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Old October 3rd, 2019, 11:58 AM   #8481
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NZ is low cost compared to Europe. For an NZ income earner it might be expensive because the wages are low.

I do love takapuna, I don't like the carpark, but I don't want to see it covered in apartments, I'd prefer to see it turned into an inner city park, there are plenty of other sites with development potential currently occupied with lower rise building who should have faced the wrecking ball years ago, plus there also the Bruce Mason carpark to build over.

Oil is another topic altogether, we should continue to drill, not just off Taranaki but also in the Southern Basin. The oil age is a long long way from being over.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 08:33 PM   #8482
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Actually NZ is a low wage economy but not a low cost one. We have issues with low productivity, low rates of savings and lack of scale.

The first two are our own fault but we can't suddenly magic ourselves to be part of a population in the 100's of millions with all the purchasing economies of scale that the Scandinavian countries you like to compare us to enjoy.

As an aside your comments about lack of archaeological issues when constructing tunnels in Auckland also isn't true. Auckland has so little recorded history that a shard of Victorian pottery can stop a project in its tracks. Anything pre-European will mean a massive delay.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 09:20 PM   #8483
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NZ is low cost compared to Europe. For an NZ income earner it might be expensive because the wages are low.
Fistly Europe is huge and wages across the whole bloc are MASSIVELY different.

Secondly, Can you show data that shows this? Anecdotally, if it was a straight exchange rate to exchange rate including the fact that they pay more tax in the UK. I earn more as a mid level IT architect than my brother who is the MD of a large successful company he has worked at for 20 years. Food, Transport and Housing on a exchange rate basis are more expensive than the UK. So..how exactly is it wages? She me the data that NZ has low wages compared to Europe?

Anyway, they aren't building any Light Rail here in Auckland where you don't live, and if the local elections go in favour of your angry Takapuna mates and their ilk would like then Auckland won't be going anywhere fast
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 09:24 PM   #8484
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Scandinavian countries you like to compare us to enjoy.

As an aside your comments about lack of archaeological issues when constructing tunnels in Auckland also isn't true. Auckland has so little recorded history that a shard of Victorian pottery can stop a project in its tracks. Anything pre-European will mean a massive delay.
Don't worry about these sort of comments Dogmeat, Rob likes to throw out unsubstantiated things like this to backup his nonsense. It's all part of his trolling fun which to be fair, we all enjoy..because there is no way someone could be so wrong about so many things and have so many people disagree with him unless he was trolling or a genius.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 10:18 PM   #8485
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Don't worry about these sort of comments Dogmeat, Rob likes to throw out unsubstantiated things like this to backup his nonsense. It's all part of his trolling fun which to be fair, we all enjoy..because there is no way someone could be so wrong about so many things and have so many people disagree with him unless he was trolling or a genius.
Or just plain stupid
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 10:22 PM   #8486
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So you're now an engineer, transport planner and urban designer wrapped up into one goat in a tree? That's a lot of hats for one goat!
I'm an engineer who works with transport planners and urban designers. Duh.


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Copenhagen Metro isn't heavy rail, it's 24/7, driverless, grade separated, goodness, far superior to at grade, human operated trams. Why people like you want to build inferior infrastructure I just don't know! It's so frustrating
Not if you want to achieve the outcomes that Auckland is trying to achieve with LRT. Urban betterment, not just a fast train direct to the airport.


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Auckland should be moving away from buses and low quality infrastructure not championing it. The Puhinui bus rail interchange is a budget solution, it's a bandaid.
Agree with the first sentence, but Puhinui is future proffed to take an interchange with BRT or LRT - both options will supply specialist vehicles with high capacity and a direct fast link to the sirport. No way this is a band-aid, but what would you know anyway? Nothing. Obviously.
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Old October 4th, 2019, 08:31 AM   #8487
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Not if you want to achieve the outcomes that Auckland is trying to achieve with LRT. Urban betterment, not just a fast train direct to the airport.
Who is talking about a direct link to Auckland Airport, it's all about better public transport isn't it, now if you're comparing Copenhagen and Auckland with regards to urban betterment you'd be hard pushed to find a more attractive, people friendly city than Copenhagen, it has all the good bits you want for Auckland and then some.

Maybe you could take an urban planning trip to Copenhagen and see for yourself, you could also check out the elevated parts of the metro, and the two different lines to copenhagen Airport, plus the hundreds of KM of cycling tracks.


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Agree with the first sentence, but Puhinui is future proffed to take an interchange with BRT or LRT - both options will supply specialist vehicles with high capacity and a direct fast link to the sirport. No way this is a band-aid, but what would you know anyway? Nothing. Obviously.
Going down the BRT route is a bandaid, if you really want a tram network in Auckland this would have been low hanging fruit to kickstart it, now we will be stuck with subpar buses for god only knows how long. Let's face facts light rail even along Dominion Road isn't going to be happening anytime soon, this govt has already shown they can't deliver anything they promised, they'll probably be gone next election, National won't built it and the Supercity can't afford to build it without govt help.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 08:50 AM   #8488
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Going down the BRT route is a bandaid, if you really want a tram network in Auckland this would have been low hanging fruit to kickstart it, now we will be stuck with subpar buses for god only knows how long. Let's face facts light rail even along Dominion Road isn't going to be happening anytime soon, this govt has already shown they can't deliver anything they promised, they'll probably be gone next election, National won't built it and the Supercity can't afford to build it without govt help.
So on that basis your solution is to promote something that stands even less chance of being funded?
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So on that basis your solution is to promote something that stands even less chance of being funded?
If we aren't going to do it properly we shouldn't waste any money at all. IMO the Superfund proposal will be picked, it's a better bet long term.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 12:03 PM   #8490
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Fistly Europe is huge and wages across the whole bloc are MASSIVELY different.

Secondly, Can you show data that shows this? Anecdotally, if it was a straight exchange rate to exchange rate including the fact that they pay more tax in the UK. I earn more as a mid level IT architect than my brother who is the MD of a large successful company he has worked at for 20 years. Food, Transport and Housing on a exchange rate basis are more expensive than the UK. So..how exactly is it wages? She me the data that NZ has low wages compared to Europe?

Anyway, they aren't building any Light Rail here in Auckland where you don't live, and if the local elections go in favour of your angry Takapuna mates and their ilk would like then Auckland won't be going anywhere fast
You are completely right, NZ does not have low wages compared top Europe.

Ignoring obvious practical restrictions, no business would ever relocate to NZ to save money on salaries and wages. NZ is not a cheap place to do business in that regard, I have no idea where the myth that NZ is a low wage economy comes from, it simply is not true - if it was, every English-language call centre would be based here and our economy would be based on answering phones.

There is a cost of living issue, primarily with housing, which does depress real income, but that is a separate issue entirely.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 09:30 PM   #8491
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If we aren't going to do it properly we shouldn't waste any money at all. IMO the Superfund proposal will be picked, it's a better bet long term.
Do nothing is easy for you to say sitting in Norway whilst they are intensifying the North West with absolutely no option but to sit in gridlock traffic.

Not Future proofing the SH16 is doing nothing.

Maybe you should do nothing and stop posting on matters that don't affect you.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 08:20 AM   #8492
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Do nothing is easy for you to say sitting in Norway whilst they are intensifying the North West with absolutely no option but to sit in gridlock traffic.

Not Future proofing the SH16 is doing nothing.

Maybe you should do nothing and stop posting on matters that don't affect you.
The govt has already indicated trams out to the North West won't be happening for a very long time (if ever), so they are already doing nothing at the moment, stupid when there is an existing rail line already there.
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Old October 9th, 2019, 07:22 PM   #8493
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The govt has already indicated trams out to the North West won't be happening for a very long time (if ever), so they are already doing nothing at the moment, stupid when there is an existing rail line already there.
The rail line out west isn’t going to serve the upper harbourside suburbs like Pt Chev, Waterview, Rosebank and Tat North etc where a lot of development will likely happen in coming years.
A BRT might well be a stop gap measure but it would have at least helped to get the north-west moving and reduced its near total reliance on the motorway.
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