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Old November 8th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1
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Reconstruction in Nuernberg, Pellerhof

I found this by coinsidence:

http://altstadtfreunde-nuernberg.de/...pellerhof.html

http://www.gsschenk.de/projekt_detail.php?projekt=71

http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger...set=0#ancTitle
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #2
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Great news! I was wondering if any progress had been made with the Pellerhaus.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #3
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Delighted its coming together nicely... hopefully the next stage will be to consider work on the facade, and getting rid of the 1950s monstrosity that is there at the moment.
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 02:54 AM   #5
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How is everybody?

There is some coming forward in this Nurnberg Renaissance reconstruction project!










It`s all handwork you see. All the stones are handcut










The parts here in this picture are original. The private club rebuilding the rest is financing everything thru donations










The office is a school


The upper part is from the 1950`s. There is a debate to replace it with the original


The "helm" was added last year with another one.















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Old August 31st, 2018, 01:17 AM   #6
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This is brand new!!!



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Old September 10th, 2018, 01:21 AM   #7
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Eagle, anymore reconstructions here or photos of this gorgeous building? Not many posts or information regarding Nuernburg.. cheers
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Old September 10th, 2018, 08:23 AM   #8
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Eagle, anymore reconstructions here or photos of this gorgeous building? Not many posts or information regarding Nuernburg.. cheers
I'm sure if you search for "Nürnberg" or "Nuremberg" you might find more...
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Old September 10th, 2018, 12:50 PM   #9
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Here are some more pictures of the finished product:















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Old March 13th, 2019, 06:25 PM   #10
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The reconstructed court turned out so great!

Now the talks about reconstructing the magnificent renaissance street facade of the Pellerhaus in Nürnberg turn more serious.

The 1957 facade by Fritz Mayer:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...jpg?uselang=de


The original 1605 renaissance facade, among the most valued in Europe, which was destroyed 1944/45:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...jpg?uselang=de



Please look at the full resolution, it's full of marvellous details, unmatched in patrician houses elswhere:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...605_Facade.jpg

With its neighbours:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...jpg?uselang=de


A talk from the Potsdam thread (where this doesn't belong):

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Question to our German forumers: How is it that the ugly Plattenbauten could be demolished but the Modern Pellerhouse in Nurnburg apparently must stay because it is listed?
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Hi Robert, though I'm not German but Belgian but having lived in Germany for approx. 10 years I can tell you the main reasons in my opinion are:
1) Pellerhaus is a listed monument and as such, protected in its current appearance.
2) Many (influential) contemporary architects are opposing reconstructions in general, as they see it as "backwards-driven" and reactive.
3) The topic of reconstructing buildings lost in the war is getting more and more politicized, especially after the opening of the old town in Frankfurt.


But for Pellerhaus, the outcome is still unclear luckily, as much citizens are also in favor of reconstructing this architectural gem in its original beauty.
Let's see how the campaing from the Altstadtfreunde in Nuremberg with the big poster will turn out (provided they will be allowed to hang the poster in front of the current façade of course).

Edit: Just now another article came out in a German newspaper underlining my point nr. 2: an amalgam of architects (amongst which the union of German architects - Bund deutscher Architekten - have actually started a new initiative (end of February) named "Pro Pellerhaus".
They advocate the preservation of the 1950s façade and are - as they claim - not against the Altstadtfreunde as such but rather want more appreciation for post-war modernist architecture.

http://www.nordbayern.de/region/nuer...tive-1.8681209
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Old March 13th, 2019, 06:31 PM   #11
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And a great update post from the general reconstruction thread:

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Hello friends of reconstructions!

In Germany the story around the full reconstruction of the so-called Pellerhaus in the city of Nuremberg goes on.
The "friends of the old town" now even proposed to pay for the costs related to the reconstruction of the house on their own - even including rebuilding the adjacent plot of land!

For those who haven't followed this project earlier (inside courtyard has already been partially reconstructed in the past years): this is the building that's being discussed:

Nowadays:



After WW2 (1950):



Original Pellerhaus:



More pictures and info in the link below.

Source (in German):
http://www.nordbayern.de/region/nuer...auen-1.8313177
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Hi Everyone!


There is an update on the Pellerhaus reconstruction topic.


The city council will soon be discussing the Pellerhaus' future: renovating the current "monument" (from the 1950s) or reconstructing the original Renaissance façade towards the Egidius-square.


Julia Lehner (CSU) gives her opinion in the below article (German only, sorry), she is member of the regional council for protection of monuments and is unfortunately in favor of keeping the 1950s façade.


But as the Nuremberg's cultural envoi, Julia Lehner (CSU) is "owner" of the Pellerhaus (owned by the city) and also the antagonist of Enderle, who heads the citizen society "Altstadtfreunde".


The Altstadtfreunde, who are pushing for a reconstruction of the Pellerhaus to complete the reconstruction of the building's façade after the already successfully completed reconstruction of the inner yard (see above), stick by their plan to hang a huge poster with the image of the original Pellerhaus in front of the façade. They are certain that this will add spark to the debate and they want to include the voices of Nuremberg's citizens on the decision (renovate 1950s Pellerhaus façade or reconstruct original Pellerhaus façade).


They hope this will become a topic at the local elections this summer.


Interesting! Let's cross fingers.

In 1897:




Nowadays (side of building):




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https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern...-druck,RHs10BF


http://www.nordbayern.de/region/nuer...ruch-1.8507749
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showt...962506&page=77
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Old March 14th, 2019, 03:35 PM   #12
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The problem, to me, is that the 50s replacement is actually quite nice, if you disregard what used to be there. It's not really visible on the side view picture, but from the front it is indeed a quite interesting example of post-war architecture:



I can understand this being a monument, to be honest. In an ideal world I would have both the original Pellerhaus, and this one in a different location.

Would it be too much to ask to move the current facade next door?
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Old March 14th, 2019, 07:58 PM   #13
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Just to understand the point about the current facade being quite nice...what is it about the 50s facade that makes it "interesting"? The curved treatment at the top above the window vertical lines may be a divergence from the starkness of most 50s structures, but the entire "facade" on this building is as bland and generic as its neighbor next door. What is being seen as value here?
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Hello to all of You!

The story is so stupid that it becomes funny again:
In 1957 they (the city) put the emergency façade from designer "Mayer" over the Peller ruin to protect it. The city had no money for the reconstruction, witch was planned at that time. (The city bought the building 1929)
This Mayerhaus is a part of an complex. To save money, they added too many floors. The building was only usable without the court behind it. The court behind it stayed in ruins. The city soon discovered, that the new build had so many flaws, that it could be used only as "storage". The city library used it for some "third location". The Mayerhaus was still so bad with things like fire safety and protection of the books from sunshine, or the heat admitted by the large glass front that the library moved out 2010. The city looked around for some proper usage but every department turned them down. The building is used as "emergency" stay over for the city's toy collection. Because Nuernberg is a huge center of toy manufacturing.

The city has a problem: The build needs a complete renovation. But first, they need to know of what to use it for. Residential or office use is too expansive, storage use is cheaper, but will still need huge amounts of money and no department is interested anymore. The use for a museum will face more problems. The build needs to be demolished, so experts and can be used much more better with much higher ceilings to hide the electric and a better specified floor plan.

Now, we have the "Altstadt-freunde-Nuernberg". This association has 6000 members and has 250 projects completed. The "Altstadt-freunde" would love to take over the front build and reconstruct it like original. They have many original stones. They like to give the build the original floors, witch would allow the front to be connected with the rebuild back. The rebuild back would also add two more staircases, bathrooms and so on. Many people in Nuernberg support this. After all, the entire court was rebuild by donations by the "Altstadt-freunde" and the Peller house used to be listed as the "Most important single renaissance building north of the Alps". The only thing more important north of the Alps are those renaissance market squares and streetscapes in Belgium.

Lets move to today: The self proclaimed globalists have full support from all local Newspapers. They did put the Mayer façade under monument protection some time ago. That did not stop the city to demolish 5 - 6 other 1950`s buildings with monuments protection. As a matter of fact, the 1950`s library of the protestant church was demolished just past with the "facts" that the 50`s building was not adoptable to the current storage needs. lol.

The fight: Now, the newspapers of Nuernberg and the defenders of the "Mayerhaus" are using "fake facts" to keep the current Mayer façade. That is very low. There is a growing outrage in Nuernberg, but not everyone knows what is going on anymore!

One example: The whole complex is supposed to be demolished and paid for by the city! Not true at all! But both claims made headlines.



Some old staircase, still with emergency roof of WW2 on it:


Another fake news was about this modern staircase under monument protection. It claimed it to be demolished. Fan fact: It is in a different building altogether! This one:

source: Altstadtfreunde-Nuernberg!

And now some pre war model:





source user Mantikor! Thank you.
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How can anyone in their right mind oppose this reconstruction? I hope they get it done.
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Eagle: Thanks, as always, for the updates and your analysis!. You must promise to remain a forumer forever!
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Great, Eagle! Where's that model from?

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he curved treatment at the top above the window vertical lines may be a divergence from the starkness of most 50s structures, but the entire "facade" on this building is as bland and generic as its neighbor next door.
That nails it. I'd be fine if they agree to see the roofline and its antennae-like extension as somewhat special and transfer that to the middle of the neighbouring building as a reminiscence, which would make the neighbour more interesting and likewise make way for the Pellerhaus renaissance facade.

The thing about the post-war building is also, it has very low ceilings and is nearly unusable (thus empty since ages), only as an archive for unvaluable resources.
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3D visualisations / models Pellerhaus, Toplerhaus Nuremberg / Nürnberg

Btw, there's a fabulous 3D model of the Pellerhaus in the current context of today's Egidienplatz!
All credit to artist Johannes Tscharn (ArchViz / ArtStation), who created this as an academic degree thesis.
I add his comments underneath.


https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1529246371
Pellerhaus - Renaissance Architecture (Nürnberg / Germany)
The construction was finished in 1605 and the building was severely damaged in WWII, currently it is being partially restaurated.


This is nothing short of being called a patrician house masterpiece, isn't it?


https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1532802438
The Pellerhaus' gorgeous renaissance fascade was one of the most significant ones of its era.



Sexy bonus: the Gothic Toplerhaus is the 2nd superhot candidate for reconstruction in Nürnberg!


https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1529246329
Toplerhaus - Renaissance Architecture (Nürnberg / Germany)
Build in 1590 and burnt down in 1945, this magnificent structure was replaced only with a functional building.



https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1532793327
The Toplerhaus featured a nice tower and dormers on its roofing.


Comparison history vs. today:


https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1532789207
Some of the reference photos which i was using for modeling apart from the plans. Really useful to determine curtains and little details like the flower pots on the first floor to make it more alive.


https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1532792110
A glimpse overview of the locations and buildings today.


Pictures found at: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/KxQoW

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Today we have the chance to vote for the renaissance Pellerhaus facade! Make use of it

Soll das alte Pellerhaus rekonstruiert werden?

Shall the old Pellerhaus get reconstructed? -- JA (YES)
(scroll down a little to the two choices ja/nein)
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