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Old July 17th, 2019, 03:50 AM   #761
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Manila grows ever richer as president's federalism plans are in doubt
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Duterte has toned down his plan on the constitution, and now wants to just make amendments.

"If you do not want federalism, fine, but changing the Constitution would really change this nation," Duterte told political allies on Tuesday.
So klaro na ang gusto ni PDutz -- Charter Change kahit walang Pederalismo.
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Federalism is really a hard sell.

Ako personally, hindi mangyayari yan. Kasi kung go yan, we need to have a firm commitment to make it happen.

Okay na ako sa amendments sa best konsti in the planet, especially economic and political provisions.

BUT for me:
  • still no to foreign land ownership
  • a BIG NOOOO to foreign ownership of [mass] media [say want we want with the best konsti in the planet, but the venerated mother of the BPEvah got this one thing absolutely right]
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Old July 17th, 2019, 12:20 PM   #763
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Title aside, the article below is a must-read on the strategy the Duterte administration will employ.

Federalism now dances to Cha-cha beat

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Its main thrust before was to push for the rather complex idea of a federal government. But now its messaging will focus on amending the Charter, according to Interior Undersecretary Jonathan Malaya of the Inter-Agency Task Force on Federalism and Constitutional Reform...Its new central message, backed by “four pillars,” is to change the rotten system and push for a new constitution: “Baguhin ang bulok na sistema, isulong ang bagong konstitusyon.”
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To make the proposed changes easier to understand, Malaya said, the task force will group them under four themes or pillars:

- Strengthening the regions, with the aim of enriching the provinces and decongesting the metropolis: “Payamanin ang probinsya, paluwagin ang Metro Manila.”
- Implementing reforms in the political and electoral system, with the battle cry of a government for the people and not for traditional politicians: “Gobyerno para sa tao, hindi para sa trapo.” This will include proposed changes to ban political dynasties, reform the party list system, and strengthen political parties.
- Liberalizing the economy, with the idea that an open economy gives hope to everyone: “Buksan ang ekonomiya, nang ang lahat ay may pag-asa.” This will include proposals to amend the economic provisions that limit foreign participation.
- Bringing about a new charter that would benefit future generations: “Bagong konstitusyon sa bagong henerasyon.”
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So klaro na ang gusto ni PDutz -- Charter Change kahit walang Pederalismo.
It always has been about changing the charter... And Digong's preferred change is a shift to a Federal form of government.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 01:08 PM   #765
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Kumusta naman yung Dean ng La Salle? Hahahahaha

Motion has been filed for the withdrawal of the counsels for the fishermen
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Old July 19th, 2019, 06:30 PM   #766
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Federalism is really a hard sell.

Ako personally, hindi mangyayari yan. Kasi kung go yan, we need to have a firm commitment to make it happen.

Okay na ako sa amendments sa best konsti in the planet, especially economic and political provisions.

BUT for me:
  • still no to foreign land ownership
  • a BIG NOOOO to foreign ownership of [mass] media [say want we want with the best konsti in the planet, but the venerated mother of the BPEvah got this one thing absolutely right]
They can lease for 99 years anyway. Even for residential, not sure how many years, but one development in far away Sibuyan Island, Germans lease the land, 16 k EU for 15 years, build and own the house. They renew the lease after the period. In general, I would like to see restriction on conversion of farm lands (as in productive farm land), forestry for property or industrial development.

Frankly for me, I wouldn't want to own land anymore in the PH as an overseas Pinoy. Sakit ng ulo. I'd rather lease land for x number of years and build my residence.

As for media, ownership of media is no longer an issue as traditional media are going out of business. One can own a Pinoy online media and you don't have to be based in the PH. For me, it is better to define news media, differentiate it from entertainment or "social, political" media. News media should be strictly to deliver the news, not used for political or other purpose. Whether Pinoy or foreign owned, what matters more is HOW the gov't can regulate content as far as the news is concerned. Rappler is NOT a news media, IMO.
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Old July 20th, 2019, 07:13 AM   #767
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Long-term lease is okay for me. But sill no to foreign ownership of land.
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Old July 21st, 2019, 10:18 AM   #768
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Maybe they can make it a partial federal system, e.g., don't require approval from the majority of houses for infrastructure projects that provinces can fund by themselves and that have been approved by various depts.
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Maybe they can make it a partial federal system, e.g., don't require approval from the majority of houses for infrastructure projects that provinces can fund by themselves and that have been approved by various depts.
That will release a flood of questionable projects by LGU's wanting more money to fall into very deep pockets, IMO.

It is desirable to arrive at the middle ground, so to speak: not too damn lengthy processes, and not haphazard choices at the same time.
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Unitary Parliamentary at the very least for substantial change.
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Old July 23rd, 2019, 09:09 AM   #771
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Unitary Parliamentary at the very least for substantial change.
As Salceda said in one interview, you can kiss Cha cha goodbye if they'll push for unitary parliamentary. The Senate will not participate in an activity that will abolish them.

If the House insists they can do it in their own. SC will strike them down because it's unconstitutional.
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Let's all brace for self-serving changes then.
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Old July 23rd, 2019, 09:33 AM   #773
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Let's all brace for self-serving changes then.
That's very possible! Our current set of politicians have other agenda, serving the people is not one of those agenda, FYI.
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Senator Francis Pangilinan is elected chairperson of the committee on constitutional amendments.
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Senator Francis Pangilinan is elected chairperson of the committee on constitutional amendments.
That's just retarded.

Migs or Koko wasn't available? Why do you have a Dilawan chair on anything?
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That's just retarded.

Migs or Koko wasn't available? Why do you have a Dilawan chair on anything?
Like I said, the Senate doesn't want themselves to get abolished. This is a move to put the blame on an LP member who will naturally block the cha cha moves.

If maglalagay sila ng kaalyado dyan masisisi lang sya kung ibablock nya, if taga oposisyon mas madali sabihin na kontra kasi yun nga taga oposisyon. haha
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Long-term lease is okay for me. But sill no to foreign ownership of land.
You know what, the lease part has been a practice in the country since indpendence. Land ownership, I'd go one step further, no ownership of "land" in the country, only lease to foreign or Pinoys alike up to max 99 year lease, and limited size according to use or purpose - for residential, farming, etc. All land etc should be in public domain. Radical, yes, but land is very limited resource and pre hispanic Pinoys, or indigenous peoples practiced communal ownership of land instead by individuals.
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Like I said, the Senate doesn't want themselves to get abolished. This is a move to put the blame on an LP member who will naturally block the cha cha moves.

If maglalagay sila ng kaalyado dyan masisisi lang sya kung ibablock nya, if taga oposisyon mas madali sabihin na kontra kasi yun nga taga oposisyon. haha
Is there actually a move to abolish the Senate? If they cannot abolish the Senate, their powers should be limited, more like the House of Lords (UK parliament) - they cannot legislate only debate bills, recommend or make suggestions, etc. No pork barrel, no honorariums, personal allowances etc, just fixed salary plus normal benefits, with limited term, etc.
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Unitary Parliamentary at the very least for substantial change.
As Salceda said in one interview, you can kiss Cha cha goodbye if they'll push for unitary parliamentary. The Senate will not participate in an activity that will abolish them.

If the House insists they can do it in their own. SC will strike them down because it's unconstitutional.
Bicameral legislature pa rin ang proposal at hindi unicameral. You can have a unitary parliamentary bicameral system just like the UK and Japan or a federal parliamentary bicameral system like Germany, Australia, Switzerland and Malaysia. Parliamentary system does not necessarily means a unicameral legislature. Nalilito ata si Salceda. Akala niya yung kapag unitary parliamentary eh unicameral agad ang legislature.

Unitary – Federal
Presidential – Parliamentary
Unicameral – Bicameral
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Like I said, the Senate doesn't want themselves to get abolished. This is a move to put the blame on an LP member who will naturally block the cha cha moves.

If maglalagay sila ng kaalyado dyan masisisi lang sya kung ibablock nya, if taga oposisyon mas madali sabihin na kontra kasi yun nga taga oposisyon. haha
Is there actually a move to abolish the Senate? If they cannot abolish the Senate, their powers should be limited, more like the House of Lords (UK parliament) - they cannot legislate only debate bills, recommend or make suggestions, etc. No pork barrel, no honorariums, personal allowances etc, just fixed salary plus normal benefits, with limited term, etc.
The PDP-Laban and ConCom drafts have bicameral legislature proposals. The lower house will legislate bills and the upper house will just review the bills passed by the lower house.
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