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Old July 15th, 2019, 04:31 AM   #441
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May problema talaga kahit sa anong projects ng gobyerno na mahilig sa "pwede na"mentality na mababa ang quality tingnan mo na lang sa ipinagmamalaki nilang natapos na airports na underwhelming ang quality.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 02:40 AM   #442
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I think they are trying to pull something creative to make things happen.. Maybe a procurement for single to put something on the table then automatically double it even if it's not yet finished.. 😂😂😂😂.. It's like NSCR being done by packages inside the Phases.. Money talks on this part probably is the key factor.. I'm not really a fan of DMU's but the new models are actually decent if not great, even the one from Indonesia that the PNR ordered..

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Mindanao Railway project specs altered to hurry implementation

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THE Department of Transportation (DoTr) said costs were adjusted upward for the Mindanao Railway Project Phase 1 due to the need to traverse rolling terrain, while the rail line was downgraded to single track and non-electric to speed up implementation.

Transportation Undersecretary for Railways Timothy John R. Batan told reporters Tuesday that the approved project cost more than doubled to P82.9 billion from P35.9 billion previously because earlier studies had assumed that the rail line would cross flat terrain.

“Feasibility study from 2015 to 2017 assumed (the route to be) flat. But if you look at the alignment of Tagum-Davao-Digos, it’s not flat, it’s rolling… we need some infrastructure adjustments, some civil works adjustments such as elevated viaducts and deep cuts, which is the primary driver of our increase in cost,” he said.

A National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) subcommittee approved the increased cost estimate last week.

“Ang configuration natin ngayon [Our configuration now]… is single track, non-electrified. The reason why the interagency ICC (Investment Coordination Committee) decided [to do that] is to optimize the investment,” he added.

The NEDA ICC Cabinet Committee said Monday it approved the increased budget for the China-funded Tagum-Davao-Digos segment of the Mindanao Railway Project to cover changes in its structural and construction works and the inclusion of a Davao Satellite Depot.

Transportation Secretary Arthur P. Tugade said the downgrade in the railway’s configuration was meant to get the project rolling.

“[G]usto ko double track hindi single track. Gusto ko electrified, hindi diesel. Ngayon sabi nila, para maumpisahan na ‘yan, ‘yung engineering design, baguhin natin. Gawin nating single track, diesel,.. (pero) sa umpisa lang ‘yan [I wanted it to be double track and electrified. But they said to start the project, the engineering design must be changed to single track, diesel. But that’s just for now],” he said.

“Tandaan mo, by phases ‘yan. Pwede naman ‘yan baguhin in the future. Para maumpisahan na lang [Remember, that project would come in phases. That could still be changed in the future. This is only to get the project started],” he added.

With the approval from NEDA, the DoTr now hopes to sign the loan agreement for the Tagum-Davao-Digos segment with the government of China within the first half of next year. Construction is also eyed to begin in parallel with the loan signing.

“First, second quarter, matagal na ‘yun [at the latest]… We’re planning to get a commitment from the Chinese government, para ‘pag na-award natin ‘yung kontrata within this year, in parallel with the negotiations for the Chinese loan agreement, nagtatrabaho na sila [that when we award the contract this year, they’ll start working in parallel with the negotiations for the loan agreement],” Mr. Batan said.

“With the decision of the ICC last week, we are already sending this week our request for the shortlist,” he added, referring to the shortlist of contractors that China will provide to the Philippines as the recipient of the ODA. The DoTr will choose from the shortlist, through a limited competitive bid, the Chinese contractor to undertake the project.

“The commitment of China to finance the project has not changed from the time that they made that commitment in 2018.”

Mr. Batan said based on the general terms, China is expected to finance up to 80-85% of the Tagum-Davao-Digos railway’s total project cost. —
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Old July 17th, 2019, 02:35 PM   #443
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Good move! Single-track, non-electric!
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Old July 17th, 2019, 05:04 PM   #444
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Old July 17th, 2019, 05:22 PM   #445
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1. 2 tracks for me is overkill... Let's see how the ridership goes then expand.

2. Modern diesel, or even diesel-electric locomotives are great for Mindanao where electricity shortage is an issue.
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Old July 18th, 2019, 01:55 AM   #446
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Old July 18th, 2019, 02:10 AM   #447
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just a question... so if it is single track... does it mean that trips between the cities will be not very frequent? Like 2 to 3 trips a day and there will be sections of 2 tracks to allow two trains running both directions to pass each other before going on a single track... tama ba?

I guess it's a good move to a least get the people in those cities see the benefit of rail....

it will include cargo, right?
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Old July 18th, 2019, 02:12 AM   #448
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1. 2 tracks for me is overkill... Let's see how the ridership goes then expand.

2. Modern diesel, or even diesel-electric locomotives are great for Mindanao where electricity shortage is an issue.
Single-track railway systems were the norm in the US before. They just install passing sidings for trains to pass each other.

But Mindanao doesn't have a shortage issue now, FYI. Go to the NGCP website and see. % reserves" Mindanao = 37.7%; Visayas= 22.1% and Luzon= 16.2%. Luzon that is using electric trains is very much in need of additional generation compared to both Visayas and Mindanao.
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just a question... so if it is single track... does it mean that trips between the cities will be not very frequent? Like 2 to 3 trips a day and there will be sections of 2 tracks to allow two trains running both directions to pass each other before going on a single track... tama ba?

I guess it's a good move to a least get the people in those cities see the benefit of rail....

it will include cargo, right?
Pede naman tumakbo ito ng bi-directional kahit 1 track lang kaso mag-aantayan ang mga tren bago mag-go pero dapat 2 tracks ang platform
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Old July 18th, 2019, 03:34 AM   #450
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Pede naman tumakbo ito ng bi-directional kahit 1 track lang kaso mag-aantayan ang mga tren bago mag-go pero dapat 2 tracks ang platform
There are passing loops at predetermined locations, signalling tells train driver if another train is in the track where he's at.
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Single-track railway systems were the norm in the US before. They just install passing sidings for trains to pass each other.

But Mindanao doesn't have a shortage issue now, FYI. Go to the NGCP website and see. % reserves" Mindanao = 37.7%; Visayas= 22.1% and Luzon= 16.2%. Luzon that is using electric trains is very much in need of additional generation compared to both Visayas and Mindanao.
You obviously haven't stayed in Davao City or CDO City for a few days during the summer... Or have enough friends in those cities screaming about the rotating brownouts.

Coal-fired power plants are still being built to keep up with demand. It will take more than the next 3 years to be on the surplus side or at least ensure systems like this rail won't get a glitch.

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just a question... so if it is single track... does it mean that trips between the cities will be not very frequent? Like 2 to 3 trips a day and there will be sections of 2 tracks to allow two trains running both directions to pass each other before going on a single track... tama ba?

I guess it's a good move to a least get the people in those cities see the benefit of rail....

it will include cargo, right?
They will have sections where there are double tracks where trains can bypass each other, either at the stations or somewhere in between depending on the distances between stations and how long they dispatch trains between stations.

Hopefully the rails they're going to use would be ready for freight trains, but for now, it's for commuters.
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"THE Department of Transportation (DoTr) said ... the [Mindanao] rail line was downgraded to single track and non-electric to speed up implementation. "

So, how do you "eat an elephant?"
Small portions of course.

IMHO, this is a sensible move for DoTR if only to get things started and prove to Mindanaoans that "change is coming" in the transport sector.

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Pwede naman nila gawing FFBNW aka "abangers".
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You obviously hasn't stayed in Davao City or CDO City for a few days during the summer... Or have enough friends in those cities screaming about the rotating brownouts.

Coal-fired power plants are still being built to keep up with demand. It will take more than the next 3 years to be on the surplus side or at least ensure systems like this rail won't get a glitch.
I'm more in Mindanao these days. More than your visits to the island. When you said they're still being built, they have been built already. There is no shortage of power in Mindanao for the moment. What you may have experienced could be operational outages in the past. Figures on the NGCP website don't lie. It's what people say that are questionable sometimes.
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I'm more in Mindanao these days. More than your visits to the island. When you said they're still being built, they have been built already. There is no shortage of power in Mindanao for the moment. What you may have experienced could be operational outages in the past. Figures on the NGCP website don't lie. It's what people say that are questionable sometimes.
So you're saying there was no rotating brownout just this summer?
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So you're saying there was no rotating brownout just this summer?
What I said, operational outages are frequent due to the aging infrastructure and maintenance problems. LINK
Or read here LINK
There is installed capacity in the island. The problem is that people wanted to pay for running bunker-fed generation at the price of hydro! Beat that mindset!
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Old July 19th, 2019, 08:49 AM   #459
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Mindanao Railway Downgrade

Downgrading to an old system (diesel) is a waste of time and money. Quickly building now and doing a fix/repair/upgrade later will be more costly than just building the electric system now. Only doing a single-track now with room to add a second track later seems like a better plan. If there was better project planning, research and surveying starting in 2015, the situation today would have been avoided. Oh well. There must be a better project planning procedure to avoid discovering issues 3 years after an Alignment was first proposed in 2015 and finally surveyed in 2019. It is a sad situation at this point.
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Diesel trains still have a place in this world. The path for these trains and train system now is to go hybrid.
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