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Old September 6th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #481
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Yu are correct on most of what you say....except i focus most on a few points related to the topic of the discussions...i do not know how to answer in short answers like you do. i wish i had that skill.


You are very right there are aboundence of construction materials outside Cement. and the loss of pre colonial construction technique is in itself a very big loss.Red bricks, Adobe, wood are some of the easily material avaialble en mass. which can end this cronic deficit of housing in the country.....For some of these reasons , that is why you see me be much advocating for Technical education in the country.....If you ever interested in visiting Goma, Beni, Butembo cities etc, you'll witness the vast viriety of construction types a large mixture of Wooden houses, concrete, and Earth houses, esspecially Butembo, Beni areas in Earth housing materials, wood is mostly Goma..


Anyways, i have to admit that im a passionate suppoter of Cemen/Concr and Steel. for my personal reasons.

Im not against "Traditional naterials"....I think there need to an Architecture and Construction School dedicated to these traditional materials and construction technocs...I personally think that is the best way to solve this problem d'habitation.
Je pense lorsqu'on se rend compte des dégâts qui sont faits à la nature, on a plus la même approche. La nature est notre trésor, la nature c'est le divin et accepté des technologies qui nous privent de la nature alors qu'il nous appartient à nous tous est simplement horrible. En premier Mosanto. Comment peut on en arriver à ce que des individus volontairement décident de faire disparaître des plantes mais ils clonent ces plantes et ont un brevet dessus??? How come? Comment peut on laisser des gens faire ça? Polluer les nappes phréatiques ou utiliser des matériaux qui ne respectent pas l'environnement?

Nous devons protéger la nature, sans elle on est RIEN.

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Mass industrialization will be the only way to free ourselves of foreign dominance.

Sceince and tech schools...Mass electricity....and National Roads and Rail transports....I believe this can be achived with KC/Kin which is where the mass Ingas are and Kin's SOSIDER with additional of the kinds....and Katanga's 's established mining industry which woud simply require boosting in electricity in the ar with a few Steel and Iron, smlters considering there is already a chemicals industry....Just a little vision and will.


When I see this country importing construction , chemicals etc materials, textiles, schoes, house wares etc...Its rather sad.
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Nice one!Why the guys are complaining there are no jobs in the country?She needs to modernise de handling of cash in her stations.
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Je pense lorsqu'on se rend compte des dégâts qui sont faits à la nature, on a plus la même approche. La nature est notre trésor, la nature c'est le divin et accepté des technologies qui nous privent de la nature alors qu'il nous appartient à nous tous est simplement horrible. En premier Mosanto. Comment peut on en arriver à ce que des individus volontairement décident de faire disparaître des plantes mais ils clonent ces plantes et ont un brevet dessus??? How come? Comment peut on laisser des gens faire ça? Polluer les nappes phréatiques ou utiliser des matériaux qui ne respectent pas l'environnement?

Nous devons protéger ]
Monsantos is a a very corruption rotten company even in America lots of people hate this company..collution, chemical filled foods, etc..very bad company.

I do not know in European diaspora, but in the US, Congolese stick to Congolese foods, organic foods (mostly sold by Asians andMexican store).


Indeed, I would not like to see ANY Foreigners into Congolese agricultural/foods industry.....This is a matter of national security.. non negotiable.
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Nice one!Why the guys are complaining there are no jobs in the country?She needs to modernise de handling of cash in her stations.
They only consider working in office as the "Vrais musala". lol

There are many young people that really have screwed up mentality in Kin.,,,This class of lazy youth need re-education program. send them to labour camp for a year or 2. teach them skills and what a job is. they will sober up.

If you told them to go do farming. they will look at you like crazy.. "na sala bilanga?"...but they would keep saying misala eza te....and the little money they get, they will buy kitendi. lol

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Les prix des MP sont fixés par les acheteurs, c'est comme si dans ton shop les clients fixent les prix pour toi.
Rationalisons, je mange du manioc (feuille, tubercule) tous les jours, est ce que je mange le chocolat tous les jours? Non. Donc au lieu de réserver 70% des champs au cacao et 30 % au manioc, je vais inverser premièrement cette répartition et ensuite je vais transformer moi même mes matières premières sur place non pas dans un but d'exporter le produit finis d'abord mais de fournir le marché local et ensuite s'il y'a sur plus et qu'il ne trouve pas d'acheteurs locaux j'exporte. J'ai pas besoin de vendre en Europe avec un système des regroupements au niveau africain, il y a des cultures qui poussent mieux dans certains coins et pas dans d'autres, donc si la matière première se raréfie en Europe, les prix seront élevés.

Question de priorité et de logique simplement.

Les occidentaux controllent les prix des matieres premieres partly par la manipulation....They pit us against each other....African contre African, Sud contre Sud......If we don't unite, big problem for us...

If you don't give them at their price, they go to South America or South east Asia....because Africa needs hard currency/devise to support our currencies, we sell ourselves as result

It is well known after Congolese kicked out Belgians after our independence, the Belgians took all the records of research and development in agric crops such as Palm, cocoa etc.. accumulated over the years to South east Asia ( Indonesia,etc...). Shortly after, Indonesia/Malaysia became number 1 producer of matieres premieres that Congo used to produce...
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Les occidentaux controllent les prix des matieres premieres partly par la manipulation....They pit us against each other....African contre African, Sud contre Sud......If we don't unite, big problem for us...

If you don't give them at their price, they go to South America or South east Asia....because Africa needs hard currency/devise to support our currencies, we sell ourselves as result

It is well known after Congolese kicked out Belgians after our independence, the Belgians took all the records of research and development in agric crops such as Palm, cocoa etc.. accumulated over the years to South east Asia ( Indonesia,etc...). Shortly after, Indonesia/Malaysia became number 1 producer of matieres premieres that Congo used to produce...
Depuis des pages on répète et on répète que l'Afrique doit être unie, se définir selon ses critères et que la priorité ce n'est pas d'imiter l'Occident mais poser les bases de la renaissance (l'Occident n'a pas à définir les priorités des africains, surtout que les flux des capitaux montrent le contraire), l'ouverture des frontières, l'éducation et une auto suffisance alimentaire sont nos priorités et non produire pour l'Occident. Une bonne planification de sorti proposé par ses éminents professeurs africains ou afro descendants nous permettra de quitter cette dépendance. L'Angola qui pourtant a une soi disant bonne croissance a dû faire appel à la BM pour compléter son budget 2016/2017...


Je précise ici que je parle de l'Afrique noire parce les pays du Magreb font parti de la ligue donc une politique qui les unie.
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Monsantos is a a very corruption rotten company even in America lots of people hate this company..collution, chemical filled foods, etc..very bad company.

I do not know in European diaspora, but in the US, Congolese stick to Congolese foods, organic foods (mostly sold by Asians andMexican store).


Indeed, I would not like to see ANY Foreigners into Congolese agricultural/foods industry.....This is a matter of national security.. non negotiable.
Je parle pour moi, j'ai d'abord identifié les marques qui supportent Mosanto. Parce que certains d'entre eux qui se disent "green" font partie ou supportent Mosanto. Les intrants (semences améliorées) qui entrent en Afrique proviennent de Mosanto & co (qui possèdent des brevets) parce qu'à chaque saison il faut en racheter (stériles), obligeant les producteurs/ paysans à passer chaque année à la caisse.

Voilà pourquoi je suis pour agriculture/élevage familiale (ex Songhai) contrôlés.



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Je précise ici que je parle de l'Afrique noire parce les pays du Magreb font parti de la ligue donc une politique qui les unie.

Dans ce cas, on doit d'abord commencer a parler pour etablir une structure servant specifiquement l'Afrique noire car les structures continentales actuelle soit la BAD ou Union Africaine y incluent les maghrebiens...
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Dans ce cas, on doit d'abord commencer a parler pour etablir une structure servant specifiquement l'Afrique noire car les structures continentales actuelle soit la BAD ou Union Africaine y incluent les maghrebiens...
Dans les faits c'est presque ça... Le Maroc ne fait pas partie de l'UA, ils ont demandé leur retour cette année. Rien n'interdit aux pays de l'Afrique sub saharienne de s'unir entre elles. Les arabes (les pays du Magreb) ne considèrent pas comme Africains.
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Je parle pour moi, j'ai d'abord identifié les marques qui supportent Mosanto. Parce que certains d'entre eux qui se disent "green" font partie ou supportent Mosanto. Les intrants (semences améliorées) qui entrent en Afrique proviennent de Mosanto & co (qui possèdent des brevets) parce qu'à chaque saison il faut en racheter (stériles), obligeant les producteurs/ paysans à passer chaque année à la caisse.

Voilà pourquoi je suis pour agriculture/élevage familiale (ex Songhai) contrôlés.
I think you know how i fel when it comes to agriculture...if you remember my opposition to Bukanga Lonzo project the fact thtat It was a South African project and not Congolese.

I know the power of agriculture...even the mighty US, EU is their agricultures died or unstainable, their mighty economies will emediately collapse.

For Congo and rest of Africa is they want to fix their socio economies, they must take agriculture very seriously. and actually make it priority of priorities.


IMany Coongolese especially in Kinshasa complain that there are no jobs while agriculture land, very fertile agricultural land is right ther net to them in Bandundu, KC and they have transportation to evacuate the foods. c pas normal.....And what is worst is that Maluku can feed Kinshasa and Brazza in basics like Veggies, Corn, fishing and Chicken farming. Quelle honte for the country....

If this country will ever comeback to normal, is another story.
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C'est pour cela que l'éducation est l'arme la plus redoutable que nous pouvons utilisé. Connaître notre histoire depuis la nuit des temps jusqu' à nos jours est important pour maîtriser tous les paramètres. Nous pourrons ainsi implémenter des politiques qui sont en accord avec nos paradigmes.
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Les prix des MP sont fixés par les acheteurs, c'est comme si dans ton shop les clients fixent les prix pour toi.
Rationalisons, je mange du manioc (feuille, tubercule) tous les jours, est ce que je mange le chocolat tous les jours? Non. .
And Just wondering....What do you eat for breakfast before going to work??
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C'est pour cela que l'éducation est l'arme la plus redoutable que nous pouvons utilisé. Connaître notre histoire depuis la nuit des temps jusqu' à nos jours est important pour maîtriser tous les paramètres. Nous pourrons ainsi implémenter des politiques qui sont en accord avec nos paradigmes.
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And that reformed education must include learning in our local language. in order for people to comprehend what they are learning...That is already step #1 in quality of education....Learning our history is ou languages.
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RPT-AFRICA BUSINESS - Move over, Manila? Congo call centre gives glimpse of what might be

KINSHASA, Sept 7 In a renovated warehouse in Kinshasa, dozens of young Congolese wearing headsets sit in rows of identical orange cubicles, fielding phone calls in six different languages.

Congo's first call centre gives a glimpse of how the central African country could follow a path already taken by the Philippines and India, which have long hosted low-cost offshore operations for U.S. and British companies.

Serving companies, aid agencies and even churches, the Congo Call Center (CCC) handles queries from 8,500 people each day on everything from problems with phone bills to spiritual anxiety and domestic abuse or sexual violence.

CCC isn't new - it was founded by two Congolese women with European telecoms experience in 2005 - and so far it has had only a handful of overseas clients, usually on short-term contracts.

Nevertheless, its business is growing fast and Democratic Republic of Congo - which remains far poorer and less developed than the Asian countries it wants to emulate - needs a services sector to cushion itself against a slump in the mining and oil revenues that usually account for 95 percent of export earnings.

As a Francophone former Belgian colony in the same time zone as Western Europe, Congo could be well-placed to become a telecoms hub, including for tele-services in French and other languages.

"In terms of language, we manage well," co-founder Huguette Samu said at CCC's new headquarters, its walls plastered with inspirational quotes by Winston Churchill, Rosa Parks and Nelson Mandela.

"Whether it's in English or French, clients don't really notice the accent over the phone," she told Reuters. "Europeans find that Congolese have a quite acceptable accent."

The company also works in Congo's four national languages - Lingala, Swahili, Tshiluba and Kikongo - and employs 350 agents, almost all in their 20s and 30s. It hopes to expand to as many as 600 within three years.

But alongside the commodity slump, which led to a 22 percent cut in this year's budget, political uncertainty has further deterred investors in Congo as President Joseph Kabila looks likely to defy opposition demands that he step down at the end of his term in December.

Against this gloomy backdrop, an expanding telecoms sector, - fuelled by a young population and annual economic growth of around 8 percent in recent years - offers hope.

Overall, the services sector's contribution to GDP growth increased from 28 percent in 2014 to over 40 percent last year.

In April, French telecoms giant Orange paid $160 million for Millicom's Congo subsidiary Tigo DRC, noting that Congo is the largest mobile phone market in west and central Africa after Nigeria.

Long-term, CCC's managing director Faly Tamuna Lukwaka is optimistic. "The Congolese market has 70-80 million people," he said. "We're pioneers but we think it's a sector that is developing rapidly."

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CCC has ridden Congo's infant tech wave, with revenues jumping from $400,000 in 2009, when it landed its first major corporate client, to $2.7 million last year. Foreign clients have included Altai Consulting in France and Access Bank Ghana .

The average monthly salary for an agent is $300 - not a lot but an attractive proposition to most young Congolese. According to 2012 African Development Bank research, of 9,000 graduates from Congolese universities each year, fewer than 100 find work in the formal sector.

Most growth is from the domestic market, spurred by a tripling of mobile phone users since 2009 to 53.5 percent of the population in 2014, according to the World Bank.

Domestic clients include two of the largest telecom providers, banks, the local operations of U.N. agencies such as the World Food Programme, churches and a government hotline for rape victims.

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However, CCC is a rare success story. While some big Congolese firms have their own call centres, no one else has set up a stand-alone operation.

CCC executives say this is partly a lack of familiarity with the concept but it also points to broader weaknesses in Congo's business climate and previous government failures to diversify away from resources.

Congo ranks 184 out of 189 countries on a World Bank index that measures the ease of doing business. It has a byzantine tax regime, high domestic borrowing costs and a decrepit power grid that makes private generators a costly necessity.

More broadly, African countries have struggled to live up to hype casting them as "the next India".

KenCall, Kenya's leading outsourcing company, has suffered repeated losses since it was created in 2005 despite a well-educated, English-speaking labour force and efforts by the government to sell the sector abroad.

South Africa and Mauritius have fared better, though South Africa's call centres have had trouble attracting foreign clients, according to research by Chris Benner of the UC Davis Center for Poverty Research.

The Congo finance ministry wants increased investment in agriculture, infrastructure and energy. "The recent crisis ... recalls the necessity of working to diversify the economy in order to reduce its dependence on the extractive sector," the ministry said in a response to Reuters questions. (Additional reporting by Neha D. Wadekar in Nairobi; editing by David Stamp)
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And that reformed education must include learning in our local language. in order for people to comprehend what they are learning...That is already step #1 in quality of education....Learning our history is ou languages.
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I resented learning in French , ever since i was in elementary school in 2nd grade class where my uncle used to tea help me on my homework at home....I used to ask me questions, why did my uncle had tto explain to me in Swahili to do math and grammar/Vocab in order for me to do things or understand what i need to do in French....from that day, i did not want to learn anymore...That is one incident....then when i was in 3rd grade, the teacher made me wear a monkey skeleton head around my neck because i spoke Swahili in class (i was at a private school)....That was incident number two and from that day on i became a renegade against French and learning in foreign languages.

I used to help my sisters and kid brother on homework in Swahili, its the best way they understood very fast and easy as well.

All of my freinds went through the samething.


Even when i came to America, i still think in Swahili first bfore i think in English, this is a big hendicap..only until after 5 years did i start thinking straight up in English because i started using it all the time and everywhere.


We will never develop if the country continues to learn in foreign languages. never.
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I resented learning in French , ever since i was in elementary school in 2nd grade class where my uncle used to tea help me on my homework at home....I used to ask me questions, why did my uncle had tto explain to me in Swahili to do math and grammar/Vocab in order for me to do things or understand what i need to do in French....from that day, i did not want to learn anymore...That is one incident....then when i was in 3rd grade, the teacher made me wear a monkey skeleton head around my neck because i spoke Swahili in class (i was at a private school)....That was incident number two and from that day on i became a renegade against French and learning in foreign languages.

I used to help my sisters and kid brother on homework in Swahili, its the best way they understood very fast and easy as well.

All of my freinds went through the samething.


Even when i came to America, i still think in Swahili first bfore i think in English, this is a big hendicap..only until after 5 years did i start thinking straight up in English because i started using it all the time and everywhere.


We will never develop if the country continues to learn in foreign languages. never.


Good stuff.....So that means we'll treat English or French as second language.....like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans treat English....
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No...that's means we'll treat English, French and so on...as a foreign language.....
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Good stuff.....So that means we'll treat English or French as second language.....like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans treat English....
Yes, and there is nothing with that....Just like in Katanga, grand Kivu, PO, Kin there are centers where you can learn English etcFrench should also be treated as such as well. in facts this is better because those interested in foreign languages will know them better without hustle.


It will also end the stupid inferiority complex within the Congolese society.
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