

Great and i don't find speaking regional dialect terrible

You said that you were against globalization.

I never say i wasn't. Globalization is different to modernizing, modernizing their infrastructures or their TV shows...sure but globalization makes every countries the same, you would start seeing English signs used in China because it's "international" argg...

Globalization modernized japan and korea's culture, we can't let it say like it's the ancient times. A lot of china's youth want chinese culture from taiwan, with globalization from american entertainment. Taiwans entertainment industry became popular.

Yea kinda like when an American singer like Michael Jackson died, whole world went into depression. I never say let's go back to the ancient time, I just want China to respect and not give up their own specialty and their cultures. That's all i want.

Emmm are those from jewish statistics???

wth?