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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #1
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Thought I'd create a thread which is more like a blog. A thread where we can talk about ALL things ALL projects and ALL buildings past and present.

Each week I (or someone else if they want to) will come up with a theme and we will discuss it until the next week.

So this week's theme is...

THE TOP 10 UPCOMING PROJECTS FOR GEORGE STREET

What do you think are the 10 biggest/most important/most impressive/most urgent project's for our premier street?

If I had to rank them I would say...

1/Sydney Light Rail

- Will change the way the whole CBD functions
- Will improve air and noise pollution
- Will remove the conga line of buses that dominate the street at peak periods
- Will help make George Street more attractive to cyclists and pedestrians
- Will encourage people to linger and spend in the city

2/City One

- What is lacks in height it more than makes up for in design excellence, improved station access/egress and a cleaning up of the George Street frontage.

3/1 Alfred Street

- Not strictly on George Street however it is on an intersection with (so close enough!). 1AS will be part of the reinvention of upper George Street and deliver a quality tower to the city's front door.

4/Town Hall Square

- Though details are sketchy, the square has the potential to plug Sydney's lack of a major civic space at the heart of the city. A place for people to sip coffee, watch major events on an LED Screen, visit an art gallery, browse the markets or just people watch. The possibilities are endless

5/200 George Street

- Up at the Quay with 1AS, 200 George is a great looking tower that will help breath some street level life back into the top end of George Street. Just need Mirvac to hurry up and officially release their plans...

6/333 George Street

- Fantastic filler that is part of the greater reinvigoration of the Wynyard precinct (with City One). Great opportunity for an international brand to open a flagship store, thus expanding the retail core and further enhancing George Street as Australia's pre-eminent shopping street (this claim is reliant on a few other projects being completed too).

7/Gowings Redevelopment

- A new 196 room hotel on George Street in the heart of the city. When's the last time that happened? Due to open in August 2012 the scaffolding has been torn down and the Gowings Building looks great. Topman/Topshop are also opening to capitalise on what is perhaps the best retail corner in Australia (yes that's a subjective claim).

8/383 George Street

- Another filler that will get rid of some grimy, ugly horrors next to McDonalds. Whilst the tower itself is no 1 Alfred/200/333 George/City One, it will be a big improvement on what is there currently, it will provide a mid block link between George and York and it will provide more space for another flagship retailer (refer to last sentence under 333 George). The balcony on the top of the podium has great potential for a restaurant chain (Vapiano?) or an after work drinks spot.

9/472 George Street

- Not a fan of this (thankfully) small towers design AT ALL, however it does present an opportunity to clean up what has become a rather tacky part of George between Gowings and the Hilton.

10/Facade Works - QVB and Town Hall

- Whilst this mighn't seem like much, it will be odd for Sydneysiders to see Town Hall covered in scaffolding the way the QVB is now. Goodbye Vivid Sydney, goodbye Christmas lighting...for a couple of years anyway.



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I agree with you on the light rail! It will be sooo good to get rid of the air/noise pollution and what I envision will be a great street transformed from a thoroughfare to a busy plaza. Although what happens when there is a parade down George Street? + They will develop the 80's looking area surrounding Town Hall? It really doesn't flatter the hall or St Andrews Cathedral...
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i reckon leave the monorail track and use as high walkway track. place plastic 2m high parapet and it would be a cool way to get around town. no charge just walk.
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I've seen plans in the past for Town Hall Square but to no fruition.. What's that projects status? It'd be on the Woolworths site correct?

Whilst there will be benefits reaped - I can see it becoming yet another area which won't be allowed to be overshadowed... Same with planned Railway Square - I doubt we'll see any taller development there like we hope for.
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i reckon leave the monorail track and use as high walkway track. place plastic 2m high parapet and it would be a cool way to get around town. no charge just walk.
I like the idea, but having visited the High Line in NYC in October, I fear this will be a try hard version of it. I would need to see some specs on how wide it will be and what could be done with landscaping/art etc because that really does make it. The Cahill expressway would be an ideal spot
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:07 AM   #6
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I think the old monorail track is way too narrow to be converted into a usable walkway. Cities that have facilitated these rail conversions have used former heavy-rail lines that are much wider. The narrow Sydney proposal looks like a glorified suburban pedestrian overpass that you find near schools.

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La promenade plantée is great and it has been some years since I was last there, but from memory I remember thinking it had eradicated any memory of the rail line and whilst it is beautiful, just felt like a park walkway. What I like about the Highline is that when you walk along you are very much aware that trains used to occupy the site with sleepers, track still in place for parts of the walk.
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Looking forward to lightrail going from Town Hall to Randwick via Oxford St, that'll be easier than catching a bus or walking.
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I think a random type discussion thread is a fab idea. Really encourages people to let out their views in a less confronting setting.

My top ten on this weeks topic George Street are:

1. Light rail/reintroduction of trams in George Street

Hopefully this goes some way to undoing the wrongs of the past (taking trams off the city streets in the first place.

2. Making George Street more pedestrian friendly.

The light rail work will open up that opportunity to allow people to claim control of George Street.

3. Town Hall Square

Personally I'm not the biggest fan of it because it removes much needed commerical space from the Sydney CBD unless they can compensate for that loss. I do understand why its needed in terms of a city site for people to gather and congregate. The Town Hall area/Sydney Square is a traditional meeting point, whether its for formal or informal gatherings. How many of you arrange to meet people around there when you are in town?

4. Tackling anti social behaviour

George Street is fairly safe by day. When the sun goes down, its another story as the hordes gather at the licenced establishments for a night of boozing. Obviously there needs to be some regulation of licenced establishments in terms of enforcing responsible service of alcohol, police presence etc. I think there needs to also be incentive to allow greater variety of uses of George Street shopfronts at night. I'd like to see a greater presence of restaurants and cafes, which would cater for those who want to take it easy and have a good night out in the process. I'd like to see some cultural activities encouraged at night.

5. Cityone

Obviously this is the most important building project along George Street. Its not just building an office tower, but rather a major upgrade of one of Sydney's busiest railway stations. It is long overdue and will cater to the numbers expected to use the station in the years ahead. It will also give the financial district a major retail complex, which is badly needed.

6. Gowings Hotel development

Great to see a new high end hotel opening right in the centre of Sydney and in such a lovely building too.

7. 1 Alfred Street

High end residential living bordering the citys main street. It will become one of the worlds great addresses.

8. Redevelopment of the Energy Australia Tower (Sydney County Council Building).

I think its one of the better examples of 1960's architecture in Sydney, but it does have the potential for a biggie to be built on the site. Culwulla has made mention of its possible potential and I think he would be the right person to elaborate on it.

9. 383 George Street Office Tower.

A nice, modern tower to replace a non descript set of buildings with good quality retail space.

10. 200 George Street

I think its a promising project. Obviously more information is needed but certainly will be classier than what stands there now.
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i reckon leave the monorail track and use as high walkway track. place plastic 2m high parapet and it would be a cool way to get around town. no charge just walk.
Are you crazy? The monorail rail is so thin barely 2 people can walk comfortably past each other on it. It would be an embarrassingly lame attempt to replicate the high line.

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I agree with you on the light rail! It will be sooo good to get rid of the air/noise pollution and what I envision will be a great street transformed from a thoroughfare to a busy plaza. Although what happens when there is a parade down George Street? + They will develop the 80's looking area surrounding Town Hall? It really doesn't flatter the hall or St Andrews Cathedral...
But that's just what I love about George Street it's big city aggressiveness and frenetic activity of cars and people. Turning it into a big Martin Place will dullify the street.
I would like Town Hall Square though, Sydney is missing a cool cultural place to chill like Federation Square. A place to sit around with a screen to see random clips and watch the street performers.
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Yeah I'm not really a fan of keeping the monorail line and reusing it as a pedestrian/cycle track. Even raising the idea of it being a shared pedestrian and cycle track makes you wonder...

It would be a nightmare to police, could be dangerous for those on and under it and will do nothing to improve the aesthetics of the city. How would they maintain the ''grass'' with people running and/or riding over it? What benefit does it provide to people in the city?

If the monorail is going to be removed, the whole track should be demolished. The station platforms are a different story...
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Are you crazy? The monorail rail is so thin barely 2 people can walk comfortably past each other on it. It would be an embarrassingly lame attempt to replicate the high line.



But that's just what I love about George Street it's big city aggressiveness and frenetic activity of cars and people. Turning it into a big Martin Place will dullify the street.
I would like Town Hall Square though, Sydney is missing a cool cultural place to chill like Federation Square. A place to sit around with a screen to see random clips and watch the street performers.
Sounds like Darling Harbour or Pitt St Mall to me..
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Neither of them are cultural though.

Imagine a Town Hall Square lined by bars/cafes/restaurants like an Italian piazza but with a modern twist (LED screen) and a cultural venue (art gallery). I think it would be fantastic!
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Sounds like Darling Harbour or Pitt St Mall to me..
Sort of, Darling Harbour and Circular Quay are pretty good for these purposes but are more about enjoying the sites and dining. You should take a look down in Melbourne and see how much better Federation Square is as a social meeting place for random people, and for comedy acts and street performances. The large screen is for fun videos and special events like Australia Day etc.
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George Street Transformation


Sydney’s senior leaders back City plan to fix George St
Sydney’s most senior leaders have thrown their weight behind the City of Sydney’s plan to pedestrianise George Street (between Bathurst and Hunter Streets) as part of the introduction of light rail.
The Australian National Retailers Association (ANRA) and The Committee for Sydney – whose members represent the most significant organisations across all sectors – today urged the NSW Government to work in close partnership with the City to improve Sydney and help shape its future.
Lord Mayor Clover Moore said the City’s plan to increase retail space, improve the movement of people across the city centre and transform the pedestrian, shopping and dining experience in George Street would ensure Sydney kept in step with other global cities such as London, New York and Paris.
Margy Osmond, CEO of ANRA and the City of Sydney’s Retail Advisory Panel, said: “Retailers will already be taking the prospect of an attractive pedestrianised George Street via the proposed development, into their business plans for the coming years.
“We are now seeing investment in high quality retail as befitting a global city of Sydney’s stature and we want to see even more.
“Retailers will be looking to the State Government to make a rapid decision on this issue so they can move forward with their plans for development, which the whole city will benefit from.
“We look forward to working with the Government and the Council to create a central business district with the hum of shopping, entertainment and the vibrant feel of other world cities.”
Committee for Sydney CEO Chris Jordan said: “Central Sydney needs to work more effectively and efficiently if the rest of the city is going to work.
“Light rail and more space for pedestrians has internationally resulted in cities which are more attractive for employment, and there is no reason why Sydney shouldn't be any different."
The Lord Mayor said: “We want Sydney to be an easy city to get around in – for the millions of motorists, bus passengers, cyclists and pedestrians who are in our city every day.
“Right now congestion is crippling Sydney and it’s not going to get any better unless we radically rethink the way our city works and how people move around.
“Sydney is Australia’s international gateway for business and tourism - it’s essential we have a world class transport system to support our strong and growing economy and attract international conferences and events.
“George Street is the backbone of our city and it needs an urgent make-over if it is to deliver on its potential.
“Running every two minutes, trams will integrate with buses and CityRail trains, reliably moving thousands of people across the city every hour without today’s noise and delays.”
The City of Sydney is supporting the NSW Government in bringing light rail to George Street with $180 million to double the amount of space for pedestrians, upgrade public squares, add new street trees and information signage, introduce innovative public art, street furniture and revitalised laneways.
After consulting extensively with all property owners along George Street over the past 12 months, the City has developed a plan and new animation which provides a glimpse of a future George Street connected by a fast and efficient light rail system at the heart of a transformed city centre.
Feedback including retaining access to buildings as well as access for delivery vehicles and taxis on George Street has been incorporated as part of the plan.
Major global retailers including Paspaley Pearls, and Ipoh, who have flagship stores in George Street, warmly welcomed the transformation plans.
General Manager of the Paspaley Global Retail Group, Richard Broug, said: “George Street has a long way to go before it can claim to be Sydney’s premier street and a world class thoroughfare – presently the amount of heavy traffic on George Street detracts from the great shopping boulevard it could become.”
Victor Gaspar, Group General Manager of Ipoh - which manages the QVB and owns the Strand Arcade and The Galeries on George Street – added: “We welcome continual investment and development of the Sydney CBD as such efforts will attract more visitors, keep the city vibrant and increase the city’s appeal.”
Central Sydney contributes a quarter of NSW’s GDP, and eight per cent of the Australian economy.
But congestion is holding back productivity, costing businesses and residents across Sydney $3.7billion a year. This is expected to rise to $7.8 billion by 2020.
The City is holding a free, public Transforming Sydney City Conversation hosted by the Lord Mayor in Sydney Town Hall from 6.30pm on Monday (May 21). A panel of industry representatives from transport, tourism, retail, property and small business will explore how light rail, laneways, retail and night time activity will revitalise the heart of our global city.
Sydney's congestion and transport woes are steadily worsening, leaving our city centre choked and unappealing.
To get Sydney moving again, the City is working with the community and government to bring light rail to George Street, and to restore the heart of our City as a great place to visit, live, work and do business.
We are Australia’s only global city. Sydney is the gateway to Australia’s tourist industry. The City of Sydney services the needs of over one million people who live, work and visit our City every day.
George Street is the backbone of Sydney, stretching from Central to Sydney Harbour.
It is the heart of Australia’s financial, educational and tourist industry. The inner city contributes almost a quarter of the State’s GDP.
But our growing population, and the under-funding of public transport over many years by state governments, has strangled traffic, led to crowded footpaths and unbearable noise.
Why light rail for George Street?
The City of Sydney has a unique opportunity to contribute to the NSW Government’s light rail project and transform George Street into a world-class main street, worthy of Australia’s only global city.
We have offered to work with the NSW Government by committing $180 million to the light rail project. The City will fund new pedestrian spaces, new information signage, upgraded public squares, new street trees and innovative public art. We will provide much needed breathing space in the heart of the City.
Light rail will unlock Sydney’s potential and strengthen George Street as a transport corridor. Modern trams will reliably and comfortably move thousands of people every hour - without the noise and delays.
Running every two minutes, trams will make connections to buses and CityRail trains fast and hassle-free. Wide footpaths and car-free blocks will make walking faster, safer and easier, and provide new opportunities to enjoy Sydney’s climate by dining outside.
Areas of George Street will be pedestrianised between Hunter and Bathurst Street, with local access maintained for all buildings with driveways from George Street.
East-west roads will remain open to all vehicles with local access maintained for delivery vehicles and also taxis servicing the Hilton.

George Street will offer a simple and user-friendly way to get between key attractions - from the Rocks and Circular Quay to the City's retail heart and on to Chinatown. Light rail will also link our world-class hotels to the planned new Sydney Convention and Exhibition Centre.
A better functioning George Street
Transforming George Street will bolster Sydney’s position as an innovative city able to attract new investment and a talented workforce.
Our plan for George Street is fully budgeted and has been warmly welcomed by leading businesses who are currently being held back by the congestion, noise and pollution.
We need to take decisive action now to support the additional 300,000 people we expect in Sydney each day by 2030.
We anticipate there will be another 1,800 buses on our roads every day to service our growing population.

Congestion will choke our city if we do nothing. Residents, workers and visitors already make over a million trips to, from and within the city every day, and this will keep on growing.

We need a coordinated approach to transport to keep Sydney moving. We want to work constructively with the NSW Government to make it much easier for people to move in and around our City.
Connecting our City

The City of Sydney has released a forward thinking report ‘Connecting our City’ which outlines a number of targets that complement the NSW Government’s State Plan transport targets.
The City's targets include the following:
A five per cent reduction in public transport travel time to the city by 2020;
Reduced pedestrian delays at the city’s 20 most important intersections by 10 per cent;
Improved speed of on-street public transport by 10 per cent by 2015;
Sufficient on-and-off street loading capacity for commercial vehicles;
An eight per cent increase in public transport capacity by 2015 and 35 per cent by 2036;
10 per cent of local trips by bike and 50 per cent by walking by 2030;
All major land-use developments to have approved and funded transport plans by 2015.

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/D...sformation.asp
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One site with huge potential is Event Cinemas. Would love to see a new tower here, with a new, improved cinema/entertainment complex.
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Yep Event Cinemas site has a lot of potential. The frontage to George is very bland and the storefronts aren't exactly appealing.

I'd like to see The Galeries given a big facelift. It is a decent centre now but it could be a lot better! The pedestrianisation of George Street, construction of Town Hall Square and removal of the monorail line put The Galeries at the centre of change in the CBD.
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It is interesting how they formulated it! I knew they would have to allow east to west traffic + had a small chuckle when I saw the Woolworth building in the animation!
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This week's topic;

RANK YOUR 5 FAVOURITE SYDNEY BUILDINGS

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Here are mine. I do love my modernist boxes :- D

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