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Old September 13th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #81
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Suzhou has no border with Hangzhou, unlike with Wuxi, Shanghai or even Nantong.
What lies between Suzhou in the north and Huangzhou in the south?
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Old September 17th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #82
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Old December 12th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #83
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Suzhou subway Line 2 will open on December 28 2013

Line 2 length: 26.6 km
Stations: 22 (17 underground, 5 elevated)
Connecting Suzhou Railway station, Suzhou North Station and commercial areas
Interchanging with Line 1, Line 3 (U/C) and Line 4 (U/C)

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Old December 12th, 2013, 06:33 AM   #84
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So much news from China! Hope to see much soon.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #85
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By the way, Suzhou features the fact that the names of the stations are only transliterated from what I see. I mean there is "Zhonglu" and not "Middle XXX road" as it is the case for Shanghai.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:14 AM   #86
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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:45 AM   #87
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By the way, Suzhou features the fact that the names of the stations are only transliterated from what I see. I mean there is "Zhonglu" and not "Middle XXX road" as it is the case for Shanghai.
You are expert on that I was curious too when I first saw the translation.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #88
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I still think they should also have an English translation on it, just so I can learn Chinese :P
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Old December 12th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #89
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You just compare Sanghai signs to all the others.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #90
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By the way, Suzhou features the fact that the names of the stations are only transliterated from what I see. I mean there is "Zhonglu" and not "Middle XXX road" as it is the case for Shanghai.
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I still think they should also have an English translation on it, just so I can learn Chinese :P
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sometimes i even hate the translation, coz if there is just a translation and you want to ask for the station in chinese, you have no idea how to pronounce the names. Ppl usually dont need that, and even if, the translation could be optional, like in smaller letters. Transliteration is much more important.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #91
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Actually if you read Pinyin in en English manner, almost nobody will understand you.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #92
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sometimes i even hate the translation, coz if there is just a translation and you want to ask for the station in chinese, you have no idea how to pronounce the names. Ppl usually dont need that, and even if, the translation could be optional, like in smaller letters. Transliteration is much more important.

Valid point, the overall English level in China isn't that good. Stick to the pinyin .
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Young Chinese can speak fairly fluently.
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+1. And they are always helpful.
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That's great news.
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Young Chinese can speak fairly fluently.
Maybe where you live but their listening comprehension is suspect especially in rural areas where there is a distinct lack of foreigners.

General rule is urban areas have better schools and resources so there tends to greater numbers of speakers especially in large cities like Beijing and Shanghai,

Educated Chinese especially college educated Chinese have better English than people who never made it out of Middle school.

More females than males because most English teachers are female moreso at primary/middle school.

Better English in the east than the west due to better employment opportunities etc

As a matter of interest has anyone tried called 110 or 119 or 120 and 122 in an emergency speaking English?

Forget about going into a typical hospital seeking medical treatment or the local police station in fact they will straight ask you if you can speak Chinese.

Maybe some general chit chat small talk but for purposes of communication there are going to be issues.

Even the average scores on the ILETS speaking test are around 6:0 and that's the best of them the same score in Germany is more than 8:0 that is a huge difference.

In Asia the Chinese scored among the lowest on any major English proficiency test be it TOEFL, BEC or ILETS along with the Japanese, Korean etc. I referring to just expressive skills such as speaking and writing.

There is a clear difference between communicative skills and comprehension skills. Dodgy local English teaching doesn't help out along with an almost complete lack of knowledge of idiomatic or colloquail English means all sentence have to be constructed without the use of the above and metaphors etc. Words using literal meanings only aka straight out of the testbook. Avoid using acronyms or overly technical terms There are plenty of guys with degrees who can't tell you why your computer isn't working and so on.

I come from an English speaking country so perhaps my definition of a fluent English speaker isn't the same as everyone else. But the average Chinese has a long way to go before they can be classified as speaking English fairly fluently.

Actually their biggest problem seems to be understanding Native speakers ironically maybe the accent/speed and /or use of non standard English .
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+1. And they are always helpful.
That's true indeed they are as helpful as they can be under the circumstances.

Things are better now than the bad old days when contact with foreigners however causal was frowned upon.

Actually East Asians in general are pretty good, very community minded too.
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Suzhou subway Line 2 will open on December 28 2013

Line 2 length: 26.6 km
Stations: 22 (17 underground, 5 elevated)
Connecting Suzhou Railway station, Suzhou North Station and commercial areas
Interchanging with Line 1, Line 3 (U/C) and Line 4 (U/C)
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2014.1.1 Suzhou Line 2 is already over-crowded at peak time, after opening in 4 days.

Damn B type train!

Jan-1 ridership 452.5k
Line 1: 311.5k
Line 2: 141k

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