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Old March 11th, 2018, 05:48 AM   #81
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^I actually feel sorry for that building. Its original architect did it no favors, and this renovation was just a poorly executed joke. I understand why it originally had no windows, but a better design might still have made it look kinda cool. (33 Thomas nearby looks like a badass Dieselpunk fortress of sorts) And done right, a reclad could have looked really cool, but this just screams minimum effort.

I felt the same way about 425 Park Avenue- that one hadn't aged well at all. Its brick facade probably looked cool back when it went up, but hadn't held up. And it never fully recovered from an electrical fire that happened a few years prior, so unlike 270 it wasn't functioning well. (270 might work beautifully for other tenants, it's only problem is that its current occupant needs more space) I also like that they kept part of the base building, so in a way, what's going on now is more of a drastic rebuild than anything.

I'm pretty sure that if Chase had decided to put its new tower where Verizon now stands, this project wouldn't be anywhere near as controversial.
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I dont think that the only problem here is, that Chase needs more space. I can imagine that the floors arent very flexible due to the columns, maybe they cant up date the building fully to todays standarts, natural light inside the tower, maybe issues to fit out modern trading floors or so. From a logical standpoint i feel like making such a decission as to raze such a tower and replace it took a lot of brainstorming beforehand and i feel like they wouldnt put so much effort into this project if there would be a simple problem that could be solved easier than what they plan to do.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 08:01 AM   #83
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Even if the building doesn't work for Chase, it might be perfect for somebody else. It sucks that there isn't something right nearby that they could do the 425 Park Avenue treatment on, and sell their existing building to somebody else, or straight up offer to swap it.
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I promise we are all going to donate money, order an effigy corpse that resembles 270 park avenue, put it in a coffin and make a walk down Park Avenue to mourn the buildings demise.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 10:42 PM   #85
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LOL. I've been doing skyscraper personification cosplay for years, I'll do 270 and stand in for the effigy. I still think that of all the buildings in that area, it's a sin we're losing one of the best.
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Old March 12th, 2018, 11:53 PM   #86
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I wish the company owning the tower would buy 375 Pearl instead to replace it with something new. Now THAT building is a monstrosity.
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Photo taken by Tectonic and found on New York YIMBY.
It is. But before the modifications it wasn't.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 01:17 AM   #87
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At least the Verizon building has reached rock bottom now. They could put a rainbow-coloured ferris wheel and a Joseph Stalin statue on top and it wouldn't make a difference anymore.
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Yeah, if Chase made an offer to the owners of 375 Pearl for a trade, that wouldn't be so bad. The modifications made to that building were horrid.
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Another incredible project at the center of the world. The demolition of 51 East 42nd for 1 Vanderbilt was already a spectacle, this will be something else entirely. Not even the destruction of the Singer Building will compare.
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I wish the company owning the tower would buy 375 Pearl instead to replace it with something new. Now THAT building is a monstrosity.

Photo taken by Tectonic and found on New York YIMBY.
I hate the brown ones below it even more. Those have to go. The social experiment has failed.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 08:13 AM   #91
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There are many more of those brown buildings to the right occupying about a mile of prime east river frontage.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 09:19 AM   #92
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I promise we are all going to donate money, order an effigy corpse that resembles 270 park avenue, put it in a coffin and make a walk down Park Avenue to mourn the buildings demise.
Idk why, but that post just reminded me of an artwork that used to stand in the WTC plaza.
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I was really blindsided by this news since it first broke during the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, and since then, I couldn't bring myself to state that I do not support the demolition of any building with a height of over 200 meters, or that I do not support the demolition of any LEED-certified building of any certification level. I just never thought such a demolition would actually happen in my lifetime.

Also, it is always sad to see a piece of land having more value than the building that sits on that land, so good and still-useful buildings on that land always end up demolished because of this. JPMorgan Chase should have thought about buying itself a new headquarters on, say, the West Side and let other tenants occupy 270 Park Avenue instead. This is going to be a really big loss (maybe the biggest since the original Penn Station and the original World Trade Center) if this demolition becomes reality.
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Old April 13th, 2018, 12:13 AM   #94
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not much of a shocker here going with AECOM. The tentative timeframe is a bit surprising. Was this written poorly, or does JP Morgan actually plan on taking down this 200m skyscraper in roughly a year? I'm guessing TRD meant the demolition will start then.

AECOM Tishman tapped to build 270 Park Avenue: sources
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The company was tapped to build a new, 70-story office tower that will span 2.5 million square feet, sources said. JPMorgan plans to raze the existing 52-story building and begin construction on the new tower by 2019.
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The deal has not yet been finalized, sources said.

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Wait, why would they demolish the old building before even releasing the final design for the new building?
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not much of a shocker here going with AECOM. The tentative timeframe is a bit surprising. Was this written poorly, or does JP Morgan actually plan on taking down this 200m skyscraper in roughly a year? I'm guessing TRD meant the demolition will start then.

AECOM Tishman tapped to build 270 Park Avenue: sources
A year isn't unreasonable for that large of a building.
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I think a year to take down a 200m tower seems a bit optimistic, doesnt it?
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That diagram just made me realize, 432 Park Avenue is more than twice as tall than nearly every building at Park Avenue??? Hopefully when/if this building is built it can help mitigate its dominance slightly (if it is a good design).
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I noticed that there is also a lowrise version of that tower with just ten floors next to it. Will that also be demolished? Then the new tower could really have a large footprint.
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