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Old June 16th, 2004, 05:52 AM   #61
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Old June 19th, 2004, 11:26 PM   #62
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TWC's ability to change color:

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Old June 20th, 2004, 01:20 AM   #63
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Great Towers Guys!!! When where they build?
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Great Towers Guys!!! When where they build?
They were built between 2000 and 2004, and opened in February.
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Awesome pictures! They sure do leave a good mark on the skyline
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Old June 24th, 2004, 07:11 PM   #66
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June 24, 2004


Amid All the Signs, Confusing a Circle for the Square


Columbus Circle isn't Times Square.

That has been the mantra of city planners during the development of the Time Warner Center. By late last week, though, with all the signage around the base of the building, it was getting harder to tell the difference between circle and square.

Besides the store logos that already fill several third- and fourth-story windows (Sephora, J. Crew, A/X Armani Exchange, Bose), and the recent appearance of giant Time Warner and CNN letters at the base of the building's glass prow on West 58th Street, an enormous new banner suddenly obscured one of the center's distinguishing architectural features: the virtually transparent cable-net glass wall framing the central atrium.

The banner, about 60 feet by 45 feet, proclaimed, "Samsung Welcomes the Olympic Flame to New York," heralding its arrival last Saturday. It is true that the banner was up for only a few days. And the image was a torch-bearing athlete, not a cellphone or television. But the only name to appear twice was Samsung.

To all intents and purposes, in other words, it was a billboard.

That is not how Kenneth A. Himmel sees it. He is the president and chief executive of Related Urban Development and the partner in the Time Warner Center project who is responsible for the retail space. Mr. Himmel said the banner reflected the unusual circumstance of New York City's pursuit of the 2012 Olympics and added that such displays would be "very infrequent."

"Is that going to be a normal policy of ours to put something like that up?" Mr. Himmel said. "The answer is no. We would do that only for very special circumstances, under a citywide event, for something the city was sponsoring."

As for those corporate displays in the upper windows of the building's base, Mr. Himmel explained that they masked the stores' back-of-the-house space: windowless areas used for offices, storage or dressing rooms. The signs also provide an identity for stores that otherwise have little or no exposure on the street.

What sets them apart from standard signs, Mr. Himmel said, is that they are recessed four feet behind the glass, making them less obtrusive. "You can argue whether you think it's subtle or not," he said, "but it certainly allows for less commercial signage because it's set back from the window significantly."

And it turns out that there may be a beacon of hope for New Yorkers who like to travel in less commercial circles.

For years, Time Warner has been trying to devise a display to fill the building's empty glass prow, an architectural feature nearly 150 feet high created by the tapering intersection of the curved facade and the straight-edged 58th Street facade. As its thinking evolved, the corporation even considered using that space, which is almost as tall as the Statue of Liberty (without her pedestal), to show some of its many brands.

Finally, it has settled on an architectural sculpture made of rectangular translucent polycarbonate panels alternating with horizontal steel bars, arrayed along a slender spine in a 12-part composition that is meant to conjure the 12 hours on a clock, the 12 months of the year and the 12 notes of the chromatic scale in Western music.

In the day, the sculpture will stand for itself. At night, the internally illuminated elements will change in hue, saturation and intensity, creating abstract imagery and patterns. The company might use the sculpture from time to time to promote special events.

Otherwise, it will be a "peaceful end point," said Philip Pitruzzello, vice president for real estate projects at Time Warner. "Something very slow will be going on. You can think of tai chi - slow, meditative motion using light."

Installation of the sculpture is to begin in late summer or early fall.

"We are very pleased that they moved in that direction," said Richard Barth, executive director of the City Planning Department. "We did not see this as a place where there should be flashing commercial signage."

But the feeling that private interests are dominating the circle was reinforced Friday when a photographer for The New York Times, Nancy Siesel, was taking pictures for this column. Although she was on the sidewalk in front of the Time Warner Center, she said two security guards, neither of whom would identify himself, insisted that she stop.

"You're not allowed to photograph the structure of the building," Ms. Siesel quoted the first guard as telling her. She showed them her press identification card, issued by the Police Department, and insisted that she was within her rights to photograph a building from the public way on assignment. But she said the second guard told her, "If you persist, I'm going to call the police." Pressed, he backed down from this threat.

Though unfamiliar with the particulars of the encounter, Mr. Himmel said, "If someone on our security force stopped a photographer from a newspaper from photographing the building, they probably overstepped."

"There should be no restrictions in terms of the public's ability to photograph the building from the outside," he said, "because it's a public space."

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Old June 25th, 2004, 07:14 PM   #67
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The sculpture sounds like a good addition. Security is all over the center, it makes you uneasy taking pictures, especially inside.

Here's two more skyline pictures found at pbase:

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Old July 24th, 2004, 07:38 PM   #68
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July 24, 2004 -- Five months ago, 5,000 guests celebrated the opening night of the $1.7 billion Time Warner Center.

Boldface names from Governor George Pataki to showgirl Elizabeth Berkeley clinked glasses. Kevin Bacon and Calvin Klein prowled the fourth floor, where world-renowned chefs Thomas Keller and Masa Takayama offered tastings from their new restaurants.

The gossip was about a London financier who had thrown down a record $45 million for a 12,500-square-foot penthouse on the 76th and 77th floors. It was the buzzed-about real estate event of the year.

But don't worry if you missed it. While Time Warner Center might have seemed like the city's hottest destination, there's still time to move in.

"I would've thought it would be sold out by now," says Jonathan Miller of leading New York real estate appraiser Miller Samuel.

"With its location and views, I would've expected it to be sold out in a year and a half, and it's been three," he says. "This isn't inconsistent with other projects we've seen lately, but it's not fast."

Five of the units left are in the Mandarin Oriental, the 65-unit northern tower that's said to have attracted a jazzy, jet-setting group of largely foreign buyers. The remaining 20 are in One Central Park, the southern tower with 135 units overall. Available units run the gamut from a $2 million two-bedroom on the 53rd floor of One Central Park to two full-floor, 8,400-square-foot, $30 million penthouses - one in each tower.

According to The Related Group, the center's sponsor, these remaining units are nothing to worry about.

No other New York residential complex has ever sold $300 million of property in three years. And since sales kicked off in August 2001, there have been six price increases, raising prices for the units about 18 percent. And hey, Ricky Martin lives there.

"The reality ended up being better than the dream for us," says Susan DeFranca, senior vice president at Related. "It's not like we're at 85 percent [sold] because we had to slash prices to unload everything."

One factor affecting the rate of sales has been a crush of recent entrants in the super-luxury market. Trump Park Avenue and One Beacon Court (Beyonc‚'s building) have brought 255 units to the market.

Miller points out that similar buildings like 515 Park, the Chatham and 838 Fifth all sold out within a year in the late 1990s, but at 35 units, 96 units and 10 units respectively, they are all smaller.

Certainly the Time Warner Center has brought up prices in its neighborhood. Since marketing for the project began three years ago, condo prices in the Lincoln Center area have gone up 50 percent. That's compared to just 19.8 percent for Manhattan as a whole, according to Miller Samuel research.

At the same time, the Time Warner Center has taken business away from nearby buildings. "I had two apartments at 2 Central Park West, and a year ago they would've been sold in two months," says the Corcoran Group's Patricia Cliff. "But I must've shown them 50 times, and everyone who came to look ended up buying at Time Warner. It was just like this siphon for the whole neighborhood."

Early buyers at Time Warner, no doubt aware of the price rise, have moved to resell or rent out their units. Douglas Elliman's Michael Shvo currently has a $7.5 million sales listing for a three-bedroom, 3 1/2-bath corner unit in the south building.

The seller purchased early for $5.5 million, and was turning down $7 million offers for the unit within a week of putting it on the market.

"Obviously, there was a tremendous amount of hype around the product, and there's always a slowdown when a building's finished - the hype can't go on forever," Shvo says. "But it's not that the enthusiasm went down. People are very happy there."

Cliff says she currently gets at least three prospective renters calling each day for a $12,500-a-month, 1,400-square-foot one-bedroom facing the park. An $8,000 two-bedroom listed by Bellmarc was just pulled, when the owner decided to stay put.

What residents do get is unencumbered shopping. There are more than 40 upscale stores, known collectively as "The Shops at Columbus Circle," on seven levels. Since the center opened in February, 97 percent of the retail space has been leased, according to Kenneth Himmel, president and CEO of Related Urban Development.

From February to June, combined sales for the center rose every month, averaging $1,200 a square foot. "That's not good - that's spectacular," Himmel says. "I said publicly that I'd be incredibly happy if this project hit $1,000 a square foot."

Foot traffic at those stores is often light. Save for the ridiculous overcrowding at basement behemoth Whole Foods (a recent lunchtime visit was replete with salad-bar elbowing), weekday activity in the shops is slow.

"We're definitely a weekend store," says Conisha Wade, manager at J. Crew. "During the week, we do have some people from CNN who shop on their lunch hour. But traffic's not heavy."

Last Tuesday, Bar Masa - the 39-seat neighbor of ultra-exclusive sushi joint Masa - was seating walk-in customers with no wait. A lone customer sat at the bar as waiters clustered in front of the kitchen. "We're not surprised we're able to seat people really quickly," manager Tommy Todd says. "This is a mall and you have to get New Yorkers to overcome that."

Still, some retail tenants report numbers that reflect Himmel's glowing assessment. Solstice, the upscale sunglasses store on the third floor, consistently posts the biggest profits of all the chain's 40 national outlets, according to assistant manager Chris Bryant.

And there are several new tenants yet to move into the center. Gray Kunz's Caf‚ Gray is scheduled to open Sept. 1, the Bouchon Bakery should open just before Christmas and the new restaurant from steak maven Charlie Trotter is expected to open next spring.

As for the residences, "there are a lot of New Yorkers who don't want condos and shopping downstairs - who want a more discreet experience," says Hall Wilkie, president of luxury broker Brown Harris Stevens. "It appeals to a high-end part of the condo market, and it's a lot of inventory to absorb."

"But they've been getting great prices, it's made such a change to the neighborhood, it's been important to the city. So is it a success? That's an unqualified yes."

Others remain more skeptical about the center. "Look, this was a big building to sell out - when you have 200 apartments to sell, it's kind of hard to have people breaking down the doors and getting into bidding wars," says Cliff, who has sold four apartments in the building and rented two. "Is it a success? It's much too soon to say. The jury's still out."
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Old July 25th, 2004, 01:30 PM   #69
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Those buildings are outstanding.
I specially like the one from central park, that it´s great.
Anyway those byuildings are improving a lot the skyline in that section of town
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Awesome pics, savethewtc. The first one you posted towards the top of the page is gorgeous.

I absolutely love the TWC. The reflective glass is beautiful, and it was great to go back home and spot it out in the skyline, even from all the way on the Whitestone and Throg's Neck! It definately makes a wonderful addition. We may end up getting stuck with the Freedom Tower, but at least further uptown, New York has it's own little slice of the twins.
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$2 million for a single apartment, $30 million for each penthouse, $12,500 per month for the rents units... of course this complex is having trouble filling itself up.

By the way, I went inside the place last Wednesday, and the shopping mall was pretty impressive- and clean.
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Originally Posted by savethewtc
More pictures from November 2003 from skyscrapers.com:

Time Warner Center North Tower:

Mandarin Oriental Hotel entrance:

Mandarin Hotel logo illuminated:

The chandelier inside Mandarin Oriental lobby:

View to Southwest:

Once again, thanks for posting my pics.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 02:30 AM   #73
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interestingly enough I couldn't find a thread about these towers in the project section, and since I'm too lazy to open one I'll just post pics here:

taken from the 59th street, then on Broadway around the Lincoln center
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 02:53 AM   #74
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great pics 3tmk, shows how tall these buildings really are!!
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Very good shots 3tmk, the sky worked perfectly with the towers. You picked the right day, it was BEAUTIFUL.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 03:35 AM   #76
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Outstanding pics 3tmk.
Also thumbs up Jack..(posted in late june)..nice images..

Look's like a really nice spot.
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I like them even less than I did when they were proposed. They just look so cheap, banal and totally uninspiring. When I look at this project, it doesn't make me excited about getting into architecture, it makes me want to change my major to history or something.
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I like them- simple, clean, modern lines. I love the classics but NYC needs more contemporary stuff. This will blend in well w/those structures to come in the future. Wish they were 20-30 stories more tho
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Old August 28th, 2004, 09:27 PM   #79
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I'm still wondering when they're gonna light up the building at night, I've seen nothing so far.
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Old August 28th, 2004, 09:59 PM   #80
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The time warner center is stunning, they are almost like having small glass wtc twin towers.
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