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Old October 11th, 2006, 12:40 AM   #1
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Classic Buildings in Modern cities?

Would classic supertalls such as the Chrysler Building or The Empire State Building work in modern cities such as Brisbane, Melbourne or Dubai?

Personally I think they have great architecture and they look amazing, but they would really only work in cities such as New York with many more decades of skyscraper tradition.

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Old October 11th, 2006, 01:21 AM   #2
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sydney has a "classic supertall" modelled on romantic 30's NYc that being Chifley tower. It works in Sydney. even Wt has a art deco feel.
Melbourne already has a NYC style supertall- 120 collins street.
As for Dubai, its already acquiring some NYC style supertalls. most of its new 100storey bldgs have romantic NYc based designs. ie- thin tower, stepped tops with spires.

sydneys chifley. 244m straight up/
looks like a 1930's nyc skyscraper.



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Old October 11th, 2006, 03:31 AM   #3
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Well the ANZ World HQ in Melbourne is a post-modernist take on Gothic Revival, something that also influence famous towers such as the NYC Woolworth Building (world's tallest building from 1913 to 1930). Or the famous Chicago Tribune Tower (1925).

The post-modern Brisbane State Law Building is also influenced from early east coast US skyscraper architecture.
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I don't want to sound too picky, but the buildings mentioned have quite a lot of modern traits about them in comparison to the initial 2 mentioned, and they don't have quite the artistic detail as say on the Chrysler.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 04:10 AM   #5
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i dont think we will see such details in modern bldgs anymore.especially like the Chrysler or ESB. alot of developers these days dont want to waste $$ on such details. there more concerned with interiors etc.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 01:17 PM   #6
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love chryslers details



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Old October 12th, 2006, 03:18 PM   #7
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Well we are talking Real vs Post-modern re-interpretation.
We wont see that sort of classic detailing again I dont believe - time has made it too expensive and superfluous in today's world.

The Chrysler building by William Van Allen is an absolute beacon of art deco perfection both inside and out. It is simply an invaluable treasure. I don't think it would work anywhere but in New York. It's like part of the heart and soul of the place.
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I don't think these classic skyscrapers would work in modern cities. Personally, I think they are rather boring and all of them have more or less the same shape. That's one of the reasons why I don't like them. Also the facade on them is boring and too conservative IMHO.
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My fav melbourne building
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Old September 30th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #10
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As for Dubai, its already acquiring some NYC style supertalls. most of its new 100storey bldgs have romantic NYc based designs. ie- thin tower, stepped tops with spires.
DON'T YOU EVER COMPARE NYC TO DUBAI AGAIN.
The are COMPLETELY different cities.
NYC = Live, Work, Enjoy
Dubai = Nice to look at.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 06:36 PM   #11
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Amongst the post-war (WW II) buildings in Melbourne, the ANZ



& 120 Collins St.



(in the middle) are at the top of my list: so is 333 Collins St:







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Old October 1st, 2007, 02:54 AM   #12
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i absoloutley love 333 collins!
my friend used to work there.
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DON'T YOU EVER COMPARE NYC TO DUBAI AGAIN.
The are COMPLETELY different cities.
NYC = Live, Work, Enjoy
Dubai = Nice to look at.
So true.

Been to NY and Dubai both once.

New York caters to any sort of culture, vast array of buildings, vast array of people, street life, and a real sense of individuality.

Dubai caters to whoring itself at foreign investors, overall everything looks and feels the same, there IS NO street life, the malls are shockingly tacky, the city has no soul. Quite simply, Dubai sucks.
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What about Gateway Plaza?



The podium of Gateway Plaza is very classic.



Just look at the windows on the base, it's very classic. Also if you notice to the left of that picture there is a small old building. This is the Paragon hotel and when Gateway Plaza was built they joined the podium to the old Paragon Hotel and so it is good.
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Old October 1st, 2007, 11:50 AM   #15
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So true.

Been to NY and Dubai both once.

New York caters to any sort of culture, vast array of buildings, vast array of people, street life, and a real sense of individuality.

Dubai caters to whoring itself at foreign investors, overall everything looks and feels the same, there IS NO street life, the malls are shockingly tacky, the city has no soul. Quite simply, Dubai sucks.
DUBAI = THE PROSTITUTE CITY.
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Would classic supertalls such as the Chrysler Building or The Empire State Building work in modern cities such as Brisbane, Melbourne or Dubai?

Personally I think they have great architecture and they look amazing, but they would really only work in cities such as New York with many more decades of skyscraper tradition.

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Buildings like the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building will always have what more modern buildings don't have - history. They were also the benchmark towers for their time.

In well established cities like Sydney and Melbourne, classic supertalls would work in my view. For instance Sydney does like to model itself on New York. I've always been of the belief that One Carrington Street (proposed) would be capable of supporting an Empire State style Building with setbacks. It can also be modelled around the setbacks required to support the sun access planes into city spaces. You can work around the older buildings to create a building that reflects the history of its location.

But I think in these days of keeping costs down, it might be quite challenging to get such a building off the ground. We were lucky to get such buildings like 333 Collins, Chifley Tower and the ANZ HQ in Melbourne because they were designed in the 1980's when money was abundant and people and business wanted to make a statement by reviving classical approaches to architecture.
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333 Collins st should have had a shaft rising from the final set back to the dome...maybe 40 stories, not just a couple like they built....damn the shadow, get over it !


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6 years and 3 months without a post, now that's a bump
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