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Old May 8th, 2018, 04:07 PM   #1121
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facadism is extremely common throughout most 'historic ' cities in europe, I think its great, get to maintain beautiful streets and developers can change the internal layout to whatever they want to make the building more economically viable for them for what ever purpose they want it to be for
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Old May 8th, 2018, 04:14 PM   #1122
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I don't like that kind of facadism shown in the Melbourne example. You might as well demolish the building as far as I care then. I don't think that should be seen as an alternative to properly preserve it.
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Old May 8th, 2018, 05:09 PM   #1123
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Renovation [Mariahilfer Gürtel]

District: 15th Rudolfsheim-Fünfhaus
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Old May 8th, 2018, 05:12 PM   #1124
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Old May 8th, 2018, 08:01 PM   #1126
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Renovation + Rooftop Extension [Marchfeldstraße 21]

District: 20th Brigittenau

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Old May 9th, 2018, 01:35 PM   #1127
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Demolition [Karolinenhof // Jedleseer Straße 75]

District: 21st Floridsdorf

Demolition of an art nouveau building (approved // 2018):





Renderings of the "replacement" are not available yet...

The building is next to the Karl-Seitz-Hof (social housing // Red Vienna):







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Old May 9th, 2018, 01:57 PM   #1128
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I must say I think the replacement is quite decent looking, and possibly just because its a bit run down maybe but the old building is very depressing looking
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Old May 9th, 2018, 03:44 PM   #1129
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thats due to the careless rooftop extension. the old building is aestheticly vastly superior to the replacement. it is a terrible loss.
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Old May 10th, 2018, 01:17 AM   #1130
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Brussels really..? I tried looking on google maps..by randomly dropping the street view all over the entire city in all different districts, and it seems like a very well preserved city especially in areas off the main boulevards with entire preserved streets..which parts are you referring to that were lost? Because from a foreign visitors eyes it has significantly more preserved heritage than the average city!
My own city only had a handful of bombs dropped on it in WW2 and still demolished 60% of all buildings that existed before 1945 and we are still to this day filling in gaps in the urban fabric due to so much 60s-80's 'slum clearance' so it could be a lot worse lol. Brussels still has tens of thousands of stunning old buildings, I mean what else could you ask for! every city on earth has lost a relatively significant part of its historic core. Thankfully most european cities are still recognisable as their old selves, while many american and south american and asian and australian cities look as though they were settled during the 60's and have only but a sparse few remnants of their beautiful past's


Also , urban planning in the UK was much much worse than anything ever inflicted upon Brussels. All major british cities bar london and edinburgh suffered catastrophic social and cultural losses thanks to 60's planners who demolished divided and dissected communities with absurdly unnecessary spaghetti bowl motorways

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Old May 10th, 2018, 04:13 AM   #1131
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For my taste, Vienna is too old and I am expressly in favor of demolishing old houses in Vienna, as long as they are replaced by stylish new buildings and in their ground floors stylish cafes and boutiques find their way.

If the project "Bauernmarkt 21" really be built as high quality as in the picture, then I am glad for Vienna. An extravagant building form with a light-flooded, stylish glass front for a hopefully great eatery. I would wish for more from Vienna and you should demolish more old houses for such modern projects.

Only a city ready to tear down old ones to reinvent itself remains alive.
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Old May 10th, 2018, 10:41 AM   #1132
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For my taste, Vienna is too old and I am expressly in favor of demolishing old houses in Vienna, as long as they are replaced by stylish new buildings and in their ground floors stylish cafes and boutiques find their way.

If the project "Bauernmarkt 21" really be built as high quality as in the picture, then I am glad for Vienna. An extravagant building form with a light-flooded, stylish glass front for a hopefully great eatery. I would wish for more from Vienna and you should demolish more old houses for such modern projects.

Only a city ready to tear down old ones to reinvent itself remains alive.
Thats not true. Some of the most architecturally innovative cities on earth have strict heritage conservation and create interesting modern architecture outside their old town core, such as amsterdam. On the other hand, I consider cities that neglect and destroy heritage under a short sighted and ignorant mindset that tries to mimic other plastic megacities to be complete cultural backwaters
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Old May 10th, 2018, 12:16 PM   #1133
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Only a city ready to tear down old ones to reinvent itself remains alive.

That's an opinion. And here is the universal truth about opinions:
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Old May 10th, 2018, 12:22 PM   #1134
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Completed [Liniengasse 36]

District: 6th Mariahilf
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Old May 10th, 2018, 12:22 PM   #1135
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Brussels really..? I tried looking on google maps..by randomly dropping the street view all over the entire city in all different districts, and it seems like a very well preserved city especially in areas off the main boulevards with entire preserved streets..which parts are you referring to that were lost?

This is, I'm afraid, a very naïve way of studying the world's ills. Travel by Google Earth is a great thing but it has real limits, if only that you don't get a measure of the noises and the smells in the streets...
You should at least read this article for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusselization. The plight of Brussels has been well documented. Things have gotten better recently, there is no doubt about that, but what has been senselessly destroyed is lost.
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Old May 10th, 2018, 12:33 PM   #1136
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This is, I'm afraid, a very naïve way of studying the world's ills. Travel by Google Earth is a great thing but it has real limits, if only that you don't get a measure of the noises and the smells in the streets...
You should at least read this article for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusselization. The plight of Brussels has been well documented. Things have gotten better recently, there is no doubt about that, but what has been senselessly destroyed is lost.
Well I know from hearing from people who visited the city that brussels has problems with being 'boring' (in many peoples opinions, but I think it looks nice) and also massive traffic issues but the poster was saying specifically that brussels historical buildings are few and far between when there clearly is quite a vast historical fabric remaining
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Old May 10th, 2018, 12:45 PM   #1137
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Well I know from hearing from people who visited the city that brussels has problems with being 'boring' (in many peoples opinions, but I think it looks nice) and also massive traffic issues but the poster was saying specifically that brussels historical buildings are few and far between when there clearly is quite a vast historical fabric remaining
Brussels is not boring and it has many nice buildings, especially churches, left. But it is true and simply a fact that the name of the city has become a byword for "insensible modernization". People who call Brussels boring, btw, are generally either from Paris or enamoured with Paris. I've heard the same kind of people call Milano "ugly"...
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Old May 10th, 2018, 01:17 PM   #1138
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Old May 10th, 2018, 02:57 PM   #1139
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Some nice pics of the Viennese skyline

Sunrise Vienna Skyline by Robert F. Photography, auf Flickr

Vienna, warm & cold by Efrain Rodriguez, auf Flickr

chillen an der alten donau by Gerhard Haindl, auf Flickr

Good afternoon Vienna! by kareszzz, auf Flickr

night owls by Stefan Baumann, auf Flickr

Wien / Vienna by Stephan Rudolph, auf Flickr

"Hundertwasser" Müllverbrennungsanlage Wien by Tamás Péter, auf Flickr

Window Count by Michael Dittrich, auf Flickr

RFL_9031 by Robert F. Photography, auf Flickr

Beč / Vienna 2015. by Milan Z81, auf Flickr
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Summary of highrise-projects:

175m DC Tower 2 [2019 - 2022]
167m Danube Flats [on hold]
155m Forum Tower [2018 - 2020]
145m Handelskai 100 [on hold]
145m Handelskai 100 [on hold]
137m Austro Control Zentrale [2018 – 2020]
136m Marina Tower I [2018 - 2020]
130m Waterfront Handelskai [on hold]
126m Althangrund [competition]
126m MGC Plaza I [2019 - 2021]
120m DC Tower 3 [2018 - 2020]
120m Viertel Zwei Plus Tower [2020 - 2022]
116m GATE II [on hold]
115m MGC Plaza II [2019 - 2021]
114m TrIIIple I [u/c]
110m TrIIIple II [u/c]
110m Monte Laa I [on hold]
110m Forum Home [2018 - 2020]
105m ASA Tower [on hold]
104m MGC Plaza III [2019 - 2021]
101m TrIIIple III [u/c]
100m Monte Laa Residential [u/c]
100m Marina Tower II [on hold]
95m Nordbahnhof Tower I [competition]
90m Viertel Zwei Plus II [2020 – 2022]
88m HoHo Vienna [u/c]
88m The Icon Vienna [u/c]
82m Hochhaus Dresdner Straße [2019 – 2021]
82m Muthgasse [competition]
80m Nordbahnhof Tower II [2025]
80m Nordbahnhof Tower III [2025]
80m Nordwestbahnhof I [2025]
80m Nordwestbahnhof II [2025]
80m Nordwestbahnhof III [2025]
80m Nordwestbahnhof IV [2025]
75m Nordbahnhof Tower IV [2025]
66m Hotel Interconti [on hold]
66m Nordbahnhof Tower V [competition]
65m My Sky - Monte Laa [u/c]
65m Quartier Belvedere Centrale [u/c]
61m The Icon Vienna II [u/c]
60m Nordbahnhof VI [competition]
60m Park Apartments am Belvedere 1 [u/c]
60m Park Apartments am Belvedere 2 [u/c]
60m Park Apartments am Belvedere 3 [u/c]
60m Park Hotel am Belvedere [u/c]
60m Komet Hochhaus [on hold]
60m The Metropolitan [2019 - 2021]
60m Living Schweizergarten [2018 – 2020]
60m DC Flats [2020 - 2022]
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