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Old March 12th, 2015, 10:44 AM   #461
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NICE!!
By the way, it seems like there also was a "special" train between Gothenburg and Alvhem on this side of the country.

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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #462
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This railbus carries about 20 passengers on average but it can take up to 120 people, if it was crowded maybe the 1st class ticket would make sense.
An example of a propeller plane with under 100 seats, and first class:
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:04 PM   #463
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Motala station yesterday

Motala station in the year 2000

Can you see the difference between these photos?
2 buildings were demolished.

Today the area around Motala station has become more open, with many new parking lots.
I think the station area looks more empty and dull now, but it's more modern and convienent for commuters.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:59 PM   #464
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Depressing that they demolish buildings for car parks...
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Old March 12th, 2015, 06:40 PM   #465
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Can you see the difference between these photos?
2 buildings were demolished.

Today the area around Motala station has become more open, with many new parking lots.
I think the station area looks more empty and dull now, but it's more modern and convienent for commuters.
What was the function of these 2 buildings when built?
What was their function last time they had any?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #466
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What was the function of these 2 buildings when built?
What was their function last time they had any?
The building far ahead was a mill. It was demolished in march 2001.


The building closer to the right was some kind of freight office.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #467
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Those MTR Express ads are pretty cool.

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Old March 15th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #468
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Railtrip Linköping-Motala-Åtvidaberg TODAY !!

Today I bought a car in Motala and visited my mother in Åtvidaberg so I traveled from Linköping to Motala with the commuter train and then with the railbus Åtvidaberg-Linköping.



Incoming SJ X2000 from Stockholm at Linköping railway station.



Commutertrain from Norrköping arrives in Linköping


In the weekends when there are few passengers the old X10´s are in service.


Onboard the commutertrain to Motala


The train changes direction in Mjölby


Skänninge pop. 4000 has a commutertrain station



Final destination Motala railway station.


The yellow wooden railway station building in Åtvidaberg


Not many travellers inside the railway station


The foot of the table is "railway-esque"


The railbus Y31 heading for Linköping has arrived at Åtvidaberg railway station


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Today the area around Motala station has become more open, with many new parking lots.
I think the station area looks more empty and dull now, but it's more modern and convienent for commuters.
Was it only for making place for car parks? They also built double tracks, weren't any of the buildings in the way for that?
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Old March 18th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #471
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Was it only for making place for car parks? They also built double tracks, weren't any of the buildings in the way for that?
There are two new big parking lots at Motala station. One building was demolished when the new station was built, a goods office of some kind. I also think some houses along the line were expropriated.

There are of course more people at the station now, than there used to be.
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Depressing that they demolish buildings for car parks...
Well, in this case it was to incentivize taking the train over driving even if that means driving to and from the train station.

Maybe they should have built a bicycle garage to, since Motala is not that big in the first place.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 01:26 PM   #473
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Well, in this case it was to incentivize taking the train over driving even if that means driving to and from the train station.

Maybe they should have built a bicycle garage to, since Motala is not that big in the first place.
I think available free parking space is an important factor if you want to change the way people commute. No place to park means people will travel all the way by car.



Before the new railway station was built there were about 30 parking spots close to the station.

The old goods storage was demolished and the space generated a 100 new parkings spots. South of the station there are another 120 new parking spots.
In all a 220 new spots to park cars on. Not a very pleasant sight seeing all these cars, but it is good for the environment and the railway.

Tearing down old goods storages in railway station areas is common nowadays. The same thing happend in Linköping, where they also demolished the goods storage.
That space is still empty, I wonder what they are planning to build there.
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Free parking is certainly not needed. Unless! Unless parking is free elsewhere. Which I guess it is all over the place in Motala. In that case, yes it might help. What would probably help more is building dense urbanity on those lots. Having an old goods warehouse? yeah, that wouldn't help get travelers for the railway at all.
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Free parking is certainly not needed. Unless! Unless parking is free elsewhere. Which I guess it is all over the place in Motala. In that case, yes it might help. What would probably help more is building dense urbanity on those lots. Having an old goods warehouse? yeah, that wouldn't help get travelers for the railway at all.
If these parking spots were charged for, less people would use them. Especially the commuters because they park their cars there the whole day. That additional cost would deter them from taking the train.

If you count the whole station area and the parkinglot at the swimming hall closeby you have around 300 parking spots. I think that is enough for this part of town. Building dense urbanity on those lots ? I dont think so. Motala is not a development area with increasing prices of real estate. Overall Motala is a very open city with few densely populated areas. The cost of land is cheap compared to Linköping for ex.


Motala is a town where it´s easy to park, here at the swimminghall parking is free, but on the central square it costs.
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Oh come on. The furthest you would really need to cycle within the town is 4km. If you cannot cycle 4km then you're just a lazy idiot who probably wouldn't take the train anyway as it means leaving your car. Parking is not required for people to take the train, otherwise every Japanese station (where people frequently bike for 4km or so in parts of the metropolitan areas) would be unsuccessful unless they had oodles of free parking nearby.
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Oh come on. The furthest you would really need to cycle within the town is 4km. If you cannot cycle 4km then you're just a lazy idiot who probably wouldn't take the train anyway as it means leaving your car.
Not many people would bicycle to the station when its cold, raining or snowing. They would rather go by car. Motala has a lot of free space for parkingspots, because the cost of land is low. There is no high demand for new building plots to build houses on. Also few commuters have the time to bicycle up to 4km early in the morning.

It's all about the costs. 300 free parking spots at the Linköping station would never happen, because land is too expensive here. So the commuters in Linköping dont take the car to the station, but on the other hand Linköping is usually the destination where the commuters get off the train.
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The new parking is all on ground level. And the demolished goods storage was one story too. Why was it demolished? Only the thickness of the walls was taking up space - they could have used the wide interior and wide gates to park indoors.
Indeed, they might have built a roofed gallery between the goods/parking building and station... but did not.
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The new parking is all on ground level. And the demolished goods storage was one story too. Why was it demolished?
I think the main reason to the demolishion was that the building was not in use for the railway anymore. Maybe some private company rented it as a storage. When the new commuter station was built the old goods storage was expropriated to create space for parking. Many stations in smaller cities lost staff in the later years. The ticket sales office at Motala station closed in 1999 or so, also I dont think that any goods are unloaded at the station anymore. So why keep the building ? Sure it adds some railway-esque athmospeare to the area, but times are changing and function goes before aesthetics .

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Parking is not required for people to take the train, otherwise every Japanese station (where people frequently bike for 4km or so in parts of the metropolitan areas) would be unsuccessful unless they had oodles of free parking nearby.
So the japanese are frequent bicyclists because they are more environmental friendly? I think it has to do with the lack of parkingspace due to the stellar price of land. I have read that in some japanese cities you need to confirm that you have a parkingspot before you are allowed to buy a car.
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I think the main reason to the demolishion was that the building was not in use for the railway anymore. Maybe some private company rented it as a storage. When the new commuter station was built the old goods storage was expropriated to create space for parking. Many stations in smaller cities lost staff in the later years. The ticket sales office at Motala station closed in 1999 or so, also I dont think that any goods are unloaded at the station anymore. So why keep the building ? Sure it adds some railway-esque athmospeare to the area, but times are changing and function goes before aesthetics.
Function? Roofed space, free of obstructing walls and internal supports over appreciable width. Why not use it for parking?
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