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Old December 18th, 2019, 01:22 PM   #161
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Setanta centre looks really crap too. I guess you wouldnt experience that mountain of awful setbacks at street level so maybe it wont be as bad in person
The problem is you will see the mountain of setbacks from within the Trinity campus around the cricket and rugby pitches. A very busy area with students and tourists alike.

As for the Kildare Street proposal. Reject. Reject. Reject.
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Yeah it looks crap. The sooner this hotel bubble bursts the better, the same hotel getting proposed all over the place.
Its the same fúcking building getting built all over Dublin. This double-height metal framed glass bollox. Zero imagination.
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Old December 20th, 2019, 12:38 AM   #163
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Yeah it looks crap. The sooner this hotel bubble bursts the better, the same hotel getting proposed all over the place.
Be careful what you wish for!

If the "hotel bubble" bursts it will be because a lot of other bubbles have burst first.
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Old December 21st, 2019, 04:04 PM   #164
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Its the same fúcking building getting built all over Dublin. This double-height metal framed glass bollox. Zero imagination.
And this architectural style came from the UK so it's not even unique to Ireland.
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Old December 22nd, 2019, 12:34 AM   #165
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Its the same fúcking building getting built all over Dublin. This double-height metal framed glass bollox. Zero imagination.
Was telling the same for last 2 or 3 years and got bashed on this forum many times as grumble.
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Old December 22nd, 2019, 01:28 AM   #166
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I’m in Melbourne at the moment, so. Many cool buildings , everywhere, many aren’t even high rise. Dublin is a jaw dropper in terms of how bad a lot of the architecture is and how farcical and out of scale the docklands is. I don I’ve seen a bloody set back here either !!!
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Old December 22nd, 2019, 03:30 AM   #167
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I’m in Melbourne at the moment, so. Many cool buildings , everywhere, many aren’t even high rise. Dublin is a jaw dropper in terms of how bad a lot of the architecture is and how farcical and out of scale the docklands is. I don I’ve seen a bloody set back here either !!!
One of my favourite cities Have a wonder down to their own docklands to see what we could have had in Dublin. Much like Dublin its still a work in progress but its got similar geography to Grand Canal Dock yet far better designed with a fully pedestrianised waterfront lined with bars and restaurants, a nice skyline and much better public realm
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Old January 9th, 2020, 06:37 PM   #168
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It really does look like a block from the docklands has been dropped in the middle of Nassau St.

Some use of brick or a warmer stone like that on the Barclays building on Molesworth St, along with more vertical emphasis for the facade would have been much more suitable.
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Old January 10th, 2020, 01:33 AM   #169
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I never been to Melbourne but from what I see on internet, outside of skyscraper district it seems to be very low and having a lot of green open space. It is hard to believe wikipedia records saying it has 10 times lower density than Dublin (500 compare to 4.800 inhabitants per square kilometer) but it is possible...
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Old January 10th, 2020, 11:07 PM   #170
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I never been to Melbourne but from what I see on internet, outside of skyscraper district it seems to be very low and having a lot of green open space. It is hard to believe wikipedia records saying it has 10 times lower density than Dublin (500 compare to 4.800 inhabitants per square kilometer) but it is possible...
City density numbers are notoriously difficult to compare because there is no standard way of defining the actual area of a city. For example the Melbourne metropolitan area is apparently nearly 10,000 square km so I'm not surprised the density calculated over such an area is low.

There are as many definitions of what comprises a "metropolitan area" as there are statistics bodies. Some stats bodies use the Greater Dublin Area (i.e. including Kildare, Meath and Wicklow) while others use the areas governed by the city councils.

Clearly the choice you make in this regard will have a huge effect on your "density" calculation. As an extreme example using Dublin, if you use the GDA you have about 7,000 km2 containing about 2m inhabitants (about 300/km2) while if you use the more traditional Dublin city definition you have about 600k living in 115km2 (5000 per km2).
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Old January 11th, 2020, 12:29 AM   #171
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I say what I see, outside of central skyscraper district Melbourne seems to be covered with low 2 and 1.5 floor high houses and bungalows:



This city goes from very low density straight to very high without any form of transition:



Complete opposite compare to European cities like Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Brussels of Copenhagen. I would rather see European type of urbanism in Dublin but we probably are cardcoded to the one like Melbourne...
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Old January 11th, 2020, 12:31 AM   #172
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Can we please keep on topic?
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Old January 11th, 2020, 12:41 PM   #173
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I never been to Melbourne but from what I see on internet, outside of skyscraper district it seems to be very low and having a lot of green open space. It is hard to believe wikipedia records saying it has 10 times lower density than Dublin (500 compare to 4.800 inhabitants per square kilometer) but it is possible...
You're comparing an area of 115 sq km (Dublin City Council) to an area 10,000 sq km (Greater Melbourne). That's an area half the size of Leinster.

The 'City of Melbourne' (37 sq km) is a better comparison.
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Old January 14th, 2020, 01:52 PM   #174
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That disaster of an office block on Kildare Street has been rejected. Undoubtedly this will go to ABP who will provide their usual rubber stamp though, sadly.

https://www.thejournal.ie/council-re...urce=shortlink
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That disaster of an office block on Kildare Street has been rejected. Undoubtedly this will go to ABP who will provide their usual rubber stamp though, sadly.

https://www.thejournal.ie/council-re...urce=shortlink
Thats good, hopefully ABP are better than to allow that. Its for offices, so hopefully they are not as activated as they have been on getting residential into the market lately
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Old January 14th, 2020, 03:45 PM   #176
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To play devils advocate there has been more emotion than reality in relation to this in my honest opinion.

The current building only looks historic but is not of any actual historical significance.

The proper renders show that this has been a complete over reaction by the usual suspects.

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Nope, there's no over-reaction here. Stop looking at a screen and go for an actual stroll along Kildare Street - see what it is replacing, see the entire context of the existing streetscape and not just a tiny sliver that the developer has chosen to render.

Note that I'm totally fine with similar looking developments happening on Nassau Street.
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Old January 14th, 2020, 04:39 PM   #178
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You are taking the piss, right? There is an intact georgian streetscape on this corner, genuine or not. It should be protected to preserve the character of the city, which is in short supply in many areas.

You are too keen on shiny and new. These glass/metals frames may age like milk, our georgian streetscape is timeless. We would be fools not to protect every inch of it.
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To play devils advocate there has been more emotion than reality in relation to this in my honest opinion.

The current building only looks historic but is not of any actual historical significance.

The proper renders show that this has been a complete over reaction by the usual suspects.

How can you say they have no merit? Do you know anything about them? I cant say I do but if they had no merit I don't think people like the Dublin Civic Trust would have reacted so negatively to it. The building viewed in isolation is absolutely fine yes but it is a completely unnecessary intrusion on one of the few very well preserved georgian areas left of the city centre. Basically thanks but no thanks, anywhere but here please
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Old January 14th, 2020, 07:00 PM   #180
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There are two almost fully intact 250 year old Georgian Houses being knocked on Kildare Street as part of this.

Even if they weren't getting knocked though this looks like something you'd see at the end of a game of tetris
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