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[Ingenioren]

Ofcourse metro, but with light rail vehicles! Like Brussels premetro lines, it runs underground in the city centre, and in more "rural" areas there is room for it above ground - it still avoids running with cars as much as possible to keep a reasonable speed.

[City of Rain]

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future? (i mean within city limits, not counting the metro area)

i dont like the thought of that! :p

ingeniøren, thats exactly what i meant.. so make certain parts of bybanen into a metro, by putting it underground! only the most central parks and i guess some other parts where itd be smart.

[Hansadyret]

Originally Posted by City of Rain

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future?

Who said that?
But anyway that could well happen since much of the growth in the Bergen-area happens on the islands west of Bergen for now. But my prediction is that places like Askøy will become part of Bergen within 30 Years. There are so many people from Bergen moving out there that they sooner or later would want the island to become part of Bergen. After all they are only 9 minutes away from the city-center by ferry.
My prediction is that much of the populationgrowth in the Bergen area will shift southwards towards Os in the future with the new 100 km/h higway wich will soon start contruction. The Os-area is very beautiful with lots and lots of small islands wich will become extremly attractive with the new infrastructure.
Anybody familiar to the local situation understands why Terje Søviknes wants the new road in place as soon as possible with or without roadtolls. He wants the best for Os and the place to grow, and he could not give a shit about what other politicians in Frp thinks about it.

[Kjello0]

Originally Posted by City of Rain

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future? (i mean within city limits, not counting the metro area)

i dont like the thought of that! :p

If you are talking about todays Bergen yes. Unless something special happens Trondheim will never be close to Bergen in size agian. The period 1967 to 1971 is probably going to be the last period where Trondheim was bigger than Bergen. However, Bergen must use their available land much smarter and build more dense than Trondheim has to.

Trondheim simply lacks workplaces to approach both Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes in size. Many people take their education in Trondheim, but they have to move to Bergen, Stavanger or Oslo to find suitable jobs for their education. Trondheim hasn't manage to use their advantage of having NTNU and Sintef in the city. Just look at the GSM invention. Sintef in Trondheim invented it. Imagine if we had a Nokia or Ericsson in Trondheim. I'm pretty sure that Trondheim would be Norway's second biggest city if so.

[Hansadyret]

Originally Posted by Kjello0

Trondheim hasn't manage to use their advantage of having NTNU and Sintef in the city. Just look at the GSM invention. Sintef in Trondheim invented it. Imagine if we had a Nokia or Ericsson in Trondheim. I'm pretty sure that Trondheim would be Norway's second biggest city if so.

Don't be to negative. Trondheim is growing pretty fast anyway. The problem with the GSM situation was not only a Trondheim problem but a Norwegian problem with a lack of risktakers and capital. Norwegian capitalists should have seen the potential. I'm sure if it was today a company like Telenor would have invested in the idea, at that time it was a slow 100% state company to locked up in old ways of doing things.

[54°26′S 3°24′E]

You are wrong. Telenor does not involve in technology development at all anymore. And I did not know that people in Bergen was that interested in Trondheim.....

Originally Posted by Kjello0

I'm glad to see that someone agrees with me.

Regarding my numbers.

With high growth the predictions for 2030 is
262 047 in Trondheim (Trondheim, Malvik and Klæbu), which of 237 916 within Trondheim borders.
324 102 in Stavanger/Sandnes (Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola and Randaberg), which of 178 646 within Stavanger borders and 98 020 within Sandnes borders.
441 771 in Bergen (Bergen, Askøy, Os, Fjell), which of 345 887 is within Bergen borders.

Today the population within the same areas is
Trondheim: 189 287
Stavanger/Sandnes: 221 349
Bergen: 320 100
So that's 70 000 up for Trondheim, 100 000 up for Stavanger/Sandnes and 120 000 up for Bergen.

However, the last 20 years SSB has been off with about 20% of the predicted population in city regions. So a city that had an predicted population of 100 000 in 2010, had on average 120 000 when we actually reached 2010. I'm still laughing about their prediction from 2005 on Trondheim reaching 170 000 in 2017, which was reached last year.

For Bergen with an predicted population of 441 771 in 2030 we would by adding that 20% difference get 530 125 in 2030. If we then again add 10 years of growth, we are probably talking about over 600 000 in 2040. That's only 30 years left.

But as with all goverment planning in Norway, we only do the bare minimum and the predictions is extremly low.

I certainly agree with your last sentence, but I think your use of statistics is just a little bit optimistic / pessimistic (whatever your preference is ....)

1. In the last decade you are right, the growth has been underestimated, However, in previous decades the urbanization trends have been severely overestimated. The only thing we know for sure is that the future is pretty uncertain.

2. If you are going to add 20 %, should you not use the medium (i.e. most probable) alternative?

3. The growth of Bergen and Stavanger has been inflated by a booming offshore industry during the last couple of decades. That will not continue, as the age of huge offshore developments (in Norway) will end sooner than you think. My suspicion is that SSB simply has extrapolated the growth over the last couple of decades. Hence, the growth of Bergen and in particular Stavanger in fact may be much lower than SSB predicts.

[City of Rain]

Originally Posted by 54°26′S 3°24′E

I did not know that people in Bergen was that interested in Trondheim.....

whats that supposed to mean?

[54°26′S 3°24′E]

Not much, really (I am a bit tired), other than that the Trondheim thread was pretty much bombed by Bergen forumers discussing Bergen....Maybe this discussion should be moved to some of the infrastructure threads?

[Hansadyret]

It's only a small dicussion about possible future metro-systems in cities like Trondheim, Stavanger and Bergen. Cities that are about the same size.

And you continue to discuss Stavanger and Bergen in your post
But you are right, this discussion should probably be in some kind of Norwegian infrastructure-thread. But i don't see the big problem having a small discussion about it here since it allso involves Trondheim.

[Þróndeimr]

I consider Stjørdal as apart of Trondheim in this thread, so some projects from that city and the airport will be put here.

Stjørdal Kulturhus
A pretty big competition going on right now to design the new culture centre which will be located on one of the last unused sites in the centre of Stjørdal. A winner will be elected in the end of may.

There are 5 proposals, but its not known which of these teams made the following proposals in the renderings.

• Snøhetta AS

• LPO arkitekter AS + Landskapsarkitektene Berg & Dyring AS

• L2 arkitekter AS + IN’BY AS

• Lusparken arkitekter AS + Reiulf Ramstad arkitekter AS - JSTArkitekter AS + Schønherr Norge AS

• Stein Halvorsen arkitekter AS + Wingårdhs arkitekter AB + Grindaker AS

Renderings of the proposals:

[Tohaki]

Originally Posted by Þróndeimr

• L2 arkitekter AS + IN’BY AS

Originally Posted by Þróndeimr

I quite like this one.

[essenze]

Ilsvika Extra

The last stage of the development for the Ilsvika neighborhood is finally set in motion with 140 apartments now put out for sale. The project has been on hold for the last couple of years. It will be good to get some more people to this area I think.



For details: http://www.ilsvikaextra.no/

[Þróndeimr]

Trondheim Arbeiderforening's newly added side, not completed yet, but looks really good in my opinion!

[ivar_ka]

http://www.hist.no/attachment.ap?id=14262

Same as this?

[Tohaki]

Originally Posted by ivar_ka

http://www.hist.no/attachment.ap?id=14262

Same as this?

No, but next to it, I think. Where there is now an ugly concrete building with dark wavy aluminium decoration.

[ivar_ka]

Another Rockheim LED test

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2748595...82/?likes_hd=1

[Þróndeimr]

Nordre Avlastningsvei opens tomorrow, how soon will Midtbyen be reduced for traffic?

Anyway, will finally be great to try it out!

[abk]

Try it out today!

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article1486716.ece

Just can't understand why they didn't go for four lanes..

[ivar_ka]

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/n...elag/1.7137518

[kjetilab]

What does the current church looks like?