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Old December 29th, 2018, 08:53 PM   #1
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Greater Icknield Regeneration

This thread will cover the holistic regeneration of Greater Icknield, which is an area of 324 hectares (ha) bounded by City Road, Winson Green Road, Pitsford Street, Icknield St and includes City Hospital, Edgbaston Reservoir and part of the City Centre.


This is Birmingham's largest brownfield housing led redevelopment proposal and includes 60 ha of new development opportunities.


Overall, there are plans to build over 3,000 homes, a new secondary school, a new swimming pool, create 1,000 jobs, improve the retail offer and enhance walking, cycling and public transport routes to the city centre.



Some useful links : -

Greater Icknield Masterplan : -
www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/download/165/greater_icknield_masterplan


Greater Icknield and Smethwick Housing Growth Prospectus : -
http://www.wmca.org.uk/media/1695/ic...ectus-1016.pdf


Edgbaston Reservoir Masterplan : -
www.jonsheaff.co.uk/edgbastonreservoirmasterplan/


Urban Splash Port Loop : -
www.urbansplash.co.uk/regeneration/projects/port-loop


Port Loop thread : -
www.skyscrapercity.com.showthread.php?t=559740&page=6


Soho Wharf thread : -
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1840336


Infirmary Wharf thread : -
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1982277


Embankment thread : -
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1799829


Former Hermatic Rubber Factory site thread : -
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2144362


'Avery Fields', City Road/Rotton Park Road, Persimmon Homes : -
www.persimmonhomes.com/avery-fields-10601



I shall update this post with additional links as and when available.
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Old December 30th, 2018, 02:40 AM   #2
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The Main Opportunities : -


1) Icknield Port Loop : -

There are some discrepancies over the size of the site and the number of new homes to be built.

Some sources suggest 22 hectares (54 acres), whilst others suggest 17.5 hectares (43 acres).

Urban Splash has outline planning for up to 1,150 homes at Port Loop (Phase I is underway) whereas the Greater Icknield Masterplan says 1,400 homes will be built at Icknield Port Loop. This is because the latter refers to the Port Loop site, plus a site at Icknield Square and a site at Osler Street. However, the site at Osler Street includes a small site which already has planning for 301 apartments so this takes the total well above 1,400.

What we do know is that there will be many new homes along with a 1 acre park, a swimming pool and potentially a hotel. Port Loop will also include the 'Tubeworks Hub' which will be 100,000 sqft of former industrial space to be used as a social, community and cultural hub.


2) City Hospital : -

The total site is 20.64 ha, but 11.1 ha will be developed for residential when the hospital closes and the new Midland Metropolitan Hospital opens in Smethwick.


3) Soho Loop : -

Galliard Homes/Apsley House Capital are planning to redevelop the site for 750 homes, the vast majority of which will be apartments. A planning app is due shortly. Again, there are discrepancies over the size of the site with some sources saying 3.2 ha or 3.9 ha which is around 7.5 acres and others saying about 12 acres.


4) Ledsam Street : -

This time there is agreement that the site is 3.4 acres, but suggestions are that either 190 or 210 homes could be built here in a mixture of refurbished and new buildings. Other uses may be included in this gateway site to Brindley Place.


5) Waterworks Road : -

The former Severn Trent depot will see a mixture of new build and refurbishment to create 75-100 homes close to Edgbaston reservoir.


6) Western Road and Spring Hill Industrial Areas : -

Established industrial sites, 3.4 ha at Western Road and 7 ha at Spring Hill, will see further employment growth encouraged and supported.


7) New Secondary School : -

Proposed new secondary school of up to 1,500 places is to be built next to Nelson Junior and Infant School on a 0.8 ha site between St Marks Crescent and St Vincent St.



Additional Future Opportunities (from the Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment 2018) : -

The Square, Ryland Street, could see an office to residential conversion including 98 homes. Planning App No 2017/05868/PA

The former Brasshouse Centre, on Sheepcote Street, with potential for 50 homes.

A 1 hectare site at 38 Heath Street South, next to Soho Loop, part BCC owned, with a capacity for 50 homes.



Completed Sites : -

Chamberlain Gardens at Monument Road/Cawdor Crescent, Edgbaston, via Birmingham Municipal Housing Trust (BMHT) 45 2/3/4 bed homes (27 houses 18 flats) (23 Social Rent 22 Open Market Sale). Planning App No 2012/07863/PA.

'Embankment', St Vincent St, a development of 92 apartments at the 0.5 hectare former Richard Lorne House for PRS via the city council's INReach. Planning App No 2015/00687/PA.

'Avery Fields', City Road/Rotton Park Road, Persimmon Homes, 116 2/3/4 bed homes (98 houses for open market sale, 9 flats for shared ownership, 9 flats for rent). Planning App No 2015/02982/PA

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Old December 31st, 2018, 05:48 PM   #3
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Greater Icknield Regeneration | Housing | Employment | Connectivity | Retail | Community Facilities

Why is it called Greater Icknield?

What I mean by this is why does it have a greater before it name?
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Because its Icknield and its surrounding area.
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Because its Icknield and its surrounding area.


If that the case they should of done the same for Birmingham lol
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If the main opportunities to improve the area are taken to their max, this area will see almost as significant a change as the wider Perry Barr area will see with the Commonwealth Games.

What we also need to see before this regeneration initiative is concluded is a massive change in the council estates in Ladywood. There's big chunks of disused green along the Middleway which could see a lot of infill development from BMHT to help deal with the shortage of social housing in Birmingham or the wider area could be redeveloped with a Park Central type development that involves the demolition/refurbishment of the existing blocks of flats.

My preference would be to see the estates flattened and replaced with a high density mixed use, mixed tenure development but, if that's not possible, BMHT/INReach could do some similar developments to 'Embankment' along the Middleway which could create maybe 500 or more new homes.
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If the main opportunities to improve the area are taken to their max, this area will see almost as significant a change as the wider Perry Barr area will see with the Commonwealth Games.



What we also need to see before this regeneration initiative is concluded is a massive change in the council estates in Ladywood. There's big chunks of disused green along the Middleway which could see a lot of infill development from BMHT to help deal with the shortage of social housing in Birmingham or the wider area could be redeveloped with a Park Central type development that involves the demolition/refurbishment of the existing blocks of flats.



My preference would be to see the estates flattened and replaced with a high density mixed use, mixed tenure development but, if that's not possible, BMHT/INReach could do some similar developments to 'Embankment' along the Middleway which could create maybe 500 or more new homes.


Iíd definitely be in favour of a Park Central mixed community here. I donít understand why the council havenít made this the objective for all the council/housing association estates around the ring road. We can see how successful Park Central has been.
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Would have thought this would have been a good opportunity to include a rail station. With the line running straight through the middle and a load of residential housing being added, with plenty of space to include one. Get our city a little better connected, as our transport is shocking.

Or are there issues with doing that?

But happy this area is getting done up anyway.
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Iíd definitely be in favour of a Park Central mixed community here. I donít understand why the council havenít made this the objective for all the council/housing association estates around the ring road. We can see how successful Park Central has been.
The redevelopments would create far more attractive communities for people to live and invest in, plus the increased density and higher priced homes would bring in a higher return on council tax for BCC.
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Would have thought this would have been a good opportunity to include a rail station. With the line running straight through the middle and a load of residential housing being added, with plenty of space to include one. Get our city a little better connected, as our transport is shocking.

Or are there issues with doing that?

But happy this area is getting done up anyway.


Fabulous idea Hugh. We talked about this on the Port Loop thread some months ago and couldn't really come to a conclusion as to where the best location for the station would be. The nearest station on this line to the city centre is Smethwick Rolfe St so I would be looking at somewhere that the thousands of new residents around Dudley Road and Port Loop could benefit from.


There's a one hectare site at the junction of Dudley Road and Heath St South which would be ideal for a lot of the residents in the new homes. Perhaps a site at the junction of Ladywood Middleway and Cope St would be ideal but it may be too close to the city centre.


Someone also suggested a site on Aberdeen St if I remember correctly. Maybe a second station should be built close to the new hospital. You've also got over 2,000 new homes being built/planned for Smethwick as part of a regeneration initiative for the area, many of which will be family homes so the local population will increase dramatically over the next ten years.


For me, a station close to Soho Loop and Icknield Port Loop with a second station close to the new hospital would be ideal.
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Just realised, a new station at the junction of Ladywood Middleway and Cope Street would be good for the pupils of the new secondary school. Ideal for people visiting the new swimming baths or any other facilities in the Port Loop development. Anyone visiting Edgbaston Reservoir would find it useful too.
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Aberdeen Street looks like a good location to me. Otherwise perhaps directly opposite Iknield port loop.
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Aberdeen Street looks like a good location to me. Otherwise perhaps directly opposite Iknield port loop.

Where are you thinking KH? For me, Ladywood Middleway/Cope Street is my favourite as for reasons explained above. I still think a second station should be closer to the new hospital than Aberdeen Street but Aberdeen Street would work.
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Some great ideas and some excellent thinking about why and the benefits.
However how do we get these ideas into the thinking of transport bosses?
Would a start be the consultations for Twm mentioned in one of the other threads?
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Some great ideas and some excellent thinking about why and the benefits.
However how do we get these ideas into the thinking of transport bosses?]
Would a start be the consultations for Twm mentioned in one of the other threads?

Firstly, I think you're right about the consultations. Be as honest as possible when doing them. Don't shy away from expressing what you think.


Secondly, I think writing to local MPs and contacting local councillors is also good. Perhaps even sending letters on the topic to local papers and maybe starting up some dialogue in the papers. Maybe contacting some local community website so as to bring it in to their consciousness.


And finally, Andy Street. He's a man who I think could help sway it, especially with the current government.
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Some great ideas and some excellent thinking about why and the benefits.
However how do we get these ideas into the thinking of transport bosses?
Would a start be the consultations for Twm mentioned in one of the other threads?
I feel that a trick is definitely being missed here.

It looks as though there used to be at least three tracks on the section alongside the canal, and for much of its length everything on the other side of the tracks is now being demolished.

So there was definitely an opportunity to provide two new tracks for local services and to construct a station serving all the new housing on both sides of the canal. When there are so many plans to extend local passenger services, this seems a disappointing missed opportunity - particularly when there are long-term aspirations in the 30-year plan to four-track the entire route between Coventry and Wolverhampton.

All that would have been necessary for now would have been to reserve the space for whenever the money was available to do it.
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Maybe the wrong thread, but to go with these ideas posted above, and to assist with the Commonwealth Games, the line could become a ‘circle’ loop. From the suggested new stations at Greater Icknield, where the line splits near the prison, you could have trains going back towards the city. Add in a Winson Green stop by the tram stop to help integrate the transport network better, and add in a stop somewhere near Handsworth Park, before swinging round to Perry Barr, Witton, Aston and Duddeston then into New Street. Have this as a service every 15 minutes to go alongside the current service that stops at Perry Barr every 30 minutes.

I know capacity at New St alongside money are two big issues, but just thought I’d put it forward.
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There are no retail centres in the Greater Icknield Area in the draft Birmingham Urban Centres Framework but you can still comment on whether the Dudley Road centre should be one of the centres included in the draft.


www.birminghambeheard.org.uk/economy/urbancentres/


With all the proposed new housing to come in the area, the shopping area along Dudley Road needs to improve its retail offer. I'm surprised it hasn't been included in the draft framework so I'm going to suggest they do include it. Maybe others on the forum agree with me.
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Was having a look at historical tram maps, there was a line that passed from New Street, down what is now Suffolk Street Queensway, onto Bath Row, along Islington Row Middleway, Past Five Ways and finally terminating in 'Ladywood' which is located on Icknield Port Road next to Edgbaston reservoir.

Given that this are is a railway desert, if a station can't be sited on the line from New Street to Wolverhampton, do we think a tram extension from Fiveways up towards Icknield Port Road an on to the Midland Metropolitan Hospital and beyond is a future possibility?
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Was having a look at historical tram maps, there was a line that passed from New Street, down what is now Suffolk Street Queensway, onto Bath Row, along Islington Row Middleway, Past Five Ways and finally terminating in 'Ladywood' which is located on Icknield Port Road next to Edgbaston reservoir.

Given that this are is a railway desert, if a station can't be sited on the line from New Street to Wolverhampton, do we think a tram extension from Fiveways up towards Icknield Port Road an on to the Midland Metropolitan Hospital and beyond is a future possibility?

Good shout jon. My answer is YES!

What I'd say is with over 5,000 new homes planned in the Greater Icknield and Smethwick area over the next 10-15 years, many of which will be family homes, is there a possibility we could see a new railway station and a tram line out to the new hospital? Perhaps the tram line stands a better chance of happening than the railway station.
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