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Old April 23rd, 2019, 12:30 AM   #581
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According to Future Melbourne Committee paper is 241m 64 levels, although thatís not to say itís as per the awarded permit.

Some light reading
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/abo...item%206.2.pdf
City Council is not the final planning authority. DELWP and Richard Wynne have the final say.

MCC gave the tick at the taller heights (both towers equal height as well).
However DELWP, Richard Wynne (and possibly Jill Garner - state architect) chopped it to 60 & 62 levels (with uneven heights).

That chop is a given. Tower was approved with a chop. According to Iozza the developer / sales were not happy about this, but accepted it.

There now may have been another chop down to 58 & 59 levels (according to Archi & now Barwon Boy). This chop was initiated by the developer. Why? Either one of these reasons I would believe:

- Expenditure reduction, capital raising difficulties maybe?

- Engineering related, load-bearing issues related to tunnels underneath maybe?

My gut instinct, the latter (load-bearing).
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Old April 23rd, 2019, 02:21 AM   #582
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I may be well off beam here but has anyone considered that maybe the reduction in floors is due to some redesign that has resulted in increased height of some levels that are used for entrance, entertainment, leisure, conference facilities etc? And therefore there is no height decrease?
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Old April 23rd, 2019, 02:44 AM   #583
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I may be well off beam here but has anyone considered that maybe the reduction in floors is due to some redesign that has resulted in increased height of some levels that are used for entrance, entertainment, leisure, conference facilities etc? And therefore there is no height decrease?
Yep, think I mentioned this awhile back......there are a number of double and even triple height floors.
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Old April 23rd, 2019, 03:13 AM   #584
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Yep, think I mentioned this awhile back......there are a number of double and even triple height floors.
Yep, By the Gardens already had taller than usual floors.

I am doubtful of Decutur's speculation, but we are blind at the moment, so it can't be ruled out.

Very likely this has shrunk. Win some, lose some. Should still be superb if the chop is minimised.
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Old May 7th, 2019, 07:50 AM   #585
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They're excavating around that concrete culvert (?), which extends south/north across the site.







Not sure what part this plays in the project, but they're spending quite a bit of time on this stretch on the eastern side of the driveway.

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Old May 14th, 2019, 03:31 AM   #586
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Some very interesting news on site today. Spoke to a man quite high up from Delta

He said that the foundations are a "Raft Set Up" and "on such a massive scale", has never been done before in Australia. The tunnels are about 30m down, but the towers foundations are going on each side of the tunnels about 50m down, and then they are going to do a 48 hour continuous concrete pour in raft configuration over the top of the tunnels, therefore transferring the weight of the Towers Load onto the foundations on each side, not affecting the tunnels at all....

He said because of this raft technique, the final height and load of the towers have no effect on the tunnels as they are transferred around the tunnels

Poses the question as to whether there has been any height reductions all?
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Old May 14th, 2019, 03:41 AM   #587
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Some very interesting news on site today. Spoke to a man quite high up from Delta

He said that the foundations are a "Raft Set Up" which has never been done before in Australia. The tunnels are about 30m down, but the towers foundations are going on each side of the tunnels about 50m down, and then they are going to do a 48 hour continuous concrete pour in raft configuration over the tunnels, therefore transferring the weight of the Towers onto the foundations on each side, not affecting the tunnels at all

He said because of this, the height of the Towers have nothing to do with the tunnels..

Poses the question as to whether there has been any height reductions all?
Our insiders say there has been a height chop of a couple floors initiated by the developer (Setia).

So if it is not engineering related then it has to be market/economics related.

If so, we have had two height chops here, one by planning and the other by the developer.

Mystery continues.
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Our insiders say there has been a height chop of a couple floors initiated by the developer (Setia).

So if it is not engineering related then it has to be market/economics related.

If so, we have had two height chops here, one by planning and the other by the developer.

Mystery continues.
I said all along it was not an engineering issue...big cities all around the world manage to build on top of existing train tunnels all the time....
One of the towers has 100% been cut down to 57 levels, details of the other tower are sketchy for some reason.
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Old May 14th, 2019, 04:45 AM   #589
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I said all along it was not an engineering issue...big cities all around the world manage to build on top of existing train tunnels all the time....
One of the towers has 100% been cut down to 57 levels, details of the other tower are sketchy for some reason.
But why?

And how many of those floors are double floors?
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Ironically, this developer lead height reduction now makes me way less sad about the planning department chop (from before).

Fate has dictated though shall not be as tall as originally envisaged. Every few months this gets shorter. Pretty soon it may end up only as tall as Collins Place

57 floors --> 210m maybe?
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Old May 14th, 2019, 05:25 AM   #591
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But why?

And how many of those floors are double floors?
For exactly that reason.

There are a few double height floors...so height change won't be drastic...if anything at all.
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For exactly that reason.

There are a few double height floors...so height change won't be drastic...if anything at all.
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Sapphire - 60L - 222m
Shagri-La - 62L - 232m

Which one is 57L now? I assume Sapphire? If so, maybe around 210m to 215m.

Hopefully also with glass fully extended covering any silly hats.
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Sapphire - 60L - 222m
Shagri-La - 62L - 232m

Which one is 57L now? I assume Sapphire? If so, maybe around 210m to 215m.

Hopefully also with glass fully extended covering any silly hats.
I did see 210m and 222m floating around.....but please don't quote me on this one
I will get to the bottom of it.....
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Old May 14th, 2019, 05:44 AM   #594
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210m and 222m would actually be around the mark for 2 to 3 level reductions.
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Old May 14th, 2019, 06:01 AM   #595
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210m and 222m would actually be around the mark for 2 to 3 level reductions.
All depends if some levels have been increased or doubled up to offset the total level reductions as some have suggested.. That would be the ideal scenario

I'm banking on no height reduction, especially in lieu of what the Delta worker said today about the tunnels having no effect on the towers load.. Hopefully we are pleasantly surprised
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You can bank all you like but...

https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/bui...TPMR-2016-21/B

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58, not 57 I see. Every little bit helps.

If that is Sapphire, then it went from 60 to 58, 222m to ??? 215?? 210??

Should still be good.
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Equalized heights maybe?
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how do you see the plans?
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58, not 57 I see. Every little bit helps.

If that is Sapphire, then it went from 60 to 58, 222m to ??? 215?? 210??

Should still be good.
So ridiculous.....I was told to my face that the tower is 100% going to be 57 levels...ah well. Sometimes I reckon us guys on here know more about each project than the developers and builders.
I'm happy to take 58.
Sorry for the misinformation guys.
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