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Old September 11th, 2019, 05:33 AM   #41
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What, you like to go "spotting" people living their daily routine lives like they're part of some freak show just because they're different to you? How sad.


Yeah nah. I'll get excited about going there once I'm done with getting excited over visiting Blacktown, NSW (which is at least safer than there is).
You are literally the most pathetic person on this forum. A typical contrarian with nothing good or constructive to say. And because you’re a contrarian, you’re now a Jewish justice warrior all of a sudden... It’s laughable.

How do you survive with that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder? Get a damn life.
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Define cultural.
Culture is the social and historical underpinnings that are ingrained into a city or a nation's way of life, morals and traditions. Culture takes time to mature and shine and it evolves from a culmination of all the events and experiences a society has gone through, both good and bad. A true form of culture is unique, full of heritage and is instantly recognisable. Avocado on toast or a bearded man strumming a guitar in a laneway simply isn't.

Most of the "culture" we get in Australia comes from migrants, who've come from places with actual, deep cultural underpinnings. Not much of it is ours. Sure, that'll probably evolve into our own form of culture in the future as it has with many countries through the centuries, but for now the most culture we've got is maybe singing Horses in a pub or calling Mcdonalds "Maccas".

Get real guys, you're not going to get much culture from a society that's roughly 200 or so years old, let alone a city that's not even close to being the oldest in Australia. It's delusional to think we've got as much culture as Europe, Asia or even North America. We haven't really gone through much to have developed a true form of culture.
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Thread has already become a train wreck, who could have seen that coming?
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Old September 11th, 2019, 12:41 PM   #44
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Thread has already become a train wreck, who could have seen that coming?
Yeah, well that's what happens when you have certain people that feel the need to refute and discredit every single accomplishment, acclaim or positive aspect of city as if it were a deeply psychological and personal vendetta. It's actually quite bizarre.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 01:04 PM   #45
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Culture is the social and historical underpinnings that are ingrained into a city or a nation's way of life, morals and traditions. Culture takes time to mature and shine and it evolves from a culmination of all the events and experiences a society has gone through, both good and bad. A true form of culture is unique, full of heritage and is instantly recognisable. Avocado on toast or a bearded man strumming a guitar in a laneway simply isn't.

Most of the "culture" we get in Australia comes from migrants, who've come from places with actual, deep cultural underpinnings. Not much of it is ours. Sure, that'll probably evolve into our own form of culture in the future as it has with many countries through the centuries, but for now the most culture we've got is maybe singing Horses in a pub or calling Mcdonalds "Maccas".

Get real guys, you're not going to get much culture from a society that's roughly 200 or so years old, let alone a city that's not even close to being the oldest in Australia. It's delusional to think we've got as much culture as Europe, Asia or even North America. We haven't really gone through much to have developed a true form of culture.
You're equating 'culture' with anything 'old'. Well, a city can be over a 1000 years old and have nowhere the life or vibrancy of Melbourne. 'Culture' is just one of those glorified and pretentious words that's thrown around instead of calling it religious superstition or backwards mentalities. Melbourne's 'culture' = secularism, unionised labour, equality, sport and all the good bits from around the world.
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To finish off this thread I will just say that CementC is according to his previous posts, politically aligned with right of the politics and that is just observation , but at the same time it explains his outdated view of culture and in general the view of life...he is what one would call a cultural elitist, and a snob at that...LOL... forgive me CementC...but I had to explain to people where you are coming from!
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Old September 11th, 2019, 01:42 PM   #47
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Wow, are we really going to start throwing personal insults at each other? Where the hell did that come from?

Yes, i have more conservative views, but i too can generalise and say that because you’re from Melbourne, you’re an inner-city lefty who’s easily triggered and thus can’t take an ounce of criticism and is morally flawed

Doesn’t really do much for proper discussion does it? Geez you really are living up to that reputation of all Melburnians having a chip on their shoulder
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Old September 11th, 2019, 01:50 PM   #48
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No insults commrade... just the explanation of what I think where your type of personality comes from... and it is not Melbourne verses other cities thing... as a matter of fact you expressed a general view of Australian culture and we are just debating it... take care!
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Old September 11th, 2019, 02:24 PM   #49
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You are literally the most pathetic person on this forum. A typical contrarian with nothing good or constructive to say. And because you’re a contrarian, you’re now a Jewish justice warrior all of a sudden... It’s laughable.

How do you survive with that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder? Get a damn life.
Nawwww, does someone need a safe space to have a cry in?

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Culture is the social and historical underpinnings that are ingrained into a city or a nation's way of life, morals and traditions. Culture takes time to mature and shine and it evolves from a culmination of all the events and experiences a society has gone through, both good and bad. A true form of culture is unique, full of heritage and is instantly recognisable. Avocado on toast or a bearded man strumming a guitar in a laneway simply isn't.

Most of the "culture" we get in Australia comes from migrants, who've come from places with actual, deep cultural underpinnings. Not much of it is ours. Sure, that'll probably evolve into our own form of culture in the future as it has with many countries through the centuries, but for now the most culture we've got is maybe singing Horses in a pub or calling Mcdonalds "Maccas".

Get real guys, you're not going to get much culture from a society that's roughly 200 or so years old, let alone a city that's not even close to being the oldest in Australia. It's delusional to think we've got as much culture as Europe, Asia or even North America. We haven't really gone through much to have developed a true form of culture.
Sorry but that's complete codswallop.

Not a single thing in that diatribe that has any basis of fact or even theory!

Purely subjective - you simply can't define something that has no basis other than opinion.

Things like "historical underpinnings". Don't make me laugh. The fact this country is relatively new is irrelevant. Even leaving indigenous culture out of it Australians are the products of immigrants with the same historical links as people living in present day Europe or Asia or wherever their forebears came from.

Culture is indefinable and subjective. And people who claim one culture is superior to another simply because of "oldness" or by throwing around meaningless terms are only showing themselves up.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 02:53 PM   #51
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You're equating 'culture' with anything 'old'. Well, a city can be over a 1000 years old and have nowhere the life or vibrancy of Melbourne. 'Culture' is just one of those glorified and pretentious words that's thrown around instead of calling it religious superstition or backwards mentalities. Melbourne's 'culture' = secularism, unionised labour, equality, sport and all the good bits from around the world.
You're right except you ruin it with your one-eyed Melbourne lens. All Australian cities possess these things in varying degrees. Melbourne is not unique.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 04:01 PM   #52
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Not that it means zip...but hear media usually feel Melbourne is slipping with this or that wrong...because we have dropped to number 2...Give me a break !
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You're equating 'culture' with anything 'old'. Well, a city can be over a 1000 years old and have nowhere the life or vibrancy of Melbourne. 'Culture' is just one of those glorified and pretentious words that's thrown around instead of calling it religious superstition or backwards mentalities. Melbourne's 'culture' = secularism, unionised labour, equality, sport and all the good bits from around the world.
Exactly...we have various "cultures" in my work place and our organisation is only 5 years old.
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For me,
Culture in terms of custom, traditions, and Social Behavior = Asia and Africa
Culture in terms of arts and monuments = Europe
Culture in terms of Aboriginal Culture = Australia (Outside World will only see this)

This is coming from a migrant who calls Sydney home.
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I don't think we'll come to an agreement here but culture takes time to develop imo. Music, arts, architecture, traditions and way of life evolve through a long and complex timeframe of events, necessities and customs.

You can claim all the culture from migrants as "our own" but that doesn't really mean it's actually our own unique culture
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Sad bit is that you are denying yourself a fact that culture is a result of varied influences and often struggle through dominance and war to assert ones ideology; it is often a complex mix of creating your own and accepting other people's ideas...and the chip that seems to be sitting on your shoulder is one of accepting the fact that Australian culture is a result of all those and it cannot be anything else as a matter of fact... you cannot be a cultural purist in that sense and pick what suits you!
I would suggest that you go and read more and engage meaningfully with the notion of culture and its place within society... but somehow I cannot see you wanting to contemplate any of it, since the status quo is more agreeable with the stoic nature of your character... to put it in a subtle way!
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Culture in terms of custom, traditions, and Social Behavior = Asia and Africa
Culture in terms of arts and monuments = Europe
Culture in terms of Aboriginal Culture = Australia (Outside World will only see this)

This is coming from a migrant who calls Sydney home.
Well that is purely about the perceptions of someone's culture you are talking about and that is a totally relevant when it comes to those surveys of livable cities... and obviously while we are riding on the back of a decently good ecenomy we can expect to have good image and good results to follow in general!
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For me,
Culture in terms of custom, traditions, and Social Behavior = Asia and Africa
Culture in terms of arts and monuments = Europe
Culture in terms of Aboriginal Culture = Australia (Outside World will only see this)

This is coming from a migrant who calls Sydney home.
I agreed with you.
There are tangible cultures (majority are based on European/Anglo Saxon culture).
There are intangible cultures (majority are based on Asian/African culture).
High & low culture depends on perceptions.

That being said, Culture & Environment Cities Ranking by EIU are mainly based on the below categories (weight: 25% of total):

~ Humidity/temperature rating (adapted from average weather conditions)
~ Discomfort of climate to travellers (EIU rating)
~ Level of corruption (adapted from Transparency international)
~ Social or religious restrictions (EIU rating)
~ Level of censorship (EIU rating)
~ Sporting availability (EIU field rating of 3 sport indicators)
~ Cultural availability (EIU field rating of 4 cultural indicators)
~ Food & drink (EIU field rating of 4 cultural indicators)
~ Consumer goods & services (EIU rating of product availability)

For what I know, sporting availability is measured by number of stadiums, how many international sporting events being hosted & the attendance.

Cultural availability is measured by how many theatres, how many international festivals are being hosted & international art/concert exhibitions.

And consumer goods & services are based on availability of various of international/ local goods & services.

Sydney is really on the right track to improve its liveable city ranking. There are substantial cultural & sporting projects going to be completed in the next few years:

~ Sydney Modern
~ Australian Museum (Egyptian Tutankhamen exhibition)
~ Opera House Refurbishment
~ Welsh Bay Art Precinct
~ Royal Lyric Theatre
~ Central Barangaroo Lyrics Theatre
~ Western Sydney Lyric Theatre
~ Ultimo Power House Museum’s Lyrics Theatre
~ Parramatta Power House Museum
~ Sydney Zoo
~ Parramatta Riverside Theatre
~ Parramatta Power House Museum
~ Sydney new Fish Market
~ Moore Park Football Stadium
~ Olympics Park Football Stadium
~ Parramatta Football Stadium
~ World ATP Cup
~ HSBC Sydney Sevens
~ Phoenix Art Gallery
~ Carriageworks extension
~ Ultimo Design & Fashion Museum
~ Marrickville Creative Hub (creative art capital)

Gourmet Traveller has released its list on the top 50 restaurants in Australia for 2020. Sydney dominates the field with 21 entries.

Sydney lockout laws to be wound back in the CBD will also improve liveability ranking particularly by Monocle.

World famous Broadway shows Hamilton & Frozen are coming to Sydney.

And the mother of all cultural event, WorldPride 2023 will probably be coming to Sydney with an expected 1 million attendees. It will be the first time held in Asia & Southern Hemisphere.
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