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Old November 22nd, 2010, 05:55 PM   #41
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A mi me preocupan dos cosas:

*El avión además de su endémica demora, viene pasadito de colesterol lo cual ha sembrado dudas en los clientes de lujo (osea las aerolíneas Árabes). No recuerdo bien el dato .... pero se hablo que la versión 800 tendría un rango equivalente al del A330.

En concreto la cifra que recuerdo es que las versiones tempraneras del B787 saldrían con un rango de 6800 nm Vs 7200 nm del A330 HGW. La ventaja para el A330 es que es un producto probado ...... y cuesta menos que el B787.

*La segunda que me preocupa es que (es lo que se dice en los blogs de entusiastas de Seattle) el rendimiento en la quema del combustible cumple para los ensayos realizados en tierra y en las pruebas estáticas de GE y RR .... pero ya montado en el pajarraco disminuye bastante lo que supuestamente delataría algún problema de tipo aerodinámico en el diseño .... o simplemente pasaría factura por el sobrepeso del avión.

Bonus para Boeing --> Los costos de operación del Dream si serían más competitivos que los del A330, pero nuevamente se queda corto en capacidad de carga Vs al A330

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Con todo este quilombo, las aerolíneas están cada vez más presionadas pues sus planes de crecimiento se han visto afectados. Los que han hecho negocio son los de Blended con la venta de los winglets para B767, Airbus con las ventas de su A330 y A350 y los partistas de mobiliario para renovaciones de interiores en los aviones más viejos.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 05:56 PM   #42
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Increible todo lo k han pasado con este proyecto, se estan buscando la cancelacion de muchos pedidos y por supuesto mas demanda a Airbus..
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:20 AM   #43
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Se acaba la paciencia de los clientes de Boeing con el 787, hasta sus mas incondicionales clientes se están quejando.

Boeing delays disappoint
Mon, 29 Nov 2010 7:35

The head of Japan's All Nippon Airlines has voiced "great disappointment" at repeated delays by Boeing in delivering its hi-tech 787 Dreamliner, a report said Monday.

ANA, Japan's second largest airline after troubled Japan Airlines, is to be the launch customer for the Dreamliner, which features a lightweight part-carbon composite structure for greater fuel efficiency.

But the project has suffered a number of setbacks, including a fire on a test flight this month.

ANA was supposed to get the first of the 55 Dreamliners it has ordered more than two years ago but as a result of the delays has had to revise its fleet retirement plans, the Financial Times reported.

"We are pushing them to present the detailed cause of the irregularities," said ANA's chief executive Shinichiro Ito, referring to this month's fire. "We are pushing Boeing to present the schedule for the delivery as soon as possible."

Asked whether ANA regretted ever ordering the jet, Ito responded: "Never! It's a dream!

"Of course we have a great disappointment about the delay but our top priority is to have an excellent fleet."

Boeing was forced to halt test flights of the 787 this month after the fire involving an insulation blanket prompted an emergency landing.

Ito also said he was optimistic about final results for the year to March 2011 after two years of losses.

"Six billion yen (71.39 million dollars) is our minimum target," he said.


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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:29 AM   #44
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Mi Ala!! Ha recibido algún tipo de información acerca del performance del avión? En algunos blogs se habla que la actividad realizada hace un tiempo en las alas incremento el peso del avión .....

Saluos cordiales!!
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:34 AM   #45
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Este Proyecto Dreamliner cada día se parece más a la Historia de Macdonel Douglas y el MD11 el cual tuvo sendos Retrasos, No Cumplió sus Prestaciones y Rendimientos en su estreno y luego cuando sacaron la Versión ER Mejorada ya tenían en B777; Sera que le pasara lo mismo al B787 que cuando tengan el producto Listo y Depurado de Fallas ya este el A350 con todos los clientes en la Bolsa. Todo esto es tan interesante y se parece tanto a la historia de MD haber que pasa como dice el dicho: “Quien no recuerda su Historia pasada está condenado a Repetirla” será que el mismo Yugo que hizo a Boeing el Fabricante Numero uno en el Mundo sea el Mismo que lo Condene, está claro que Boeing le ira pedir ayuda al Tío Sam pero este últimamente no anda creyendo en Iconos ni pasiones Americanas, le ha bajado el Pulgar a Ford, Pontiac Etc. Es realmente incierto el futuro de Boeing Airbus le come día a día el mercado. Otro tema más que nos tiene atentos.

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Old November 29th, 2010, 08:50 AM   #46
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Mi Ala!! Ha recibido algún tipo de información acerca del performance del avión? En algunos blogs se habla que la actividad realizada hace un tiempo en las alas incremento el peso del avión .....

Saluos cordiales!!
JuanPa: Antes del refuerzo de los wingbox el avión ya tenia sobrepeso, el arreglo solo lo aumento, desde entonces no se han molestado en decir como le van a quitaro como le han quitado esas toneladas de mas que tiene.

Se esta hablando que el rango va a quedar en los primeros ejemplares en 13.500 km, muy por debajo de lo prometido, el 332 HGW ya esta en 12.800 y cuersta mucho menos.

Hay que esperar que Boeing publique las cifras definitivas para saber como sale, por ahora Aermexico y otras compañías siguen preocupadas con el tema, muchas han decidido postergar sus entregas cambiando sus ordenes a la versión -900 antes que recibir lo que les quieren entregar.


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Old November 29th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #47
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Yo creo que el Dreamliner va ser un excelente avion, tiene mas de pedidos para muchas lineas aereas, el avion es nueva tecnologia como que esta fabricado con fibra de carbon y no con aluminio como los actuales entre otras.

Seguramente sera el rey del transatlantico en un futuro tal como lo fue el 767.

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Old November 29th, 2010, 05:59 PM   #48
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Bueno, Boeing no esta quedando muy biuen con este proyecto, ya a estas alturas los de ANA deberian de estar operando..
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Old November 30th, 2010, 02:45 PM   #49
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todavia me acuerdo cuando Boing se burlaba de lo los retrasos del programa del A380.. Como pecas pagas!!!
Boeing nunca se burlo de los retrasos, al igual que Airbus nunca se ha burlado.

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Old November 30th, 2010, 05:56 PM   #50
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Ya vamos a ver los retrasos de los A350's
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Old November 30th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #51
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Y con este son tres clientes principales que ya no aguantan mas dilaciones, que va a hacer Boeing y sobre todo cuanto le va a costar?

China Eastern considers canceling 15 787s
By Katie Cantle and Geoffrey Thoma
November 29, 2010


China Eastern Airlines is considering canceling its order for 15 Boeing 787s owing to the aircraft program's continuous delays, according to a CEA insider. "Most probably we [will] cancel," the source told ATW. "We are negotiating with Boeing about choosing [a] replacement aircraft type…now."

The cancellation would be another blow for the troubled Dreamliner program, on which flight testing was indefinitely suspended following a Nov. 9 inflight fire that began as either a short circuit or an electrical arc on the P100 electrical panel, according to Boeing. The manufacturer is widely expected to delay first delivery to ANA, currently slated for the 2011 first quarter, by another six to nine months (ATW Daily News, Nov. 22).

On Nov. 24, Boeing said it was developing "minor design changes" to power distribution panels on the 787 and updates to the systems software that manages and protects power distribution on the airplane. It added that a revised 787 program schedule "is expected to be finalized in the next few weeks."

Bernstein Research has moved its projection for the first delivery of the 787 back six months to August 2011 and forecasts that Boeing will only deliver eight aircraft in 2011 instead of the 29 it had planned. Bernstein believes that Boeing will deliver 61 787s in 2012, 78 in 2013 and 107 in 2014.

CEA placed its Dreamliner order in 2005. Its wholly owned subsidiary, Shanghai Airlines, also has nine 787s on order; it is unclear whether CEA will cancel SAL's 787 orders in addition to axing its 15.

CEA is planning an aggressive expansion of international services starting next year, and had planned to facilitate the growth in part through the addition of the15 Dreamliners. It ordered 16 Airbus A330s at the end of last year (ATW Daily News, Jan. 6) to ensure it could expandeven if the 787s arrived later than expected. The A330s are expected to be delivered from 2011-2014. CEA General Manager Ma Xulun told ATW the carrier will operate the aircraft on routes to Europe.

Chinese carriers have ordered a total of 57 787s, including 24 by CEA/SAL, 15 by Air China, 10 by China Southern Airlines and eight by Hainan Airlines.


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Boeing nunca se burlo de los retrasos, al igual que Airbus nunca se ha burlado.

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Juanchito si lo hizo cuando Airbus tuvo los retrasos con el A-380 y de que manera, la sorna que había en las declaraciones de los VP de Boeing cuando les tocaban el tema era mas que evidente, pero como la vida da algunas vueltas aquí los tienes callados y sin musitar palabra, y el de ellos se ha convertido en un novelón bién largo.


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Juanchito si lo hizo cuando Airbus tuvo los retrasos con el A-380 y de que manera, la sorna que había en las declaraciones de los VP de Boeing cuando les tocaban el tema era mas que evidente, pero como la vida da algunas vueltas aquí los tienes callados y sin musitar palabra, y el de ellos se ha convertido en un novelón bién largo.


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Gracias por la aclaracion, no acuerdo realmente de esos episodios.

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BUEEEEENOOOOO, ta fea la cosa..
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Old December 1st, 2010, 03:04 PM   #55
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Gracias por la aclaracion, no acuerdo realmente de esos episodios.

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Old December 7th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #56
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Primer acuerdo de Compensación entre Boeing y una Aerolínea que se hace público.

AI finalises $840m compensation package from Boeing
5 DEC, 2010, 04.25PM IST,PTI


MUMBAI: State-run Air India is finalising a $840-million compensation package, which the airline is seeking from US aircraft maker Boeing for the inordinate delay in the delivery of Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

The package would be a mix of both discount in services and cash, a senior official said here.

"Compensation is a mix of different services discount and money, " Air India Chief Operating Officer, Capt Gustav Baldauf, told PTI here.

The package is being finalised, Baldauf said. Earlier, Air India Chairman and Managing Director Arvind Jadhav confirmed to PTI that the airline had sought $840-million from Boeing for the delay.

Air India had ordered 27 Dreamliners, but Boeing failed to supply those planes by the scheduled time.

Air India had placed orders for 111 aircraft at an investment of over 13-billion with Airbus and Boeing in 2006 to replace its ageing fleet and leased planes.

The supply of Dreamliners was a part of these orders. As per the original delivery schedule, Boeing was to start deliveries of these planes from September 2008.

However, it failed to meet the timeline due to issues with its vendors and industrial dispute with the workers.

The Company has now rescheduled the delivery to second quarter of 2011.

Last year, Jadhav had told a Parliamentary Panel that Boeing had agreed to pay USD 145-million as compensation against USD 710-million worked out by the national air- carrier.

Air India Board in its last meeting on November 18 had reportedly rejected an offer from Boeing on compensation.


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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:12 AM   #58
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bueno sigue fea la cosa con el B787
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Old December 13th, 2010, 06:13 AM   #59
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Extra Four-Month Delay For Boeing 787Dec 10, 2010
By Guy Norris


First deliveries of the delayed 787 may be pushed back until June or July 2011 as a result of last month’s electrical fire on ZA002, a report in French newspaper Les Echos claims.

The report says the news was relayed by Boeing executives to Air France officials at a delivery ceremony for one of the airline’s Boeing 777-300ERs yesterday at Everett, Wash. A broader suggestion in the report of a likely “mid-summer” delivery target would indicate a roughly four-month program slide from the existing schedule, which still officially calls for initial delivery in mid-February 2011.

Boeing has acknowledged the systems redesign and certification issues created as a result of the Nov. 9 electrical fire incident in Laredo, Texas, effectively rendered this target unachievable, but the airframer has yet to identify a revised delivery target date. Asked about the Les Echos report, Boeing says, “We continue to assess our schedule and will announce a new schedule when that work is complete.”

The report goes on to say that Boeing engineers have identified “possible solutions” to the problems with the flawed response of the electrical system and control software following a short circuit or arc caused by a suspected loose washer or some other small foreign object inside the P100 main power distribution panel.

The Les Echos report says Boeing and its Hamilton Sundstrand-Zodiac partners on the electrical system aim “to complete corrections by the end of the year to resume test flights in January, and lead to certification in June.” However, it adds that Boeing must obtain clearance from the FAA before resuming flight tests.

In the meantime, more information is emerging about the specific areas of damage and the precise location of the fire behind the P100 panel. This structure takes the electrical power generated by the left engine and distributes it to power vital systems. The panel, which is about 3.5 ft. tall, is located about 1 ft. below the passenger floor in the aft electronics bay just behind the wing. It contains electrical boxes, including control units, circuit breakers and relays.

Forensic evidence from the fire damage pinpoints Contactor CK2435505, one of two in the P100 panel, as the source of the ignition. The contactors are electrical control boxes that relay the power from the generators on the engine and distribute it as needed. They open circuits or close as power needs fluctuate. Contactor CK2435505, on top of the panel, was “melted” according to a leaked Boeing engineering report, while the lower contactor, CK2421501, suffered “extensive fire and smoke damage to backside.”

Fire from the contactor burned a hole between 12 and 15 in. long in the back of the P100 panel, and badly charred the adjacent fuselage insulation blanket material, which effectively did its job in preventing burn-through to the interior of the 787’s primary composite fuselage skin structure.


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Boeing raises aircraft prices 5.2%, cancels short-haul 787
December 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM
By Susanna Ray - Bloomberg News

Boeing is raising aircraft prices by about 5.2 percent, the first increase in two years, and dropping the short-haul version ...


Boeing is raising aircraft prices by about 5.2 percent, the first increase in two years, and dropping the short-haul version of the 787 Dreamliner.

Higher costs for wages, goods and services are driving the price boost, said Boeing spokesman Jim Proulx. He confirmed the changes made to the price list on Boeing's website Monday, as well as the withdrawal of the 787-3 variant.

Boeing's last price increase, an average 2.6 percent boost, was for 2008, Proulx said. Prices were raised 5.6 percent in 2007. Most carriers and leasing companies get discounts.

"If I were an airline, I'd be reading this as a message that Boeing thinks it can get higher prices because demand is rising and supply is limited, but you'll still have the usual discussion over discounts," said Rob Stallard, an analyst at RBC Capital Markets in New York.

"Boeing and Airbus deeply discount to airlines, so theoretically they could raise list prices and boost the discounts, and it would all be the same," he said.

Boeing and rival Airbus are pushing production rates to records to work through a seven-year backlog of orders from carriers seeking to expand and refresh their fleets with more fuel-efficient jets. Demand is recovering this year after dipping in 2009 amid the recession.

In an upbeat 20-year outlook issued Monday, Airbus said it expects the international aircraft industry will recover faster than expected.

It predicted a global need for about $3.2 trillion in new passenger and freighter planes from all manufacturers over the next 20 years. That translates to nearly 26,000 aircraft, up slightly from a forecast for 25,000 planes valued at $3.1 trillion.

With Boeing's latest price increases, the average price for the smallest Boeing jet, the single-aisle 737, is about $71.4 million, up from about $69.3 million. The 777's list price rose to about $258.2 million from $246 million.

The two 787 models still being offered now average $201.7 million, up from $183.3 million, according to Boeing's website.

The 787-3 was designed to carry up to 330 passengers as far as 3,500 miles, compared with the 787-8's top capacity of 250 people and 9,400-mile range. Boeing has been reviewing the model's future after All Nippon Airways swapped its 787-3 order for another variant in January.

All Nippon had been the last carrier to hold an order for the 787-3, which was designed specifically for the Japanese market.

Boeing diverted resources from the short-haul model in 2008 as it struggled to move the long-distance 787-8 toward production amid problems with parts shortages, redesigns and incomplete work by suppliers. The Dreamliner's entry into service is running about three years behind schedule.

Boeing stock fell 37 cents to $63.79 Monday. The shares have tumbled 37 percent since the first Dreamliner delay was announced in October 2007.


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