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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:06 AM   #41
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Where is this from? I'm lost as to what everyone is talking about. The acme images?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #42
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Finally, is the name Smithfield linked to this area historically or is it simply a reference to the London markets? If it's the latter I'm losing faith
I was wondering this, too. It seems every city has a development zone named Smithfield - London's market, Manchester's new development quarter, even Stoke's "Smithfield Business Quarter" with the new council offices.

But in Birmingham's case, apparently the area was historically known as Smithfield due to the presence of the markets - Smithfield Market was opened here in 1817, reflected in the name of today's Smithfield House. So it's not just a marketing gimmick after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield,_Birmingham
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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #43
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Also the Debenhams car park seems to have been replaced in this. This the big brown blobby thing?

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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #44
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Great to see this development out of the starting blocks at long last, even if they are just visions at this stage. Really pleased the new district is to be called Smithfield - I think this is the name of one of the old markets on the site? There is a Smithfield House in Digbeth.

I hope they link up some of the old road pattern (e.g. Allison St, Bromsgrove St, Sherlock St and Bradford St), so that eventually development/footfall can expand into the greater Digbeth area.

One question - does 1,000 homes seem a little unambitious considering the size of the site?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #45
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I hope they link up some of the old road pattern (e.g. Allison St, Bromsgrove St, Sherlock St and Bradford St), so that eventually development/footfall can expand into the greater Digbeth area.
Image on the birminghampost with the caption 'view of New Bromsgrove street'. The one with the metro running through it. This the only dark blue line that runs from Bromsgrove street through the site.

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Old March 12th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #46
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Look how huge the hs2 station looks in the above picture!!
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:00 AM   #47
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Good to see that the extremely bland, disappointing 2002-3 indoor and rag markets buildings are due to be replaced. I always thought that this was a missed opportunity, especially considering the effort they put into contemporary market buildings in places like Spain or Rotterdam.

And likewise, it's encouraging to see the imminent demise of that nondescript strip of 1950s buildings south of St Martins, on the west side of Digbeth High Street, opposite the Cold Store.

I'm not too fussed about these visuals - it's clear that these have just been cobbled together for the purposes of having something to show at MIPIM - and the scheme will evolve and change multiple times before the first shovels hit the ground.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:26 AM   #48
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This is just a visioning document KHvillan. The thought will be applied at the next stage.
I know djay but getting the vision right is the most important stage. As stated above it looks cobbled together for the purposes of MIPIM
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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:28 AM   #49
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I'm not too fussed about these visuals - it's clear that these have just been cobbled together for the purposes of having something to show at MIPIM - and the scheme will evolve and change multiple times before the first shovels hit the ground.

Exactly...and lets not forget, we haven't even got a planning application for the new wholesale market yet.. I'm sure the replacement wouldn't take too long to build, but demolition and site clearance will not be happening for a few years I imagine.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:04 PM   #50
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Image on the birminghampost with the caption 'view of New Bromsgrove street'. The one with the metro running through it. This the only dark blue line that runs from Bromsgrove street through the site.
Thanks - that's a really useful post. If we're assuming that the Metro line will leave at the junction of Bradford St and Moat Lane, and head across the Wholesale Markets site in a straight line directly corresponding to Bromsgrove St (along 'New Bromsgrove St') and crossing Pershore St, it looks likely that Bristol St is the intended target. From there, it could head south and out of town, or up towards New St again along Suffolk St Q'Way past the Mailbox, completing a very useful loop through the south of town!

The position of the junction at Bradford St makes me think even more that Moor St will be used now.
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No ideas if this is an actual CGI

https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/403916660306023769/

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Old March 12th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #52
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What in the blue hell is going on there?

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Old March 12th, 2015, 04:15 PM   #54
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Finally, is the name Smithfield linked to this area historically or is it simply a reference to the London markets? If it's the latter I'm losing faith
Yes, Smithfield market used to be on this site and was incorporated into the Wholesale Market development in the 70's. One of the buildings on Moat Lane is called Smithfield House and one of the former car dealerships nearby was 'Smithfield Garage'.

I'm thankful that they've chosen a more meaningful name for this rather than more meaningless, generic names like 'Heartlands', 'Eastside', 'Southern Gateway' etc.... Yawn...
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What in the blue hell is going on there?

If this CGI's is true (from MarketingBham) then it's more what I expected from a cultural and entertainment district. The day time renders looked so dull as previously stated.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #56
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Loving the ambition behind this project, but other then learning the name of the masterplan, we know nothing new, this is at the same stage Paradise Circus was in 2005.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #57
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Has anybody else noticed the word live in blue letters going around near the top of the tower?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #58
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No ideas if this is an actual CGI

https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/403916660306023769/


Can't get by bearings with this, and seems a completely different masterplan to the councils lash up.
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You can see the roof of south and city college in the top right corner, Pershore street, and the arcadian are on the the left.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Dig...d+Kingdom&z=17
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Wow! Is this for real?????
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