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Old January 24th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #201
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This has little to nothing to do about this tower in particular, but density is a huge factor here, as is the general health and safety of the public. Say this were to demoed via explosives, it explodes, and suddenly there's a change in wind pattern, now you have a massive dust cloud heading towards Central Park in the middle of the summer, or it heads southwest and and engulfs the 59th St Bridge eliminating all visibility during rush hour, or heads straight up in the air limiting visibility in one of the most congested air spaces in the world. The benefits are zero, and the potential liability is enormous. Common sense should prevail here with ease.

Anyways, back to the tower.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #202
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I agree with you, though didn't these problems then plague the cities which used this method to dispose of their highrises too?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #203
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Can you imagine if they wanted to implode a major building in the middle of central London? I doubt they would allow it because of potential of adverse health effects and court cases. Not to mention needing to cordon off large parts of a very busy city dense city that would impact the economy.

I don't know where those demolitions occurred in those other cities, but if they were downtown, I can probably guess that it was at a time when these areas were pretty empty. It would be hard to do that in Manhattan. Those other cities you mention (vegas, houston, cincinatti) are far less populated in their downtowns than Manhattan resulting in less risk, easier to empty large areas and less things that could go wrong which may lead to lawsuits in this litigious country!

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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #204
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Some of them were in less dense areas however the one in Detroit and especially the one in Fort Worth were in dense areas. Here are a few vids:







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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #205
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Downtown Houston and Fort Worth don't have a big residential population , it is mostly a 9-5 office center.

Also, shame on Detroit for just demolishing such a lovely old building instead of restoring it. Typical!
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #206
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Some of them were in less dense areas however the one in Detroit and especially the one in Fort Worth were in dense areas.
Big buildings does not = density. Manhattan has a large residential population, imploding a building would have serious environmental impacts on the most heavily populated area in the U.S. Additionally, Manhattan buildings often have adjacent lot line walls (as this case). An implosion could possible damage or weekend nearby structures. This policy is common sense.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #207
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I agree with you, those are very good points. Not truly common sense but nevertheless, very good points
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Old January 25th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #208
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Isn't that what I was trying to say in my post? Manhattan's population of 'residents' is the primary factor here compared to sunbelt cities that have entirely different living patterns.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #209
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I live exactly one block from this hypothetical implosion...as much as I love a good fireworks display, I think Kanto's videos have pretty much cured me of any 'blow it up' day dreams.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 01:05 PM   #210
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Isn't that what I was trying to say in my post? Manhattan's population of 'residents' is the primary factor here compared to sunbelt cities that have entirely different living patterns.
Yup, you said it and I agreed with it
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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:45 PM   #211
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It's doing down

I live across the street and this building has started to come down. but its taken them a week to destroy the smallest top of the building. But it is taking a long time, does anyone know how long it is going to take to get the full building down
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:46 PM   #212
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Thanks to NYGuy on SSP for finding this, financing for these is getting easier to find.

Starwood in Line to Finance Big NY Project

2/1/2013

"Starwood Property is poised to provide about $450 million of debt for the long-delayed construction of a large residential tower on Manhattan’s East Side.

The loan would finance World-Wide Group’s development of a 57-story building with about 270 units at 250 East 57th Street. Starwood competed with several banks for the lending assignment..."
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #213
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Starwood's Barry Sternlicht going crazy lately!



...Still waiting on that W Hotel in Philly.
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Can you imagine if they wanted to implode a major building in the middle of central London? I doubt they would allow it because of potential of adverse health effects and court cases. Not to mention needing to cordon off large parts of a very busy city dense city that would impact the economy.

I don't know where those demolitions occurred in those other cities, but if they were downtown, I can probably guess that it was at a time when these areas were pretty empty. It would be hard to do that in Manhattan. Those other cities you mention (vegas, houston, cincinatti) are far less populated in their downtowns than Manhattan resulting in less risk, easier to empty large areas and less things that could go wrong which may lead to lawsuits in this litigious country!
I've imploded building in downtown London before (and I have imploded buildings in NYC before) The limiting factor is the debris. You need a depository for it. It has to go somewhere. The rule of thumb is 2 feet of debris per floor. The angle of repose is 2:1. If you had a really deep basement it's possible. Like the Dayton Hudson store in Detroit. It was only possible to implode that one because it had 7 levels of basements.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #215
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I've imploded building in downtown London before (and I have imploded buildings in NYC before) The limiting factor is the debris. You need a depository for it. It has to go somewhere. The rule of thumb is 2 feet of debris per floor. The angle of repose is 2:1. If you had a really deep basement it's possible. Like the Dayton Hudson store in Detroit. It was only possible to implode that one because it had 7 levels of basements.
Thank you for lending your expertise and clearing things up!
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Old February 11th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #216
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finally some good news for this project!
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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #217
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I've imploded building in downtown London before (and I have imploded buildings in NYC before) The limiting factor is the debris. You need a depository for it. It has to go somewhere. The rule of thumb is 2 feet of debris per floor. The angle of repose is 2:1. If you had a really deep basement it's possible. Like the Dayton Hudson store in Detroit. It was only possible to implode that one because it had 7 levels of basements.
Thanks for explaining this
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 06:04 PM   #218
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Finally starting to see some visible progress with the demolition...

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Old February 22nd, 2013, 07:24 PM   #219
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Nice, the same stage as the Wilshire hotel in LA.
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Finally starting to see some visible progress with the demolition...

You should see it from above!! much more visible stuff from above it
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