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Old December 13th, 2018, 04:28 AM   #21
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Of course they'll support it. Look at the type of people in Glenorchy v Hobart City. South Hobart and West Hobart is full of NIMBY's, greenies and old people who don't want anything to "harm their community". Unfortunately big projects in the friggin CBD effect everyone, but you know.
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Old December 13th, 2018, 09:42 AM   #22
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Shopping Trolley ? Hahahahaha. I wonder if I can use the Trolley Tracker thing and go into the draw for a $1000 prize but at the scale of this one ? Let's say 10 time's bigger ?
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Old December 14th, 2018, 01:16 AM   #23
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More on the shopping trolley...

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Mona’s Motown hotel punt proves a winner with the locals
JAMES KITTO, Mercury
December 13, 2018 10:57pm
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COMMUNITY members have thrown their support behind David Walsh’s plans to build a $400 million hotel and casino development at Mona.

On Wednesday, Mona revealed its plans to create a five-star, 176-room hotel and 1600-seat conference centre at its Berriedale site. The development application is before the Glenorchy City Council.

The announcement has been met with excitement by Tasmanians, including key Hobart figures who see the construction as a huge boost for the state.

Hobart Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds, who is working with all tiers of government to introduce a City Deal before the end of the year, said development of a luxury hotel at Mona would strengthen the appeal of Hobart’s northern suburbs, particularly for young people.

“We are on the cusp of a City Deal which will pin the four greater Hobart councils together to work closely on a number of important topics, one of which being further development at Mona and within that area,” she said.

“The best way for greater Hobart to develop, in that context, is to see a major development added to Mona and for the Glenorchy area to continue to have economic development.

“Glenorchy Mayor Kristie Johnston and I agree that if we’re going to tackle the state’s housing crisis then we need to acknowledge that it’s not just a matter of considering high-rise buildings in the CBD, but to look at it with a view of activating affordable areas with potential.”

Ald Johnston said following the announcement of Mona’s Motown hotel she welcomed any development proposal in the city.

Tourism Industry Council Tasmania CEO Luke Martin said Tasmania should start preparing for what Mr Walsh’s latest development application might create for the state.

“When Mona first opened, we didn’t prepare for what was to come,” he said.

“Now with this exciting proposal before us we can already see what it will lead to and we can start getting ready.

“With the inclusion of a premium conference centre, the hotel could become the premiere venue for business events in the country. By drawing more people to Tasmania, this project would have a flow-on effect, opening up other areas of development across the state.”

Despite plans for the hotel beginning 10 years ago, uncertainty remains on how it will be paid for, with Mr Walsh claiming the $400 million needed for the project isn’t an amount he has “on him right now”.

He has approached the State Government to act as a guarantor for the project, but a deal has not yet been struck.

If the Government did guarantee a loan it would make it the state’s largest such commitment, potentially dwarfing the $29 million guarantee given to Nyrstar in 2015.

Minister for State Growth Peter Gutwein on Thursday revealed the Government was working through funding plans.

“Mona have made a request for some support from the Government associated with their exciting new Motown development which includes significant arts, cultural and tourist facilities which will provide significant benefit to the state,” he said.

“The Department of State Growth, with some assistance from Treasury, is undertaking a due diligence assessment of the project prior to any decision being made regarding Government support.”

A community information session will be held at the museum on Monday at 6pm.

The hotel proposal was given the thumbs up by the locals on Thursday.

Roahn Dale, 17, of Lenah Valley, said: “The tourism would be good for Tasmania. As long as it brings in a good amount of revenue I think it would be a great installation for us.”

Simon Modrijan, of Glenorchy, said: “It’s good to see things moving on and going forward in Hobart. I’m glad the ‘Slow-bart’ of old is keeping up with the rest of the country.”

Michael Park, of Glenorchy, said: “I think it’s a good thing. I’m particularly pleased by the new potential for a new casino in the state.”

Robbie Moles, of Goodwood, said: “The design is possibly a bit much for Hobart, but if it brings the tourists in I think it will be brilliant.”
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Old December 14th, 2018, 01:08 PM   #24
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It seems the begging of controversy are swirling around the proposed government guarantee for part of the construction cost. Besides that, by my estimation, this need Crown Land approval (likely), EPA approval (which is likely to be approved, but the risk is that conditions escalate construction costs severely), council approval (reasonably likely as well), and then to survive or outlast the virtually inevitable RMPAT appeal. Bumpy road ahead! And yes, the financing.

All that said, what a project it would be. Transformational for Hobart to say the least. I listened to the whole Walsh press conference, and some interesting details came through. The theatre alone is worth $60m, putting it into a different class against other Hobart theatres. The caravan park proposal is still alive and will likely open before the hotel. The business model seems to lean quite heavily into the convention market. And construction is unlikely to commence before late 2020.

They’ve made references to the Hobart City Deal, which are hard to parse. What does it mean to be “a part of” that? Do they realise it’s likely been finalised? And what support would they even be seeking from it, besides money for the wastewater treatment plant (which they basically ruled themselves out of by signing their own MoU with Taswater and convincing the state government it was taken care of). Mysterious indeed.
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Old December 23rd, 2018, 04:20 AM   #25
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Some extra fragments of Motown info:

Multiplex has been publicly confirmed as the builder
Construction is more likely to be starting 2021, with a 43 month build—that means the opening is late 2024 at the earliest
The site will have three tower cranes
There will be 150,000 sq m of excavation (or about 30x more than has been excavated for the Solstice chamber)
And the construction workforce will be around 450 people.

There’s at least one restaurant and one jazz bar in the plans, and the casino is in there with its own secure access (though if they got the license, it would likely open 1-2 years after the hotel). I’m happy to see that the Tarryn Simon work for the roof of the hotel/offices is conceptualised specifically as a counterweight to the fact that MONA’s major monumental installations have all been by male artists to this point.

They’re looking at a 2 storey parking deck for the bottom car park, in addition to the 360 underground car parking spaces from the Motown build. If we get to the wonderful future of self driving autonomous taxis, and nobody needs to drive anymore, the underground car park might be converted to gallery space.

The Solstice Chamber extension currently underway will open in April or May. Spectra will be back for the 2019 winter solstice—I don’t think they finished the build in time for last night’s summer solstice. I’ve heard it costs a truly staggering amount in electricity costs to switch it on though, you wouldn’t believe...
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Old February 8th, 2019, 11:35 AM   #26
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This has gone deadly quiet, but I’ve reason to believe a lot is going on behind the scenes. Not to mention, the PM helicoptered in to MONA on his super-express Tassie visit on Monday. I doubt that would have happened without something to discuss—he was here to get some pics with the firies in Geeveston, after all. I smell a city deal lobbying opportunity.
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Old February 12th, 2019, 03:31 AM   #27
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There's a big crane out there. "Big" being my technical description of it.

Also, the title of this thread still mentions "HOMO" when it should probably be Motown now.
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Old February 12th, 2019, 04:08 AM   #28
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They’ve had a small orange tower crane next to the winery for a while to build their newest extension, and sometimes a mobile crane, too. Is it that?
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Old February 12th, 2019, 06:56 AM   #29
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Yep that would be it. It seemed big enough from a distance, but I guess there's not much around it to compare it to.
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Old February 16th, 2019, 04:06 AM   #30
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It's a pain that the City of Glenorchy is so far behind the times that they don't make advertised development applications available on their website
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Old February 16th, 2019, 05:06 AM   #31
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It's a pain that the City of Glenorchy is so far behind the times that they don't make advertised development applications available on their website
Yes :/ Someone from SSC is going to have to visit the council offices! Would they let anyone scan the DA if it’s only in hard copy?

That said, I reckon we’re months away from its being advertised.
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Old March 14th, 2019, 12:14 PM   #32
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I’ve been poking around trying to get an update on this and haven’t found a thing. It’s all gone very quiet—not necessarily a good sign. Looks like they haven’t got past Crown Land yet, for one.
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I’ve been poking around trying to get an update on this and haven’t found a thing. It’s all gone very quiet—not necessarily a good sign. Looks like they haven’t got past Crown Land yet, for one.
I would not be too worried Tasmanian.

Massive projects like this invovling mutliple levels of Government often take years to come to fruition. I reckon we will hear soem promsiing news in the next few months.

MONA is far from being ready to start anything new soon anyway as they have a few months yet to finish off the latest building works.
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Old March 16th, 2019, 04:27 AM   #34
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Hmm, well, seems MONA are wondering what the hold up is, too. They’re taking the GCC to the RMPAT, by the looks of it, for taking too long to request additional info to process their application (if I’m reading the Act right...).

The flipside of this is that a couple of the statutory hurdles, like Crown consent, must have been already surmounted. Good news.
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