Test your Newcastle GENERAL KNOWLEDGE . . . - Page 2

toonlad · November 10th, 2009, 05:57 PM

Shieldfield... along Newbridge St?

***Newcastle Historian*** · November 10th, 2009, 07:03 PM

Well, looking at Number '8' on that model, the only places I know of called "County Hall" (specifically) are Northumberland County Hall, both when it was actually built in Northumberland (at Morpeth) and before that when it was in the 'City & County of Newcastle upon Tyne' (at the Vermont Hotel) - but I cannot see these plans as being for either of those areas.

Now, I remember 'Cramlington New Town' at one point felt it should be the county town of Northumberland, rather than Morpeth, so those plans could have been from then (with a proposed 'County Hall') . .

Now, you've blocked out the name of that 'number 9 building' - but I can't recognise that building at all!

Then I thought . . and early 'Gateshead Town Centre' plan, but that wouldn't have had (the mentioned) County Hall in it, as Gateshead was in Durham in 1962, and its HQ was in Durham City.

So, my last clue is the name of the newspaper (the Northern Echo) so I'm going for PETERLEE !!!

(Wrong, I know!)

johnnypd · November 10th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollow man

No Historian what I mean was that I made a thread of my pictures back in March and im sure Johnny remembered the question from back then!! You're right, no one answered the question from our photo thread.

yep. I cheated.

johnnypd · November 10th, 2009, 07:27 PM

the main office complex in the centre looks like newcastle civic centre but without the tower.

WilfBurnsFan · November 10th, 2009, 07:47 PM

Not Shieldfield, or Peterlee, or Cramlington, or Gateshead.

<Evil cackles>

There's a pair of old buildings near the centre of the image.

johnnypd · November 10th, 2009, 07:53 PM

Washington then, with the old buildings being washington old hall?

WilfBurnsFan · November 10th, 2009, 07:55 PM

<shakes head>

We are north of the river.

WilfBurnsFan · November 10th, 2009, 07:57 PM

The old buildings are in the triangle created by 5, 3 and 9.

There's something a bit fishy going on there, mind.

***Newcastle Historian*** · November 10th, 2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnypd

the main office complex in the centre looks like newcastle civic centre but without the tower.

I actually (at first) thought that could have been Eldon Square . . but it isn't.

I am thinking that your 'fishy' clue points me in the direction of North Shields??

WilfBurnsFan · November 10th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Not Shields, sorry. Though the North Shields Plan of the 60s was quite an interesting one, being carried out by Messrs J. G. L. Poulson. Poulson's planner was called Max Tetlow, and far from being some hack, had previously been Chief Planner at the Ministry of Housing and Local Government. The plan sought to protect a lot of what was good about the environment of North Shields, and to build on clapped-out, underused backlands. I reckon he did quite a good job, and it's influenced the shape and appearance of Shields today.

WilfBurnsFan · November 10th, 2009, 08:26 PM

You can refresh yourself at no. 9, though (or rather because) it isn't what it was.

WilfBurnsFan · November 11th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Don't want to block the thread, so the answer is...

[IMG=http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9709/dscn4856.jpg][/IMG]

Whose next?

johnnypd · November 11th, 2009, 07:28 PM

holy shite. They wanted to do that to gosforth??

so i am guessing the reference to town hall is because gosforth was a separate authority back then?

WilfBurnsFan · November 11th, 2009, 07:33 PM

I think that by putting a new County Hall in Gosforth, Northumberland CC thought they would protect it from Newcastle expansionism.

***Newcastle Historian*** · November 11th, 2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilfBurnsFan

Don't want to block the thread, so the answer is...

[IMG=http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9709/dscn4856.jpg][/IMG]

Whose next?

Good Grief!!!!!

All of this passed me by somehow, it was a fair number of years before I became involved in such things, but I would have expected to have (at least) heard about it!

I think it must have died a very quick 'death' . . thank goodness.

Even with the street names on the second plan, I can hardly recognise the place! I "still" cannot associate it with the first plan . . what a total disaster it would have been.

EXCELLENT question though, WBF!!

WilfBurnsFan · November 11th, 2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

I think it must have died a very quick 'death' . . thank goodness.

Well, a couple of weeks after I found that cutting I was looking at the 'Roads' cuttings book in local studies at the new city library, and there was quite a bit on Gosforth in the early 1970s. The 'town plan' might have fallen by the wayside, but the road plan was still on the books, and had led to quite a bit of so-called planning blight, with people unable to sell property, unwilling to invest in or maintain it, etc. Then it was announced that that line of by-pass was dropped, leading to further uncertainty about a by-pass further east of the centre. I think it was the re-routing of the A1 through the Tyne Tunnel in 1975, and ... perhaps ... thye takeover of Gosforth by Newcastle from Northumberland a year earlier that finally killed the plan.

But the town plan is totally bizarre. Yes, Gosforth was suffering huge traffic problems. But this smacks of the US Army in Vietnam: "We had to destroy the village to save it". The surviving buildings: the two nonconformist churches opposite the shopping centre (Loch Fyne restaurant and the Trinity Church centre), and the post office (the Job Bulman pub). And, er, that's about it apart from that nice terrace of houses running to the south.

***Newcastle Historian*** · November 12th, 2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilfBurnsFan

Well, a couple of weeks after I found that cutting I was looking at the 'Roads' cuttings book in local studies at the new city library, and there was quite a bit on Gosforth in the early 1970s. The 'town plan' might have fallen by the wayside, but the road plan was still on the books, and had led to quite a bit of so-called planning blight, with people unable to sell property, unwilling to invest in or maintain it, etc. Then it was announced that that line of by-pass was dropped, leading to further uncertainty about a by-pass further east of the centre. I think it was the re-routing of the A1 through the Tyne Tunnel in 1975, and ... perhaps ... thye takeover of Gosforth by Newcastle from Northumberland a year earlier that finally killed the plan.

But the town plan is totally bizarre. Yes, Gosforth was suffering huge traffic problems. But this smacks of the US Army in Vietnam: "We had to destroy the village to save it". The surviving buildings: the two nonconformist churches opposite the shopping centre (Loch Fyne restaurant and the Trinity Church centre), and the post office (the Job Bulman pub). And, er, that's about it apart from that nice terrace of houses running to the south.

There are times when I wonder how 'anything' has survived, I really do! Let's hope we really have learned . . for the future. Hmmm??

Chatton11 · November 12th, 2009, 12:38 AM

Ha ha, in my mind I made the Loch Fyne- fishy link, but it didn't look like Gosforth, so I dismissed it

***Newcastle Historian*** · November 12th, 2009, 02:08 AM

C'mon johnny, your turn now!

Post that Tynemouth Priory one again, I might get it right this time!

johnnypd · November 12th, 2009, 02:34 AM

Hmmm.

What does Tyneside have to do with this artwork? There's two answers, one obvious and one not so obvious.

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November 10th, 2009, 05:57 PM	#21
toonlad Urban Environmentalist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Whitley Bay, nr. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK Posts: 1,542 Likes (Received): 12	Shieldfield... along Newbridge St?

November 10th, 2009, 07:03 PM	#22
*Newcastle Historian* Moderator and Archivist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 15,125 Likes (Received): 71	Well, looking at Number '8' on that model, the only places I know of called "County Hall" (specifically) are Northumberland County Hall, both when it was actually built in Northumberland (at Morpeth) and before that when it was in the 'City & County of Newcastle upon Tyne' (at the Vermont Hotel) - but I cannot see these plans as being for either of those areas. Now, I remember 'Cramlington New Town' at one point felt it should be the county town of Northumberland, rather than Morpeth, so those plans could have been from then (with a proposed 'County Hall') . . Now, you've blocked out the name of that 'number 9 building' - but I can't recognise that building at all! Then I thought . . and early 'Gateshead Town Centre' plan, but that wouldn't have had (the mentioned) County Hall in it, as Gateshead was in Durham in 1962, and its HQ was in Durham City. So, my last clue is the name of the newspaper (the Northern Echo) so I'm going for PETERLEE !!! (Wrong, I know!)

November 10th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#24
johnnypd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle/Edinburgh Posts: 6,088 Likes (Received): 8	the main office complex in the centre looks like newcastle civic centre but without the tower.

November 10th, 2009, 07:47 PM	#25
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	Not Shieldfield, or Peterlee, or Cramlington, or Gateshead. <Evil cackles> There's a pair of old buildings near the centre of the image.

November 10th, 2009, 07:53 PM	#26
johnnypd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle/Edinburgh Posts: 6,088 Likes (Received): 8	Washington then, with the old buildings being washington old hall?

November 10th, 2009, 07:55 PM	#27
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	<shakes head> We are north of the river.

November 10th, 2009, 07:57 PM	#28
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	The old buildings are in the triangle created by 5, 3 and 9. There's something a bit fishy going on there, mind.

November 10th, 2009, 08:20 PM	#30
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	Not Shields, sorry. Though the North Shields Plan of the 60s was quite an interesting one, being carried out by Messrs J. G. L. Poulson. Poulson's planner was called Max Tetlow, and far from being some hack, had previously been Chief Planner at the Ministry of Housing and Local Government. The plan sought to protect a lot of what was good about the environment of North Shields, and to build on clapped-out, underused backlands. I reckon he did quite a good job, and it's influenced the shape and appearance of Shields today.

November 10th, 2009, 08:26 PM	#31
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	You can refresh yourself at no. 9, though (or rather because) it isn't what it was.

November 11th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#32
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	Don't want to block the thread, so the answer is... [IMG=http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9709/dscn4856.jpg][/IMG] Whose next?

November 11th, 2009, 07:28 PM	#33
johnnypd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle/Edinburgh Posts: 6,088 Likes (Received): 8	holy shite. They wanted to do that to gosforth?? so i am guessing the reference to town hall is because gosforth was a separate authority back then?

November 11th, 2009, 07:33 PM	#34
WilfBurnsFan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 2,388 Likes (Received): 15	I think that by putting a new County Hall in Gosforth, Northumberland CC thought they would protect it from Newcastle expansionism.

November 12th, 2009, 12:38 AM	#38
Chatton11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 713 Likes (Received): 4	Ha ha, in my mind I made the Loch Fyne- fishy link, but it didn't look like Gosforth, so I dismissed it

November 12th, 2009, 02:08 AM	#39
*Newcastle Historian* Moderator and Archivist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 15,125 Likes (Received): 71	C'mon johnny, your turn now! Post that Tynemouth Priory one again, I might get it right this time!

November 12th, 2009, 02:34 AM	#40
johnnypd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle/Edinburgh Posts: 6,088 Likes (Received): 8	Hmmm. What does Tyneside have to do with this artwork? There's two answers, one obvious and one not so obvious.