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Old March 20th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #1
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Waterfront South | Walsall | Mixed-Use | Comp.

This one is huge, so definitely needs it's own thread.

Developers: Jessup
Architects: SP Faizey Architects
Structural engineers: Stewart and Harris
Website: http://waterfrontsouth.jessupbrothers.co.uk/
Planning application: 07/0618/FL/W7

Apartments: 344
Office space: 4,797 sq m
Parking: 131 spaces
Commercial space: 330 sq m (A1, A3, D2) and 400 sq m (A2, B1, D2)
Approved: June 2007

General discussion: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=307088

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Flythrough video: http://waterfrontsouth.jessupbrother...lythrough.html

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Old March 20th, 2010, 08:17 PM   #2
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And here's a news article confirming the start of construction in Feb 2010:
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Regional Minister launches Waterfront South scheme in Walsall
February 2010

The Regional Minister for the West Midlands Ian Austin MP launched the building work on the first phase of our new homes development at Walsall’s Waterfront South on February 8th to begin its transformation as a dynamic canalside quarter

The planning of this development has been some four years in the making and is the result of extensive collaboration with the local authority and Walsall Regeneration Company and ourselves.

Having achieved Preferred Partner status with the Homes and Communities Agency [HCA], we received direct grant funding of £8.7m from the HCA Kickstart 1 programme [the second largest in the country and the largest in the regions], for the first phase of the development.

The Start Event of the development was held at the internationally renowned New Art Gallery Walsall, which is adjacent to the scheme, and forms a cultural backdrop to the development. Ian Austin told guests at the launch: “I am delighted to celebrate the start of work on this first phase of over 150 homes for local people. This has only been possible because the Government decided to increase spending to get Britain through the downturn, keep the economy moving and save jobs in the construction industry.

Waterfront South is a tangible example of the success of the Government programme – helping to build the homes that families need, supporting the construction industry, and crucially creating jobs and apprenticeships for local people”.
http://www.jessupbrothers.co.uk/pages/news/news42.php
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Old March 20th, 2010, 08:26 PM   #3
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Cheers for that Erebus. I'll stick my photos, from the other thread, onto here in a bit. The monochrome photo at the top also shows what was the old college, in the bottom right-hand corner. That too will shortly be a building site with the new Tesco going up but I doubt we'll be discussing the architectual merits of that construction too much
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Photos taken March 14th 2010:
















that last one is looking back into Town - not too disimilar to this view
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Old March 21st, 2010, 05:01 PM   #5
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Good to see this finally starting

Walsall needs a nice new rail station.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 09:52 PM   #6
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Waterfront South

Correct me if I'm wrong but this development is only for the social housing element and not the glazed office block that is shown on some of the rendered elevations?
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WTF........social housing element
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That's correct Outlook Sweet (welcome to the forum, by the way). This development was phased anyway, but it received a large grant from the government earlier this year which allowed the most important part of the project to commence. I think some 130 homes may be in this part... Jessup say that they intend to start work on phase 2, some 180 properties, later this year.
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Weird I thought that the whole idea behind new inner city developments was to attract the wealthy not replicate the council estates of the 60s and 70s....

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Well, social housing is the wrong phrase to use really. With all private developments, like this, which have over 29 (might be 25 actually) residential properties, have to make provisions for affordable housing. This is usually 10% of the housing being classes as affordable, but this is never set in stone - it's usually negotiated by the council and the developer. The negotiations also include how much the developer will be paid for the units, although it was recently identified that council's left this down to the developer and the Registered Social Landlord (the group that will maintain and manage the properties).

The Registered Social Landlord can be anyone - though usually a housing association. They have all sorts of different aims, but it is very often to give those who won't usually have the opportunity to, to get their own place. Though some deal with ex-criminals, former drug addicts or first time buyers.

So it's nothing to do with council estates. And there's nothing wrong with council estates, unless managed properly and designed well.

Every new major housing estate you see has a proportion of affordable housing, and the fact that you rarely ever see any issues on these estates, especially arising from the affordable housing elements, shows the success of things like this.
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I see that sounds much better....
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As I understand it Jessups now have funding for everything except the office block. They will be a mixture of nurses accommodation for the local hospital and affordable housing (being sold to accord housing association).
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Aaah, I wasn't aware of the nurse's accommodation. That makes sense considering Manor Hospital is only a very short distance away.

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Thank you for correcting me it is "affordable" not "social"; to be honest I'm just glad to see some movement in the area hopefully this can generate a bit more interest in the surrounding developments.
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And there's nothing wrong with council estates, unless managed properly and designed well.
I know this was not what you meant for this development but there is everything wrong with 'council estates'. This term implies the ghettoisation of the poor, immigrants and the elderly in purpose built estates where nobody with choices will choose to live. This scheme is the polar opposite - ie the provision of social (or council) housing within a sustainable mixed community which is a much better idea.
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Time for an update

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Well, social housing is the wrong phrase to use really. With all private developments, like this, which have over 29 (might be 25 actually) residential properties, have to make provisions for affordable housing. This is usually 10% of the housing being classes as affordable, but this is never set in stone - it's usually negotiated by the council and the developer. The negotiations also include how much the developer will be paid for the units, although it was recently identified that council's left this down to the developer and the Registered Social Landlord (the group that will maintain and manage the properties).

The Registered Social Landlord can be anyone - though usually a housing association. They have all sorts of different aims, but it is very often to give those who won't usually have the opportunity to, to get their own place. Though some deal with ex-criminals, former drug addicts or first time buyers.

So it's nothing to do with council estates. And there's nothing wrong with council estates, unless managed properly and designed well.

Every new major housing estate you see has a proportion of affordable housing, and the fact that you rarely ever see any issues on these estates, especially arising from the affordable housing elements, shows the success of things like this.
Actually this is quite true, My aunt worked for Braintree District Council and was in charge of a housing estate in a little town called Witham. This estate had numerous social problems, the reason being that her predecessor was to liberal in the way things were run. Things like extensions built without planning permission were rife, people not paying rent, kids out of control, leaving trash in the street and in the gardens etc etc.

Not that these were major in the same way that things can affect areas here but it can lead to a downward spiral that can be difficult (and expensive) to fix in the long run.

Grabbing the bull by the horns she made sure everyone was paying their rent on time, threatening eviction if they didn't keep in line. got a taskforce together to make sure poorly built extensions or those that had to planning permission were pulled out and the council houses rebuilt, made sure the parents of the kids were under control so that the kids wouldn't mis-behave. Removed all graffiti off the estate and tidied up areas that attracted problems - even took measures to improve the street lighting. Made sure that any requested repairs and known faults were done and not hanging around on the books - she was incredibly efficient at this.

The result. Demand for moving onto the estate shot up and there was a two year waiting list to move in. The general consensus was that it was a safe estate to walk in, a pleasant estate to live in and as a result, people actually wanted to buy their houses there too.
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That's a good testament

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Last but not least the waterfront, its really taking shape now and its a lot bigger than what I first thought.

























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