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Old October 25th, 2015, 10:43 PM   #121
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Old October 26th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #122
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The new Sainsburys I presume?
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Old October 26th, 2015, 08:53 PM   #123
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The new Sainsbury's I presume?
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Old November 1st, 2015, 05:21 PM   #124
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Old November 1st, 2015, 10:58 PM   #125
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Old November 1st, 2015, 11:51 PM   #126
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The blatant lying that goes on in renders compared to the final product really needs to stop. They aren't even bothering to show the correct colours of cladding now.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 10:22 AM   #127
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Trouble is every time i complain about stuff lie this i just get passed around various departments and then give up.. Its a joke, makes me want to do some graffiting!
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 11:15 AM   #128
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The blatant lying that goes on in renders compared to the final product really needs to stop. They aren't even bothering to show the correct colours of cladding now.
Renders are only ever an approximation of what the buildings materials will look like used to satisfy planners, councillors and clients.

9 times out of 10 the blame on actual end product of what a building looks like can be put on the council approving a discharge of conditions on materials used or an approval of Non Material Amendment of the original planning application. An overworked junior planner is very rarely going to care and as very few people even bother to monitor a project what the developer/contractor submits and finally builds will be on whatever these documents entail. If they are using X cladding from Y firm, they will submit the product details. Very rarely, if at all would a render show the exact shade of a particular material from a particular supplier.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 11:32 AM   #129
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And people wonder why the public have such a low regard for planning and architects!
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 12:11 PM   #130
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And people wonder why the public have such a low regard for planning and architects!
Well that’s the system.

It’s also a failure of people to understand the whole construction business ( through no fault of their own, who really has an interest or care in cladding types for example or how a building is actually procured and built).

Construction ,like most things is a standardised business. Things like Cladding etc are supplied by a handful of suppliers, standardised products, a product range like any other product including colours and materials picked from a brochure etc .

Someone employed as a visualiser is not going to know what a particular shade of cladding is and even when talking about a CGI, its more down to the skill of the visualiser and software used as to how well it’s been done. Some , like any sphere of work will be better than others in their realism. Do a render of a building with two tone cladding, one slightly silvery , one bronzey. The planners want to see a certain view at a certain time of view. The client wants to see the building from this angle. How much is your budget and how much time you got and whens the deadline??

It’s not a deliberate attempt to hoodwink anyone (dodgy developers, usually small fry not big developers cut corners on design and materials in other ways so what shiny picture they produced initially is irrelevant).

Whats more important is the product/materials specified and approved and followed up by planners. If a developer ( again small rather than big ones) , they may cut corners and unless specified elsewhere will bend the rules as much as they can.
Also a planner might not agree with a particular shade or colour and tell them to come back with a different one. Another planner might be more concerned with another element of the planning discharges and wave through whatever. A contractor might not be able to source a particular material or want something cheaper or is more familiar with X product over Y. The Supplier might , for example be able to supply X product cheaper and quicker in Y colour or not have X colour in stock in available quantities.

The case here is a big developer (Barrett’s) has a very large building projects being built by a big contractor. Someone has specified and ordered things like cladding that would have gone through numerous boring meetings as to what’ the best for the job, given the constraint, time, budget etc. Can X supply enough cladding by Y date and in Z quantity. What colour can they produce in, is product A better than B, what did the planners approve, can we still afford this one??

It’s rarely as simple as Mr Developer showed us this render yet it doesn’t much look like that in real life therefore they have pulled the wool over our eyes. From an initial picture to the end product, some years later there’s a lot of permutations and processes that have gone into it what’s finally complete. More often than not the decision is made after initial planning has approval when people have no interest in things. That’s just part of the planning process and construction industry in the UK ( No idea if it’s different elsewhere but wouldn’t expect it to be much different).
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If only standardisation brought the prices down!
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 06:54 PM   #132
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I think these emerging finishes are reasonably true to what you see in the earlier renders. Renders are always shown in clear sunlight, as if London basks in a Caribbean climate throughout the year, and they nearly always depict a shiny, brilliant surface, as if made of high-end aluminium which is usually far from the truth. However, these actual surfaces are close to the original renders, but seeing them in poor, dull wintry days is never going to project the best appearance, although I haven't seen them in reality.

The renders for the UBS building were close to what you got as with the Lexicon and Canaletto. But I just don't like the distortion in the elevations. Hoping this is a temporary fashion and will soon die out and so many new London developments are going along these disfigured lines.
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Essentially 9/10 Barrat = cheap & poor quality which in turn = more money for Barrat.. I suppose there view is if we can get away with it why not...
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Old November 13th, 2015, 12:36 PM   #134
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The first two panes of glazing are up on the main supermarket element of the building - and you'll be pleased to hear they are a suitably on-brand Sainsbury's orange!


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The low autumn sun means this glazing is creating some interesting reflections on the building opposite...


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Old November 28th, 2015, 10:44 PM   #136
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Old January 7th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #137
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Buildings looking better than what I thought they were going to luck, but I had low expectations from the beginning; let's wait for the final product.
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There seems to be three high rise elements rising but I can't tell which is the Tall one




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the tallest will be the one opposite skygardens, in the middle of your second pic (and also, I think, your first)
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