REGINA - Multi-purpose stadium (33,000+)

[Jericho-79]

By the way- Will they have to knock down those two small buildings to the immediate right of the Brandt Center, in order to build the new stadium next to Elphinstone St?

[isaidso]

Btw, Edmonton was Alberta's largest metropolitan area up till very recently. Edmonton is the capital and home to the University of Alberta. Calgary gets the headlines due to its corporate power, but Edmonton's no slouch. Let's not forget that the Edmonton Eskimos routinely draw the largest crowds in the CFL.

[Jericho-79]

Do you guys think that once built, this new stadium will ultimately get naming rights like the current stadium does?

[carnifex2005]

Originally Posted by Jericho-79

Do you guys think that once built, this new stadium will ultimately get naming rights like the current stadium does?

It will have naming rights day one from some big company.

Here's a rendering from someone at the Riders fans board on how a 33,000 seat stadium that is expandable to 40,000 seats that is retractable roof ready...

[will101]

Originally Posted by carnifex2005

Here's a rendering from someone at the Riders fans board on how a 33,000 seat stadium that is expandable to 40,000 seats that is retractable roof ready...

So where would they put the additional 7,000 seats?

[carnifex2005]

Originally Posted by will101

So where would they put the additional 7,000 seats?

I'm guessing there the glass is. You'll see that it is recessed in. Anyways, it's just a mock up and isn't official. It was posted in the Canada stadium thread that the designers of the new Juventus Stadium will be doing this one.

[Calvin W]

That is the old proposal for the retractable roof stadium that was to be built downtown on the CP Rail land

There has been no info on the new stadium plan released yet.

[will101]

Sorry, I haven't been reading this thread religiously, and missed where there wasn't a final design yet.

[isaidso]

A stadium that's expandable to 40,000 seems really small for Regina. They put 55,000 in Mosaic the last time, and it will be about 50,000 next year.

[Sonrise]

Originally Posted by isaidso

A stadium that's expandable to 40,000 seems really small for Regina. They put 55,000 in Mosaic the last time, and it will be about 50,000 next year.

Yeah, I'm with you. I just don't understand this "minor league" mindset that dominates the CFL higher ups.

[will101]

It's really a simple concept: if you build slightly smaller than what you can fill, it increases demand, and ticket sales rise. Not only do they rise, but they sell sooner, and the team can put the money in the bank and draw interest. A team with 33,000 seats in this market will make a lot more money than it will with 45,000 seats. This is the same reason why the Forty Niners are building 68,500 seats instead of 80,000. And this is the reason why Farmer's Field will be 72,000 seats instead of 95,000.

[Sonrise]

Originally Posted by will101

It's really a simple concept: if you build slightly smaller than what you can fill, it increases demand, and ticket sales rise. Not only do they rise, but they sell sooner, and the team can put the money in the bank and draw interest. A team with 33,000 seats in this market will make a lot more money than it will with 45,000 seats. This is the same reason why the Forty Niners are building 68,500 seats instead of 80,000. And this is the reason why Farmer's Field will be 72,000 seats instead of 95,000.

That is a simple as well as simple minded concept. Here's another idea, put out a great product, market and advertise the heck outta said product and create the demand. No one is talking about 70k, but 45k is more then reasonable. 33k is what mid major D1A college teams in the states have. The CFL is a professional league, it's time to start acting like it; triple the salary cap, get rid of tracks around the stadium (Cut off endzone corners look so bush league) and sign some bigger name talent, which will in turn increase the tv broadcasting rights.

[carnifex2005]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

That is a simple as well as simple minded concept. Here's another idea, put out a great product, market and advertise the heck outta said product and create the demand. No one is talking about 70k, but 45k is more then reasonable. 33k is what mid major D1A college teams in the states have. The CFL is a professional league, it's time to start acting like it; triple the salary cap, get rid of tracks around the stadium (Cut off endzone corners look so bush league) and sign some bigger name talent, which will in turn increase the tv broadcasting rights.

This is why you'd fail as an owner. What will101 said is right and the is reason why the trend for the last 15 years is to make smaller stadium and not waste money on something that would be too large. 33k - 40k is easily good enough for Regina.

[Calvin W]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

That is a simple as well as simple minded concept. Here's another idea, put out a great product, market and advertise the heck outta said product and create the demand. No one is talking about 70k, but 45k is more then reasonable. 33k is what mid major D1A college teams in the states have. The CFL is a professional league, it's time to start acting like it; triple the salary cap, get rid of tracks around the stadium (Cut off endzone corners look so bush league) and sign some bigger name talent, which will in turn increase the tv broadcasting rights.

Where does said money come from? Tripling the salary alone will see every team running in the red. The CFL is a Pro league, yes. But it is not the NFL and never will be.

With your logic why isn't every stadium 50,000 capacity? Hel go for 60,000. Yep evry team should have no problem selling tickets for ten bucks a piece to put people in the stands....

[will101]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

That is a simple as well as simple minded concept. Here's another idea, put out a great product, market and advertise the heck outta said product and create the demand. No one is talking about 70k, but 45k is more then reasonable. 33k is what mid major D1A college teams in the states have. The CFL is a professional league, it's time to start acting like it; triple the salary cap, get rid of tracks around the stadium (Cut off endzone corners look so bush league) and sign some bigger name talent, which will in turn increase the tv broadcasting rights.

The president of the Forty Niners, Gideon Yu, is the former CFO of a couple of little Silicon Valley companies, called Facebook and YouTube. You might have heard of them. My guess is that his business knowledge is about 50 times greater than yours. He understands that there is a finite limit to the size of the market, and that spending an extra $200 million for 10,000 seats that might not get sold is foolish.

Yes, the CFL is a professional league, but Canada's population is 1/10th that of the US, and the CFL has always been in a struggle to survive. I know that a salary cap of under $5 million sounds tiny, but tripling it without any guarantee of increased attendance AND TV viewership is foolish.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by will101

It's really a simple concept: if you build slightly smaller than what you can fill, it increases demand, and ticket sales rise. Not only do they rise, but they sell sooner, and the team can put the money in the bank and draw interest. A team with 33,000 seats in this market will make a lot more money than it will with 45,000 seats. This is the same reason why the Forty Niners are building 68,500 seats instead of 80,000. And this is the reason why Farmer's Field will be 72,000 seats instead of 95,000.

I wasn't talking about its regular capacity, but it's expanded capacity. Most new football stadia in Canada are being built smaller than the existing demand, but with the capacity to expand substantially for the big games like the Grey Cup. It makes zero sense for the larger capacity in Regina to be 40,000 when its quite evident that the demand for those big games is far in excess of 40,000.

A Regina stadium should likely be 33,000+ permanent seats expandable to 55,000. 33,000+ expandable to 40,000 makes little sense.

[Sonrise]

Originally Posted by Calvin W

Where does said money come from? Tripling the salary alone will see every team running in the red. The CFL is a Pro league, yes. But it is not the NFL and never will be.

With your logic why isn't every stadium 50,000 capacity? Hel go for 60,000. Yep evry team should have no problem selling tickets for ten bucks a piece to put people in the stands....

TV revenue. If you get better "name" players, you get more money from broadcasting rights. Many people forget that in the 50's and 60's the NFL and CFL were equal and the CFL was averaging over 40k fans per game.

[Sonrise]

Originally Posted by will101

The president of the Forty Niners, Gideon Yu, is the former CFO of a couple of little Silicon Valley companies, called Facebook and YouTube. You might have heard of them. My guess is that his business knowledge is about 50 times greater than yours. He understands that there is a finite limit to the size of the market, and that spending an extra $200 million for 10,000 seats that might not get sold is foolish.

Yes, the CFL is a professional league, but Canada's population is 1/10th that of the US, and the CFL has always been in a struggle to survive. I know that a salary cap of under $5 million sounds tiny, but tripling it without any guarantee of increased attendance AND TV viewership is foolish.

Let's just say hypothetically that a name player like Larry Fitzgerald signed with BC. He immediately increases buzz, which allows the team to raise prices, advertising revenue and allows the league to demand more money from the networks. Do you think for a second that if the Argos signed Peyton Manning that he wouldn't immediately give the league much more cred, more eyeballs on the tv and that networks wouldn't be clamoring to pay for broadcasting rights? Plus now that NBC Sports Network and CBS Sports Network have openly said that they want to compete with ESPN, they need product. NBCSN is already broadcasting the CFL.

Think small time and you'll be small time.

[Calvin W]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

Let's just say hypothetically that a name player like Larry Fitzgerald signed with BC. He immediately increases buzz, which allows the team to raise prices, advertising revenue and allows the league to demand more money from the networks. Do you think for a second that if the Argos signed Peyton Manning that he wouldn't immediately give the league much more cred, more eyeballs on the tv and that networks wouldn't be clamoring to pay for broadcasting rights? Plus now that NBC Sports Network and CBS Sports Network have openly said that they want to compete with ESPN, they need product. NBCSN is already broadcasting the CFL.

Think small time and you'll be small time.

Have you not followed the CFL? This has been there done that a few times. Back in the 80's and 90's Toronto and other teams tried with big names all who turned out to be flash in the pans and not worth the money...

As for broadcasting rights, again you have not a clue... One or two players do not change sports, no matter how big of names. Sure TSN will renegotiate the broadcast rights for money if Manning moves to the CFL, NOT! Why would any business volunteer to pay more than their contract?

As for the US market, these pay per view channels will pay peanuts for tv rights, because that is what they are worth in the US.

Think CFL and you'll be CFL. That is what this league is and will be. You want it to be the NFL, move to the USA and cheer all you like.

[will101]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

Let's just say hypothetically that a name player like Larry Fitzgerald signed with BC. He immediately increases buzz, which allows the team to raise prices, advertising revenue and allows the league to demand more money from the networks. Do you think for a second that if the Argos signed Peyton Manning that he wouldn't immediately give the league much more cred, more eyeballs on the tv and that networks wouldn't be clamoring to pay for broadcasting rights? Plus now that NBC Sports Network and CBS Sports Network have openly said that they want to compete with ESPN, they need product. NBCSN is already broadcasting the CFL.

Think small time and you'll be small time.

Thinking big time without the increase in revenue and you'll be broke. Or in prison. The Lions are averaging 29,300 in a 55,000 seat stadium. You have to sell those other 26,000 seats for each game before you can even dream about raising prices. The entire CFL has only seven sellouts for the entire season so far. The NFL did better than that yesterday. That's why the NFL has a salary cap of $90 million and is profitable, while the CFL's cap is under five million and teams are struggling to not go under.