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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:31 PM   #41
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Really? Really? Really? Ay naku...this del Rosario dude should just stop defending his position. Who is he to order the withdrawal of the navy? That is NOT his department and not within his authority. Totally idiotic. China is just laughing at the PH.
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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:49 PM   #42
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Grabeh pala bago maka aqcuire ng f35, kailangan na may tiwala ang us sa atin to safeguard its secrets, haay mukhang malabo zince majority na dito kumakapit sa mga intsik dahil wala sila makain. Dapat dyeta sa laht including population control and focus on dedicating ourselve for our world's future. Mukhang malabo
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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:52 PM   #43
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Grabeh pala bago maka aqcuire ng f35, kailangan na may tiwala ang us sa atin to safeguard its secrets, haay mukhang malabo zince majority na dito kumakapit sa mga intsik dahil wala sila makain. Dapat dyeta sa laht including population control and focus on dedicating ourselve for our world's future. Mukhang malabo
Gripen is ready and willing to sell. It looks like a very capable MRF. Sweden is a neutral nation. The F-35 is not secret anymore. China can sell the PH knock off F-35s.
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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:53 PM   #44
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Really? Really? Really? Ay naku...this del Rosario dude should just stop defending his position. Who is he to order the withdrawal of the navy? That is NOT his department and not within his authority. Totally idiotic. China is just laughing at the PH.
Ang tindi pala nyan, sa Vietnam yatanagkaputukan sial ng china
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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:57 PM   #45
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Gripen is ready and willing to sell. It looks like a very capable MRF. Sweden is a neutral nation. The F-35 is not secret anymore. China can sell the PH knock off F-35s.
Kung neutral nation malamang alam ng kalaban secretntan, baka hindi pa nagtakeoff sumabog na kase alam nila secreto nyan. Saan mo nakuha yang infona yan na alam ng china secretsng f35? Any reliable source?during this time, we should not be alianizing ourselves from the us and its ally, dutartards are doing this, which is not good
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Old April 18th, 2019, 03:23 PM   #46
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Kung neutral nation malamang alam ng kalaban secretntan, baka hindi pa nagtakeoff sumabog na kase alam nila secreto nyan. Saan mo nakuha yang infona yan na alam ng china secretsng f35? Any reliable source?during this time, we should not be alianizing ourselves from the us and its ally, dutartards are doing this, which is not good
Just google F35 knockoffs. Chinese military/industrial espionage in the US a fact and has been going on. Google that as well. You'd be surprised. The US has been selling "education" to Chinese students and visas to wannabe "immigrants", and there were many who were operatives. This is not news anymore.

Another thing too, China is going to surpass or even break US hegemony by 2050, economically, may be even politically and militarily. There is no problem with being allied with the US, but in terms of military equipment, we should go for the most bang for our piddly budget. Sweden is neutral, a western nation. It's not as if we are buying F35s knock off or buying genuine F35s with conditions we cannot afford or comply with. (You know the US is right to demand conditons because they know PH has a lot of traitors and turncoats in the country.)

Worry more about Chinese products because they can imbed whatever codes or whatever, etc and can control the equipment and even the user. Over a decade ago, US gov't procured Lenovo laptops for some office. They eventually discovered they were "bugged." Huawei phones could be bugged too.
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Old April 19th, 2019, 02:52 AM   #47
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Grabeh pala bago maka aqcuire ng f35, kailangan na may tiwala ang us sa atin to safeguard its secrets, haay mukhang malabo zince majority na dito kumakapit sa mga intsik dahil wala sila makain. Dapat dyeta sa laht including population control and focus on dedicating ourselve for our world's future. Mukhang malabo
Kung mapapansin mo sa body ng F35, nakalagay lahat ng flags ng ka-collab ng US dun at most likely yun lang ang mga priority ng F35. Lately sinama na ang Japan din. At yes dapat pasok sa "trusted" label ng US para mabentahan e.g. SoKor at Singapore.

Badly kasama ang Turkey dun na lately hindi naging maganda ang itinatakbo ng relationship sa US these days...

Stealth jet yan bossing kaya kahit may pambili ka hindi ka basta basta makakabili nyan, at sa pagkakaalam ko ang intention nyan ay to beef up those US allies at para nasa network lang ang air superiority more than sa kalaban (China and Russia malamang).

Ang realistic pa yung dine-develop ng Sokor at Indonesia na Stealth jet, yun pa siguro pwede tayo bumili in the future kung gusto atin.

While F22 Raptor is exclusive for the US armed forces.
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Gripen is ready and willing to sell. It looks like a very capable MRF. Sweden is a neutral nation. The F-35 is not secret anymore. China can sell the PH knock off F-35s.
Supot naman bossing ang mga "J" jets ng China e.

Yung Variag / Liaoning AC nga nila nakaka 12 crashes na ng "J" variants ng mga jets nila e. sa 4th generation pa lang ng jets di na nila ma-perfect kahit pa yung ilan e Sukhoi engine na ang gamit marami pa ring malfunction sa integration sa mga local parts... What more dun sa copycat stealth ng China.

Kahit sa Fiber tech at Kevlar tech mahina yung mga gawa ng China.

E kung yang mga yan lang ang ipaparada nila sa SCS kontra F35 ng US e lalamunin ng buhay ng F35 yan... Baka nga sa F18 Superhornets pa lang e kumain na ng alikabok yang mga yan e.
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Sir @RajkoToromen is right. SEATO only encompasses SCS while the proposed US, Japan, India, Aus led alliance is bigger and spans the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean. I read somewhere Trump and the west is starting to use the term "Indo-Pacific" more often. the alliance name may include the said term. Perhaps it will be called "INPACTO" (INdo-PACific Treaty Organization).


I don't know how it will progress as India is hesitant to take a more antagonistic posture or even portray such towards China.
Yes Sir tama, yan yung bukang bibig na ni Trump, "Indo-Pacific alliance" Mukhang minamadali na nila yan at parang gusto ng US na mag lead yata ang Japan kaya isinama na sila sa F35 program din.

India will play a huge role din sa alliance being the most closest ally na may relations sa Russia, malaking bagay kasi na wag makealam ang Russia eventually at huwag sumama naman sa China. India can bargain their signed deal with the Russians, pwedeng pressure yun dahil bulto yung bibilhin ng India na Jets sa Russia, pati na rin ang future ng Brahmos missiles as their partner in the that program.

Kung ma-plantsa agad ang Indo-Pacific Alliance yari ang 9 dash line ni Xi Jing Pin... Para ko nakikita ang kababagsakan ng mga artificial islands mauuwi sa Indo Pacific alliance control. Pwede mag joint forces agreement in the future nitong mga members para magka economic sanction ang China, tipong walang bibili ng export nila ewan ko lang kung di mayanig ang China at i-give up yung mga ginawa nilang islands Sigurado hindi nila isusugal yun kung economy nila ang babagsak eventually.

So matalino man ang matsing, nalalamangan pa rin ika nga.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 05:18 AM   #51
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Kung mapapansin mo sa body ng F35, nakalagay lahat ng flags ng ka-collab ng US dun at most likely yun lang ang mga priority ng F35. Lately sinama na ang Japan din. At yes dapat pasok sa "trusted" label ng US para mabentahan e.g. SoKor at Singapore.

Badly kasama ang Turkey dun na lately hindi naging maganda ang itinatakbo ng relationship sa US these days...

Stealth jet yan bossing kaya kahit may pambili ka hindi ka basta basta makakabili nyan, at sa pagkakaalam ko ang intention nyan ay to beef up those US allies at para nasa network lang ang air superiority more than sa kalaban (China and Russia malamang).

Ang realistic pa yung dine-develop ng Sokor at Indonesia na Stealth jet, yun pa siguro pwede tayo bumili in the future kung gusto atin.

While F22 Raptor is exclusive for the US armed forces.
papano nila pagkakatiwalaan ang singapore, eh little china yun, majority ng wealth n ila galing china apat nga rin dito i-isolate mga chinese businesses, hindi sila mapagkakatiwalaan
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Supot naman bossing ang mga "J" jets ng China e.

Yung Variag / Liaoning AC nga nila nakaka 12 crashes na ng "J" variants ng mga jets nila e. sa 4th generation pa lang ng jets di na nila ma-perfect kahit pa yung ilan e Sukhoi engine na ang gamit marami pa ring malfunction sa integration sa mga local parts... What more dun sa copycat stealth ng China.

Kahit sa Fiber tech at Kevlar tech mahina yung mga gawa ng China.

E kung yang mga yan lang ang ipaparada nila sa SCS kontra F35 ng US e lalamunin ng buhay ng F35 yan... Baka nga sa F18 Superhornets pa lang e kumain na ng alikabok yang mga yan e.
Underestimating the capabilities of Chinese weapons and systems is a bad bad idea. If you base your observations from products coming from china that are sold in the Philippines then you are getting it all wrong bossing. You know why? It is because China can sell you anything depends on how much money you pay. You want it cheap? they can sell you cheap. Example yung Christmas lights.. the one sold in north America is way.. way different than those sold in divisorial.


So, if you think their J-10 fighter is less capable than f-16..then you will be committing a grave mistake. you know why? Because these Chinese want you to believe that you are superior to them. Pero mag ingat ka when actual confrontation do happens..baka ma wipe out tayo in a matter of hours. Maybe Duterte is well advised about this. kaya hindi sya pakitang gilas dyan sa WPS.

Mabuti na lang bossing mahilig ka lang sa basketball siguro at hindi army general or keyboard warrior like me. Kaya safe tayo kahit ganyan ang assumptions mo.
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Here..watch how our potential adversary have developed their capabilities. J-10 pa lang yan! how much more yung J-20 nila at iba pa. And they have hundreds of these if not a thousand.

Huwag panay colonial mentality kasi. The world is evolving right before your eyes..
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I did write in my previous post that the dnd will likely say that it is too expensive so i kindof agree with that, i just think that while the Gripens are fine, it would be ideal to have a more powerful dedicated air superiority squadron as well .

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I always expected that there would have to be a change of tone as China never stopped from pursuing their south China sea goals, it's just going to be funny to see some flip flop from their previous stance as Duterte switches .

Anyway there is also a difference between the Obama and Trump administrations, Obama was less convinced of tackling China head on he had a more patient softly softly approach policy including with Duterte, the Trump administration is different in the sense that they are more willing to bluntly use America's military economic and diplomatic weight to go head on against China or Duterte, so no doubt that Pompeo and Trump have been tougher on Duterte if not publicly certainly behind the scenes, we have seen a bit of this with the submarine and other arms story, Trump and Pompeo has also recently applied pressure on some eastern European countries that were getting too friendly with China, so this is consistent with their general anti China policies imo .

As for seato there still is an albeit patchwork of security alliances in the region the most notable of course is the US mdt, the other one is the five powers defense agreement between the former British now commonwealth members, so Malaysia Singapore New Zealand Australia and the UK, when the UK says that it wishes to construct a base it's really going to be more like a naval support facility within Singapore's navy base for example, where countries like the US and India are also present and dock their ships rather than an actual "base" like the US navies Subic base at the time, Singapore playing the role of bottleneck and main support base for allied navies forward deployed ships to the region .

The EU/Nato is going to be more present in the region just like the UK which intends to send its new carrier next year, the French carrier and its battlegroup will do a patrol in the south China sea later this year and is likely to do it more often along with other EU/Nato navies, the south China sea will see a regular alternating presence of EU/US and other regional allies to enforce the principle of freedom of navigation .

It will no doubt increase pressure on China and its activities in the region but it doesn't mean that the afp can rest on its laurels, it should continue to pursue modernization and increasing its firepower, so imo for now alongside brand new procurement some 2nd hand jets heli's or warships could also be fine additions to the afp .
Agree. Interventions of external Great Powers should never be a source of complacency on the part of the DOD and the AFP. We are, after all, the country that is directly at China's doorstep.

We might turn into another Poland before and during World War II: Relied so much on British and French guarantees of security and sovereignty yet was steamrolled and sandwiched by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union as soon as 1939 came along.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 03:07 PM   #56
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Nagtataka ako bakit may slied forces, di ba us ans nag invest ng todo china, umalis halos lahat ng planta nila sa pinas in favor of china, tsposbili pa silanf bilimg goods from china, tzposngayon at yumaman na sila naging aggressive militarynila, kala ko genius mga americano napepredict nila kung mspagkatiwalaan tinurulungan nila. At imagine naka3m immigrant china sa us samantalang it took pinoys about 5 decades paramaging 3m sila duon
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Baka hindi rin naman talaga kaibigan yang mga kano, stop depending on someone

Pero sana kung magreclaim mga ameracans near scarboruogh make it theirnaval base pwede permanent nobody can evict them

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Turkish firms see IDEF as chance to pitch locally made systems for export

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In addition Turkey has been aggressively marketing the T129, a helicopter gunship produced by TAI under license from the Italian-British firm AgustaWestland. Last year, Turkey signed a $1.5 billion deal with Pakistan to sell 30 T129s. It is also in talks with the Philippines for the sale of eight attack helicopters.

Those and other potentially successful export deals for the T129 could be blocked amid the U.S.-Turkey dispute if the U.S. denies export licenses to the Turkish manufacturer.
https://www.defensenews.com/industry...ms-for-export/
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Old April 22nd, 2019, 03:34 AM   #59
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Di ba good idea yung magrevlaim ng bagong artificial island ang us malapit sa scarborough siguro mfa 5000hectares para masaya, naka standby parati, at para dun na rin ilagay nung uk planned naval baseand other allied forces, makikinabang pa rin pinas dyan, bukod sa protecting our country, malapit sya sa mainland china compared to guam, mas strategic, tapos ialot nila 1000hectares for tourism purposes haha

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Underestimating the capabilities of Chinese weapons and systems is a bad bad idea. If you base your observations from products coming from china that are sold in the Philippines then you are getting it all wrong bossing. You know why? It is because China can sell you anything depends on how much money you pay. You want it cheap? they can sell you cheap. Example yung Christmas lights.. the one sold in north America is way.. way different than those sold in divisorial.


So, if you think their J-10 fighter is less capable than f-16..then you will be committing a grave mistake. you know why? Because these Chinese want you to believe that you are superior to them. Pero mag ingat ka when actual confrontation do happens..baka ma wipe out tayo in a matter of hours. Maybe Duterte is well advised about this. kaya hindi sya pakitang gilas dyan sa WPS.

Mabuti na lang bossing mahilig ka lang sa basketball siguro at hindi army general or keyboard warrior like me. Kaya safe tayo kahit ganyan ang assumptions mo.
The J-10 is indeed inferior to the block 50/52 F-16 C/D, while the the J-10B is inferior to the block 70 F-16V.

Why? Superior radar and tried and tested AMRAAM supported by AWACS.

The J-10 was developed from the Israeli Lavi which was a development from the F-16. It then added the canards of the Eurofighter/Rafale, and later on, the divertless intake from the F-35A. It was supposed to be a cheap, lightweight fighter which was envisioned to dominate by sheer numbers. As they say, "quantity is a quality in itself". So air frame by air frame, it's not as good as the F-16.

The premiere fighter of the Chinese is still the license-built Su-27/30/33 family they call the J-11/15. That is probably superior to the F-16 C/D and a good match to the F-16V.

Again, the Trump card of the US fighters are its AESA radars which are already in its 3rd generation.

The J-10 and J-11/15 are getting their AESA radars though, but we don't know how they will perform. If they're as good as the Chinese would hope, it will put them into parity with the US Fighters.
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