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Old September 29th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #5101
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If not mistaken, that's where Sg Damansara meets Sg Klang & where goods were taken off/loaded to the boats and carried by road to/from KL - and also if not mistaken, 'Damansara' means 'Landing Point/Jetty' in Malay !!!

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Thank you Sir.
Is it Sri Muda, Shah Alam to be exact?

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The area known as "Damansara" back then seems to be in the present-day Shah Alam, specifically the area around Damar Sara Police Station by the Klang River in the map, which was also called the landing place.
Transport by boats ended at the landing place and from there on by Damansara Road (the Good Road in the map) to KL.
That's why before there was any brick kilns, Brickfields' name was Batu Lima Blas (Damansara Road).
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Old September 30th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #5103
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Just noticed that 'Cheras' was originally just upstream of Kajang (& along the way to Ulu Langat tin mines) in this map - curious how it's now a lot closer to KL nowadays lor hehehe ???

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Old September 30th, 2017, 12:44 PM   #5104
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Is it Sri Muda, Shah Alam to be exact?
hard to pinpoint the exact location of the landing place because the course of Klang River has (been) changed over the century...
1882
but it's somewhere in Seksyen 23 Shah Alam.

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Old October 3rd, 2017, 03:11 AM   #5105
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hard to pinpoint the exact location of the landing place because the course of Klang River has (been) changed over the century...
1882
but it's somewhere in Seksyen 23 Shah Alam.

This is an interesting map that shows the original name of Damansara. Actually, the word "Damansara" has no meaning as it originated from a spelling mistake that occurred around 1890s when the British Resident, Sir William Maxwell, implemented Torrens system of land registration pursuant to the Selangor Registration of Titles Regulations of 1891. The error occurred when the land registrar mistook the letter "r" as "n", and wrongly merged the original two-word name of "Damar Sara" to "Damansara". The error is apparent as maps prior to 1891 (like this one) contained the original name "Damar Sara". There was an ancient stone jetty & landing area (pengkalan batu) in Damar Sara which was utilised as a tin mining post. It is in the vicinity of what is today Section 23, Shah Alam. A river north of Damar Sara was subsequently named after the wrongly spelt "Damansara" which became the origin of "Mukim Damansara" and the name of as many as 25 housing developments around Petaling Jaya and Kuala Lumpur, with copycats in Johor Bahru as well as in Kuantan. Unlike "Damansara", the original name "Damar Sara" has a specific meaning in old Malay and Sanskrit language. "Damar" is a type of resin obtained from a tropical tree. Whilst "Sara" means "precious" or "important" in Sanskrit.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 11:45 AM   #5106
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Wow! There are a lot of Malayan historians here.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 12:57 PM   #5107
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This is an interesting map that shows the original name of Damansara. Actually, the word "Damansara" has no meaning as it originated from a spelling mistake that occurred around 1890s when the British Resident, Sir William Maxwell, implemented Torrens system of land registration pursuant to the Selangor Registration of Titles Regulations of 1891. The error occurred when the land registrar mistook the letter "r" as "n", and wrongly merged the original two-word name of "Damar Sara" to "Damansara". The error is apparent as maps prior to 1891 (like this one) contained the original name "Damar Sara". There was an ancient stone jetty & landing area (pengkalan batu) in Damar Sara which was utilised as a tin mining post. It is in the vicinity of what is today Section 23, Shah Alam. A river north of Damar Sara was subsequently named after the wrongly spelt "Damansara" which became the origin of "Mukim Damansara" and the name of as many as 25 housing developments around Petaling Jaya and Kuala Lumpur, with copycats in Johor Bahru as well as in Kuantan. Unlike "Damansara", the original name "Damar Sara" has a specific meaning in old Malay and Sanskrit language. "Damar" is a type of resin obtained from a tropical tree. Whilst "Sara" means "precious" or "important" in Sanskrit.
ehm sir, between Kajang and "Ulu Langat" in the 1879 map above, do you know the history of that "Allakan Durian Tembayd" (as I read it)?

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just look at the atrocious spelling in this 1876 report of the Native States (long before the formation of Federated Malay States in 1895) by Swettenham,

Straits Times 5 Apr 1877

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The grand opening of the KL-Klang railway, at the first KL Railway Station (thatched roof), located on present-day Textile Museum. The stripes were actually red & yellow, according to contemporary news report. Bluff Hill in the background,

16 Sept 1886
From Sultan Abdul Samad, to his left: Frederick Weld the Governor of S.S, Lady Weld, J.P. Rodger the Selangor Resident, Yap Ah Shak the Kapitan China, and H.C. Syers the Superintendent of Police in front of the guards.
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with caption: St. John Headquarters was opened in February 1960 by the Sultan of Selangor and Lady Mountbatten

but the photo is the HQ in Singapore hmm...

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This seladang on display at the Royal Malaysia Police Museum is said to be the one that gored H.C. Syers to death in 1897,

snipe-shooting anything that moves in Malayan jungle was the favorite pastime among Europeans back then

The building of Royal Malaysia Police Museum in Venning Road used to be the Senior Police Officers' Mess from the 1910s.
H.C. Syers was buried in nearby cemetary,


I wonder what year the Venning Rd Protestant cemetary was taken over by the govt.
c.1890
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Old October 4th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #5112
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another morbid picture,

25-yr old Swettenham and 49-yr old J.W.W. Birch in 1875, the year the latter was assassinated.
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just look at the atrocious spelling in this 1876 report of the Native States (long before the formation of Federated Malay States in 1895) by Swettenham,

Straits Times 5 Apr 1877
You have to bear in mind though that at that time the Malay language was not yet 'Romanised' (it was written in the Jawi script only) and the British had to 'Anglicized' what they 'heard' from the Malay-speakers the names of the places, rivers, hills, etc... - that's why you see all the weird/atrocious place-names popping up in old maps lor hahaha !!!

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Thanks for sharing the photo. May I know where you got this photo from?


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The christening of Lady Weld, one of the locomotive engines, at the first KL Railway Station (on the site of present-day Textile Museum). Just thatch roof. The stripes were actually red & yellow, according to contemporary news report. Bluff Hill in the background,

18 Sept 1886
From Sultan Abdul Samad, to his left: Frederick Weld the Governor of Straits Settlements, Lady Weld, J.P. Rodger the Selangor Resident, Yap Ah Shak the Kapitan China, and H.C. Syers the Superintendent of Police in front of the guards.
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ehm sir, between Kajang and "Ulu Langat" in the 1879 map above, do you know the history of that "Allakan Durian Tembayd" (as I read it)?


"Allahan durian tembayd" is a transliteration of an Arabic word ألحان دورين تمبيد which means "comprising of two roles" or "dual purpose". I do not think it is a name of a place. Perhaps descriptive of the available transport (a road running alongside a river) which would allow cargo to be transported on a barge pulled by workers and/or buffalo along the adjacent road. This 1879 map contains jawi & arabic handwriting which may have been copied from the original map which existed before the Klang Civil War (1867-1874). Judging from the Arabic transliteration I believe the original copy was once used by Sayyid Mashhur bin Muhammad Al-Shahab a.k.a Syed Mashhor, a Hadhrami (Yemen) descent who became Sultan Abdul Samad's adviser in 1861. At that time Sultan Abdul Samad only controlled Langat mining area. During the Klang Civil War, Syed Mashhor defected and sided with the rebellious Klang territorial chief Raja Mahadi who did not recognise Sultan Abdul Samad's rule.
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wow you're good sir.
Swettenham stayed in Sultan Abdul Samad's Langat house in Bandar Termasa (as he spelled it) for a year, in 1874/1875, while the Sultan himself resided in the istana on Parselar Hill (Bkt Jugra), before being called to assist J.W.W. Birch in Perak in 1875.

But this Bandar Temasha, "Langat" in the 1882 map, is shewn across the river from the hill, i.e. in Pulau Carey. What do you think sir?

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Thanks for sharing the photo. May I know where you got this photo from?
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You have to bear in mind though that at that time the Malay language was not yet 'Romanised' (it was written in the Jawi script only) and the British had to 'Anglicized' what they 'heard' from the Malay-speakers the names of the places, rivers, hills, etc... - that's why you see all the weird/atrocious place-names popping up in old maps lor hahaha !!!

you're right sir.
The obvious hadn't crossed my mind -- Malays only read/write in Jawi unless they're educated in an English school.

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as a concerned citizen,
1. there have been dispute saying this picture was in Klang, not KL.
2. If this was the first KL Railway station, Bluff Hill wouldnt be in this pic, Bukit Mahkamah or Bukit Petaling would be much more in line.

Im not saying i dont agree with you or whoever wrote the description from the archive




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The christening of Lady Weld, one of the locomotive engines, at the first KL Railway Station (on the site of present-day Textile Museum). Just thatch roof. The stripes were actually red & yellow, according to contemporary news report. Bluff Hill in the background,

18 Sept 1886
From Sultan Abdul Samad, to his left: Frederick Weld the Governor of Straits Settlements, Lady Weld, J.P. Rodger the Selangor Resident, Yap Ah Shak the Kapitan China, and H.C. Syers the Superintendent of Police in front of the guards.

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another thing that we can identify from this picture is, standing holding a long keris (bright sampin, on the left of Sultan Abdul Samad is no other than Syed Mashoor, a very prominent name in the Klang War / Selangor Civil War.


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From Sultan Abdul Samad, to his left: Frederick Weld the Governor of Straits Settlements, Lady Weld, J.P. Rodger the Selangor Resident, Yap Ah Shak the Kapitan China, and H.C. Syers the Superintendent of Police in front of the guards.
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