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Old June 8th, 2019, 01:42 AM   #8861
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Same problem as current A380-800... you need to fill your plane to full or almost full to get the "lowest cost per passenger" .. easy thing in peak seaons.. but very hard at other times of the year
They just need to re-engine the A380 and shorten the wing.

The A380 needs to be in a situation where its just as cost effective as the 777 when at 80% full for it to be attractive. This makes it almost risk free buying an A380 over 777/A350s etc.

Though without a big investor - I doubt this program will revive...
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Old June 17th, 2019, 03:16 AM   #8862
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QF A380 VHOQA under going flap replacement which was damaged last week by a catering truck
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 08:12 PM   #8863
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They just need to re-engine the A380 and shorten the wing.

The A380 needs to be in a situation where its just as cost effective as the 777 when at 80% full for it to be attractive. This makes it almost risk free buying an A380 over 777/A350s etc.

Though without a big investor - I doubt this program will revive...
No no no no no.

To be just as cost effective as 777 it needs to be a twin engined aircraft. The problem is, we simply don't have the engine technology to produce such a powerful engine.

It's useless. Anyway thee A350-1000, a new version anyways, will kill every case for the 380 soon
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Old June 24th, 2019, 04:57 PM   #8864
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No no no no no.

To be just as cost effective as 777 it needs to be a twin engined aircraft. The problem is, we simply don't have the engine technology to produce such a powerful engine.

It's useless. Anyway thee A350-1000, a new version anyways, will kill every case for the 380 soon
An A350-1000 can just take 366 Passenger in 3 classes. An old 747-400 can take 50 Passengers more. Even the A340-600 could take more passengers...
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Old June 24th, 2019, 05:20 PM   #8865
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An A350-1000 can just take 366 Passenger in 3 classes. An old 747-400 can take 50 Passengers more. Even the A340-600 could take more passengers...
The maximum certified amount of passengers for the A350-1000 is actually 440 and not 366 and some airlines such as Air Caraibes are planning to put 440 seats in it.

Furthermore, an even more stretched A350-1100 is also in discussion.
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Old July 5th, 2019, 09:08 AM   #8866
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The maximum certified amount of passengers for the A350-1000 is actually 440 and not 366 and some airlines such as Air Caraibes are planning to put 440 seats in it.

Furthermore, an even more stretched A350-1100 is also in discussion.
The max amount for passengers for a 747-400 is 660.

I just used a 3 class configuration for both.
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Old July 9th, 2019, 04:12 PM   #8867
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Inspections ordered on some Airbus A380s after wing cracks found
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PARIS, July 9 (Reuters) - European regulators have ordered inspections on some older Airbus A380 superjumbo airplanes after some cracks were detected in wings on the world's largest passenger aircraft.

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) directive, which formalises an instruction from the manufacturer itself, covers part of the outer wing on the 25 oldest aircraft, which first went into service in 2007 with Singapore Airlines.

Airbus said the safety of the aircraft was not affected.

"We confirm that small cracks have been found on the outer rear wing spars of early production A380 aircraft. We have identified the issue and designed an inspection and repair scheme." an Airbus spokesman said.

The repairs, which must be carried out within 15 years of the initial wing box assembly, can be carried out during scheduled heavy maintenance visits, he added.

EASA in its directive said the condition, if not detected and corrected, could reduce the structural integrity of the wing.
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Old July 9th, 2019, 06:20 PM   #8868
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The initial A380s already had a wing crack problem that was fixed. Why is it re appearing then?
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Old July 17th, 2019, 11:34 AM   #8869
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The max amount for passengers for a 747-400 is 660.

I just used a 3 class configuration for both.
660 in a 747? Nope. Japan Airlines and All Nippon operated 747-400s on domestic routes with all-tourist seating. No trolley-service galleys and no cabin dividers. The maximum they squeezed in was 579, including at the rear of the upper deck where the standard config was a galley. There were extra windows up there too.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 11:45 AM   #8870
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The A380 is not doing so well and the 747 also.

So the largest plane you can order will be a 414 seating 777-9. That is less than the old 747-400. I wonder if there is really no demand for larger planes.

The 747 was a very successful plane where we had 50% less air traffic.


I wonder if a A380-900 would be better as the costs per passenger should be lower, than from any other plane.
The flying demographic has changed from hub-based traffic to point-to-point based. For example, previously to fly from London to Austin you would fly via a major hub in the USA and connect. These days British Airways offers a direct 787 service, by-passing the hubs and the need for two sectors. Also, four-engined aircraft simply cannot offer an efficiency over twins.
There are special cases, such as Emirates and its mega-hub at Dubai, or BA with its slot constrained operation at Heathrow. But even Emirates couldn't order enough A380s to make it viable to continue production.
The 747-400/-800 freighters are also a special case, as they can move a huge tonnage over long stages, or load straight in for large items using the nose door. The A380 interior shapes just didn't work well for a cargo version.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 11:51 AM   #8871
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Can any of you experts confirm a definitive list of the A380 airframes still to be completed?
The best I have seen so far is from the excellent Dutch page ABCD List, and suggests the production line will finish:
264 A6-EVM
265 Not Built
266 JA383A
267 A6-EVN
268 A6-EVO
269 A6-EVP
270 A6-EVQ
271 A6-EVR
272 A6-EVS
All apart from 272 are noted as 'parts built'
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Old July 26th, 2019, 01:07 AM   #8872
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Can I just say,

someone is bluffing well...

There are suddenly a lot of A380s to replace very soon. And Aeroflot is on the prowl for a 400-seater.

Surely the 777-10 and A350-2000 are being looked at??
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Old July 30th, 2019, 08:08 PM   #8873
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Air France has announced that they will retire their full A380 fleet by 2022.

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news...ance-klm-fleet


They haven't decided on it's replacement yet, they are looking at their options with the new generation jets. Earlier reports suggested that it was between the A330neo and the 787 with the A350 being too expensive. So the A380s will be replaced by significantly smaller planes.
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Old July 30th, 2019, 08:54 PM   #8874
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So the A380s will be replaced by significantly smaller planes.
Well, they can't be replaced by larger ones .
While it has been published as "the A380 will be replaced by half smaller jets", I believe the situation will be more contrasted, with the overall goal of increasing frequencies.
So an A380 can be replaced by a single 777-300ER, or by 2 787/A330, or something like 777-300ER + A380 -> 3 x A350.

So, if they want to keep the same capacity, the long-haul fleet will have to grow in number... the news said they don't have money for more A350s (especially the -1000).
However, they will get 28 A350-900s, which will replace the 3 remaining A340 (there is still one 787 to come which also replaces an A340) and some of the older 777-200ERs. Those 77Es are between 17 and 21 years old, but hey have been refurbished recently with the new cabin, and I think they might just stay in the fleet longer, while the upcoming A359s replace the A380s.
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Old August 5th, 2019, 09:17 PM   #8875
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Actually I dont see alot of increasing frequencies on trunk routes (not only AF), where A380 fly at the moment. It the A380 was money maker and has enough big load factor, I'm sure there will be no need to retire so early. So, my prediction is, that almost every A380 route will be 'just' replaced with more fuel efficient planes (B777 or A350), and AF will instantly make more money on them...
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Old August 6th, 2019, 09:24 AM   #8876
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Air France has announced that they will retire their full A380 fleet by 2022.

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news...ance-klm-fleet


They haven't decided on it's replacement yet, they are looking at their options with the new generation jets. Earlier reports suggested that it was between the A330neo and the 787 with the A350 being too expensive. So the A380s will be replaced by significantly smaller planes.
Maybe it should get more Boeing 787-9s, especially it has started receiving them. The main problem would be, how many seats will be left for economy class if it goes for 4-class on that aircraft (F, J, W, Y)? Maybe it can order more Boeing 777-300ERs, if not go for the new B777-8X or 9X wherein it will be easy for AF to configure them in a 4-class fashion similar to its current 77Ws... the A330NEO, though, would be a lukewarm compromise unless AF really finds a way to market it for premium destinations.
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