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Old October 24th, 2017, 05:05 PM   #21
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Siguro yung Airport Express Train niya ay like N700 Series ng Shinkansen
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Hindi ah. Same as MTR Airport Express.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 03:16 AM   #23
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so highspeed ba? or normal a train lang?
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Old October 25th, 2017, 11:07 AM   #24
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Feeling ko normal train lang, nasa 100-120kph. Naging airport express lang kasi limited stops tapos around 1hr from Clark to Manila. Pero somehow, mabilis na din yun di lang considered high speed.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 02:10 PM   #25
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This will be a mix operation of AER, Limited, Commuter and PNR North Long Haul Intercity...
Whoa, all I read from the recent JICA studies were Commuter and AER. Meaning, subway cars with longitudional seats, and slightly more luxurious subway cars with forward/backward facing seats. That's it. Design speed 120kph ~ 160kph so translated to real world operating speed (usually less 40kph) = 80kph ~ 120kph. Tapos in the Build website North 1 and North 2 are just the Commuter leg and the Clark leg. Is PNR North Long Haul still a go, but in the backburner? Will this be Japan or China (a complement/continuation of South Long Haul)? I could see this not coming to fruition for a long time because unlike Bicol Express it wasn't operating recently (sure they need to widen and re-rail Bicol Express route but theres less junk obstructing it compared to North route which is practically nonexistent now. Plus you have to consider SCTEX and Pangasinan-La Union expressway are pretty good.

What I want, and this is what tourists expect of an intercity train:


What we'll probably get (Sri Lankan DMU example since our beloved Vice President just loves citing Sri Lanka and Chinese infra as example) with wire gauze mesh:


But we may say "Oh, it's Japan, it'll be quality!" Remember infrastructure is localized to current conditions. The overcrowded cans rumbling all throughout India are Bombardier and Siemens trains! So I'm pretty sure even if we get Hitachi trains they'll be a far cry from what they offered in Europe.

My hope since the Clark route is designed to be fully elevated, fully electrified, that will keep the Pinoy litter off the rails so we can afford to have really nice trains. But if there's a future North Long Haul then how the South Long Haul turns out will be an accurate prediction of how this will become.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 03:55 PM   #26
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I will be happy with 120 kph EXPRESS Manila/Clark Airport train with maybe 1 or 2 stops in between. They can go or cruise faster than the commuter train. Of course express will be more expensive. It's a matter of scheduling trips - airport express, commuter, regional. High speed rail as in 200 min kph will be overkill at this stage.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:11 AM   #27
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so highspeed ba? or normal a train lang?
Basta ganito ung takbo
Parang MTR Airport Express.

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Same lang sa Delhi Metro Airport Express.

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elevated ba lahat kasi kung tutuban dadaan yan expect baka may maghagis ng diaper sa train
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:53 AM   #30
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elevated ba lahat kasi kung tutuban dadaan yan expect baka may maghagis ng diaper sa train
Yes, Fully Elevated po
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thank God.. walang mag babato ng diaper sa train
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Old October 26th, 2017, 08:57 AM   #32
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Clark is envisioned to be the new Government Center but the main CBD will always be inside Metro Manila. Clark will have its own CBD but it will be 30 to 50 years (if ever) before it comes to the level of Manila CBDs. Businesses will still be in Manila and I’m sure the premier airport. Look at Brasilia, Canberra, etc.


And anyone who has lived in Brasilia and Canberra will tell you that it's miserable
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clark ay magiging putrajaya.. gov't seat.. kaya tama lang itong railway na ito
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And anyone who has lived in Brasilia and Canberra will tell you that it's miserable
Or Ottawa etc. These are seats of gov't where the main driver of economic activity is the government.

1. Manila remains the capital of the PH, Makati remains the financial capital.
2. Clark is not carved out of a jungle or ricefields. It is already developed and beside it is a thriving city called Angeles, with over 1 m people.
3. Clark is already has an economic, industrial zone where relocators are, plus aviation services. The main economic activity will be in the industrial zone and aviation.
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And anyone who has lived in Brasilia and Canberra will tell you that it's miserable
Washington DC. Miserable?
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Or Ottawa etc. These are seats of gov't where the main driver of economic activity is the government.

1. Manila remains the capital of the PH, Makati remains the financial capital.
2. Clark is not carved out of a jungle or ricefields. It is already developed and beside it is a thriving city called Angeles, with over 1 m people.
3. Clark is already has an economic, industrial zone where relocators are, plus aviation services. The main economic activity will be in the industrial zone and aviation.
Agree. Manila is and will be always known as the Philippine capital. But again I see Clark as a not so far extension of the capital. Manila needs to decongest and decentralize and I would love Clark to pioneer it.
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LoL... Pre Hispanic rival Kingdoms were found in Manila & Tondo built fortified palisades near the mouth of the Pasig... Spanish Manila is centred on Intramuros was the capital for 400 years and Escolta was the financial district... Then the American Architect Burnham planned Rizal Park as the political centre & Escolta remained as the business centre.. Quezon City was next designated and planned as the next center where all government agencies offices were supposed to occupy the Triangles surrounding the Quezon Memorial Circle...there were 2 stock exchanges (Manila & Makati) until it got consolidated into the Philippines Stock Exchange (2 trading floors: Ayala in Makati & Ortigas in Pasig to transfer to new building - BGC in Taguig)... It will be a matter of time if PSE will transfer to Clark or how soon the local & foreign banks & multinational businesses will follow to the much improved new Clark Green City with the existing international airport in Clark & sea port in Subic as docking for international Cruiseships...

Trains won't solve the problem of urban decay, over crowding, crimes... Manila's fast train connections will not require for the whole population to transfer just for the legislative branch (senate & congress currently in 2 separate places), executive branch (not only the president's office but the secretaries of the departments & bureaus), judiciary (but planned to transfer to BGC)... Manila will be relegated as the suburban area where cheaper residential areas will accomodate the work force who will travel twice daily to run the Clark Green City...

High speed trains will reduce the travel time, wasted effort/time/ energy stucked in traffic with resulting loss in revenues... It will give quality time for self & family life and more time to pursue other interests or hobby... 3 hours stuck in traffic times 20 working days in a month = 60 hours lost in traffic per month... 720 hours in stuck in traffic a year... 30 days a year wasted in traffic...

With Vehicles such as open type jeepneys subjecting the population to pollution resulting to respiratory problems or more prone to illness, unproductive work force more prone to hospitalisation incurring expensive hospital bills, even non smokers will develop Asthma or Emphysema just by inhaling pollutants & heavy metals and more children born with increasing congenital birth defects.. So electric trains are cleaner & more efficient...reasons why Europeans & East Asians live longer quality lives... They have efficient trains, clean air, less stress, food are delivered fresh from farms via trains...
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LoL... Pre Hispanic rival Kingdoms were found in Manila & Tondo built fortified palisades near the mouth of the Pasig... Spanish Manila is centred on Intramuros was the capital for 400 years and Escolta was the financial district... Then the American Architect Burnham planned Rizal Park as the political centre & Escolta remained as the business centre.. Quezon City was next designated and planned as the next center where all government agencies offices were supposed to occupy the Triangles surrounding the Quezon Memorial Circle...there were 2 stock exchanges (Manila & Makati) until it got consolidated into the Philippines Stock Exchange (2 trading floors: Ayala in Makati & Ortigas in Pasig to transfer to new building - BGC in Taguig)... It will be a matter of time if PSE will transfer to Clark or how soon the local & foreign banks & multinational businesses will follow to the much improved new Clark Green City with the existing international airport in Clark & sea port in Subic as docking for international Cruiseships...

Trains won't solve the problem of urban decay, over crowding, crimes... Manila's fast train connections will not require for the whole population to transfer just for the legislative branch (senate & congress currently in 2 separate places), executive branch (not only the president's office but the secretaries of the departments & bureaus), judiciary (but planned to transfer to BGC)... Manila will be relegated as the suburban area where cheaper residential areas will accomodate the work force who will travel twice daily to run the Clark Green City...

High speed trains will reduce the travel time, wasted effort/time/ energy stucked in traffic with resulting loss in revenues... It will give quality time for self & family life and more time to pursue other interests or hobby... 3 hours stuck in traffic times 20 working days in a month = 60 hours lost in traffic per month... 720 hours in stuck in traffic a year... 30 days a year wasted in traffic...

With Vehicles such as open type jeepneys subjecting the population to pollution resulting to respiratory problems or more prone to illness, unproductive work force more prone to hospitalisation incurring expensive hospital bills, even non smokers will develop Asthma or Emphysema just by inhaling pollutants & heavy metals and more children born with increasing congenital birth defects.. So electric trains are cleaner & more efficient...reasons why Europeans & East Asians live longer quality lives... They have efficient trains, clean air, less stress, food are delivered fresh from farms via trains...
The country's main financial district won't transfer to Clark mind you. And why would the PSE transfer to Clark if all of the major financial institutions and conglomerates' head offices are in Metro Manila? Do you think they would transfer to Clark just because of the Clark Green/New City? They would want to remain in Metro Manila because all economic activities are here. The best examples would be New York City (economic capital) and Washington D.C. (political capital) (USA), Kuala Lumpur (economic and legislative capital) and Putrajaya (administrative capital) (Malaysia), Brasilia (political capital) and Sao Paolo (economic capital) (Brazil), Beijing (political capital) and Shanghai(economic capital) (China), Ottawa (political capital) and Toronto (economic capital), Canberra (political capital) and Sydney (economic capital), Berlin (political capital) and Frankfurt (economic capital) (Germany), Rome (political capital) and Milan (economic capital) (Italy), Riyadh (political capital) and Jeddah (economic capital) (Saudi Arabia), Abu Dhabi (political capital) and Dubai (economic capital) (UAE), New Delhi (political capital) and Mumbai (economic capital) (India), Hanoi (political capital) and Ho Chi Minh City (economic capital) (Vietnam).

Clark Green/New City will grow on its own, it will be self sustaining as it will be a part of an existing metropolis (Metro Angeles). If the government decides to move the executive department ala Putrajaya to Clark Green/New City, then I'm all for it. It will streamline the executive department as all of their offices are in close proximity with each other. This is one reason why the PNR Manila-Clark Railway is needed aside from serving the passengers of Clark Airport and being a commuter railway also for Bulacan and Pampanga.
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manila - financial capital (majority of commercial districts)

clark (new gov't seat of power). industrial type) factories , etc will be based... clark to manila railway will make it happen
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