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Old September 1st, 2015, 01:35 PM   #621
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But in an area devoid of people aquiring the needed land to build it at ground level is much cheaper. An elevated railway is a lot more expensive to build, a cost that can be ofset by the fact that you don't need to acquire that much land. But that only applies in densily populated areas.
I don't know the regulations in Sweden, but I think a regular double track rail line would be something like 15 meters wide and 20m buffer zone (total width to be aquired 55m) as well as a 50 meter security zone from the tracks where people shouldn't be living, in case of an accident.

Whatever the regulations are I wouldn't expect them to be significantly different for viaducts. Anyway, except for densely populated areas (few in Scandinavia, and places where tunnels may be a better option) land acquisition is a small part of total cost.

This World Bank note, High-Speed Railways in China: A Look at Construction Costs, fingered mass production techniques. This is likely the main reason for viaducts, in addition to the other advantages. Viaducts can be mass-produced and prefabricated, embankments can't.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 02:25 PM   #622
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As a slight aside; that Dragon Gate building is absolutely hideous. A monstrosity. I have no idea how planners allowed such garbage to be built.

Much of the cost estimates in this proposal are probably based off of efficiencies that can only be encountered in China. The economies of scale encountered in the pre-fab bridge sections are probably impossible to replicate in Sweden - especially if using Swedish labour and manufacturing locations. The cost savings encountered in China are likely to stay in China. (Just take a look at how the price of the HK-China HSR has ballooned over the years as the project has come across hurdles that simply don't exist on the Mainland.)
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Old September 1st, 2015, 03:06 PM   #623
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I was on several trains in Sweden over the last few weeks. On thing I found odd was that the X2000 service from Stockholm to Copenhagen had "Malmø" as destination both on the departure boards in the main hall, and the indicators on the platforms. It was only on the train itself that it was displayed that this train went to Copenhagen.
Why is that? Doesn't that make it hard for people that want to travel by train to Copenhagen?
There must be an error. I have never seen Malmö written as "Malmø" in Sweden. All X2000 trains to Copenhagen are displayed as Malmö/Köpenhamn.
Maybe you didnt see Copenhagen but "Köpenhamn"


X2000 train to Malmö Köpenhamn, clearly displayed to the upper right

11:58 Train arriving from Köpenhamn (Copenhagen) Malmö & Lund.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 03:13 PM   #624
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The very fact it said Malmø is completely wrong too then while the train is in Sweden. It should say Malmö.
Of course it said Malmö. My mistake. But the spelling of scandinavian languages is rather confusing to me. I was aware the the Swedes spelled Copenhagen as Köpenhamn, but was not prepared for the way they pronounced it...
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Old September 1st, 2015, 05:26 PM   #625
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Of course it said Malmö. My mistake. But the spelling of scandinavian languages is rather confusing to me. I was aware the the Swedes spelled Copenhagen as Köpenhamn, but was not prepared for the way they pronounced it...
Haha, yeah, the pronunciation is rather... Unique, and not what one would expect. I actually recently took the train to Copenhagen and indeed it said that it was going to Copenhagen. I would put it down to an error on this particular train if it didn't write Köpenhamn.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:50 PM   #626
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But in an area devoid of people aquiring the needed land to build it at ground level is much cheaper. An elevated railway is a lot more expensive to build, a cost that can be ofset by the fact that you don't need to acquire that much land. But that only applies in densily populated areas.
This is assuming the land is completely flat, a viaduct doesn't have to respect the uneven terrain, all you do is build longer and shorter support pillars. Also building over boglands and marshes is much easier with a viaduct.

Considering the new HSR route considered for Lindköping-Jönköping-Borås-Göteborg, most of the stretch consist of uneven terrain, ideal for a continuous viaduct.

For a railroad running on the ground you have to excavate millions of cubic meters of rock and earth and build massive embankments through swamps and marshes. This is not exactly cheap to do.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 11:41 AM   #627
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Old September 7th, 2015, 10:56 AM   #628
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Appearantly, rain has flooded the western main line. MTR Express is replacing trains with buses between Hallsberg and Laxå today (this is why they signed a deal with Swebus a couple of months ago).

They posted this on Facebook:
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Det har regnat mycket på kort tid och detta har gett översvämningar på Västra stambanan. Vi har valt att ersätta sträckan Hallsberg-Laxå med buss under måndagen för att våra kunder ändå ska komma fram, om än med en viss försening. Planerna uppdateras löpande under dagen beroende på status på spåren.
Om du som kund ändå inte vill resa erbjuder vi fri ombokning/avbokning på biljetter som gäller under måndagen den 7 september för alla våra biljettyper FIX/FLEX/PLUS.
Vid frågor, kontakta oss här eller på [email protected]
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It has been raining a lot in a short time and this has given the flooding on the Western Main Line. We have chosen to replace the Hallsberg-Laxa by bus on Monday for our customers yet to arrive, albeit with some delay. The plans are updated continuously throughout the day, depending on the status of the tracks.
If you, the customer still does not want to travel, we offer free rebooking / cancellation of tickets that are valid for Monday 7 September for all our ticket FIX / FLEX / PLUS.
For questions, contact us here or on [email protected]

SJ is also reporting about floodings on that particular stretch of track, but SJ has opted to slow down trains instead and save passengers from having to change trains twice.
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Old September 7th, 2015, 11:12 AM   #629
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Loads of rain this weekend. The line flooding shows a weakness of putting the tracks on the ground instead of raising them up on a viaduct. Especially in flood-prone areas.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 02:01 PM   #630
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The Croc is finally here !


A taurus loco is pulling the croc over the Öresund bridge.


The croc has arrived in Malmö




The Crocodile loco in Mjölby, Sweden

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Old September 11th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #631
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NICE!!

I was so gutted to hear that they had broken down and wouldn't pass through southern Sweden as planned, since I had planned to go for some trainspotting since it was to pass not to long from where I live.

Still great to see it though.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #632
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Old September 12th, 2015, 06:07 PM   #633
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100 years to Eelectric trains in Sweden

In 1915 the Iron ore Line section from Kiruna to Riksgränsen was opened for electric traction. This was the very first part of the State owned railway net where electric traction could be used completely. Due to that we have had environmentally friendly trains in Sweden for 100 years. This is worth celebrating by presenting 100 years of electric trains throughout the Swedish railway history.
During the big jubilee event weekend at the 12-13 September we celebrate 100 years of electric trains. We will gather up as many electric locomotives as possible from the Swedish railway history. As if that was not enough, we also have the Swiss Crocodile.

The Crocodile train from Switzerland - a special guest


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More information about the celebration events and excursions to The Swedish Railway Museum in Gävle: http://www.trafikverket.se/Museer/Sv...ains-100-years.

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Old September 13th, 2015, 02:31 PM   #634
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If there is a way to save money, then shure they will try everything. I can't care to mention how many times companies hire cheap labourers from other contries here in Sweden, end then paying them as they would have been back home instead of according to the rules here in Sweden. Both in constructions, but even more so for the "Berry picking" industry.
How this has worked in the past, is that the main contracter, uses subcontractors from lets say a Baltic country or Poland.

That way, the responsibility for paying the workers "decent" wages lies on the subcontractor, and not the main contractor(the swedish company), but this has mostly been sorted out now, with the latest agreement with the unions.

Now Swedish construction companies has to set a side cash for a "fund" that can be used to cover foreign workers wages if they get a "shit" pay from the subcontractors. In essence, Swedish construction companies has agreed to cover even the subcontractors workers, as far as "fair" wages goes.

Now, if the subcontractors can't uphold their side of the deal, delievering what they promised for the price they promised while paying "decent" wages, then there will be no reason for the Swedish main contractor to outsource work to them, since they will have to pick up the bill anyways(covering the workers wages with the cash set aside in the fund).
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Old September 18th, 2015, 01:42 PM   #635
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Two new videos from trafikverket:

Älvsjöbågen, part of the Citybanan project but will only be used by intercity rail: (in Swedish)


Hallandsåstunneln (the stop towards the end is planned as part of the testing)
First going north through the eastern tunnel (against the future direction of travel)


Then going south through the eastern tunnel (as the future direction of travel will be)
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Old September 19th, 2015, 11:36 AM   #636
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Is Hallandsås Tunnel still scheduled to open for commercial traffic on December 13th as written in Wikipedia?
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afaik, yes.
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The crocodile is leaving Sweden.


The swiss train is boarding the ferry to Poland.


Ystad harbour
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Lovely pictures. Thank you for sharing.
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Alstom expands in the Swedish market.

Alstom acquires Swedish rolling stock maintenance firm Motala Train
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