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Old February 21st, 2018, 04:38 AM   #3061
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Would that be the first mainland Chinese airline to operate the A350 (if we don't count Cathay Pacific and Hong Kong Airlines)? As far as I know, Air China and China Eastern operate the Dreamliner, not the A350.
That was about an order but independently of that, Sichuan is also expected to receive the ex-Sri Lankan frames, those frames have been hanging in TLS for awhile for a not so clear reason (most likely because the a350 has yet to receive a350 certification in China yet). Beijing Capital Airlines has a few frames in a similar situation also. Air China is getting its first a350 very soon also. Not sure which of them will end up operating the a350 first.

As far as order goes, all big 3 currently have order for the a350 plus some smaller airlines already mentioned above. China Eastern and China Southern's are pretty recent.
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That was about an order but independently of that, Sichuan is also expected to receive the ex-Sri Lankan frames, those frames have been hanging in TLS for awhile for a not so clear reason (most likely because the a350 has yet to receive a350 certification in China yet). Beijing Capital Airlines has a few frames in a similar situation also. Air China is getting its first a350 very soon also. Not sure which of them will end up operating the a350 first.

As far as order goes, all big 3 currently have order for the a350 plus some smaller airlines already mentioned above. China Eastern and China Southern's are pretty recent.
That is pretty strange. Is there a hiccup with CAAC that has caused certification delays? It is pretty strange, given that it did not take a long time for it to certify the B787 Dreamliner.
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Old February 21st, 2018, 07:07 AM   #3063
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That is pretty strange. Is there a hiccup with CAAC that has caused certification delays? It is pretty strange, given that it did not take a long time for it to certify the B787 Dreamliner.
CAPA had already forecasted this long ago.

There are 2 CAACs, it seems, or maybe a branch. This caused a situation in which Sichuan Airlines would take the aircraft first - something that did not sit well at Air China. Air China had already lost out on the prestige and goodwill that China Southern received domestically as the first to fly 787 and A380 (nobody gave a shit about B747-8I). In fact, it only reinforced the preconceptions of CA being an old fashioned, traditional airline back home.

Besides, there's a stalemate right now before Daxing opens. Daxing will herald the arrival of serious competition in China, with CZ aspirations in Beijing being a lot more ambitious than let on. In return, CA desires to pounce on the Pudong hub while MU, which lacks mass, aspires to a CAN hub.

China and Europe have a minor trade spat, but really, it's all to ensure all 3 airlines have a playing field.

And oh yes, there's merger mania coming soon too.
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CAPA had already forecasted this long ago.

There are 2 CAACs, it seems, or maybe a branch. This caused a situation in which Sichuan Airlines would take the aircraft first - something that did not sit well at Air China. Air China had already lost out on the prestige and goodwill that China Southern received domestically as the first to fly 787 and A380 (nobody gave a shit about B747-8I). In fact, it only reinforced the preconceptions of CA being an old fashioned, traditional airline back home.

Besides, there's a stalemate right now before Daxing opens. Daxing will herald the arrival of serious competition in China, with CZ aspirations in Beijing being a lot more ambitious than let on. In return, CA desires to pounce on the Pudong hub while MU, which lacks mass, aspires to a CAN hub.

China and Europe have a minor trade spat, but really, it's all to ensure all 3 airlines have a playing field.

And oh yes, there's merger mania coming soon too.
Merger mania... is it like MU or CZ merging with CA, or would it be more like smaller carriers like 3U or another carrier merging with CZ? I recall that during the time of Deng Xiaoping, CA was broken off into at least six different airlines, of which CA, CZ, and MU are the survivors while the rest disappeared.

Back to the A350 story: I think CA should get the A350 first, especially with it losing out to CZ, it could regain some reputation in the domestic front.
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Old February 24th, 2018, 11:06 PM   #3066
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She is a beauty.
Not for me. It's the same like the 757-300 and 767-400: way out of proportion, way too long versus its hull width and wingspan.

But in contrast 777X-9 still looks OK, because of its more natural proportions.
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Old February 27th, 2018, 09:12 PM   #3067
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So did 777X still not as pretty as the 777-300ER in my opinion.. between the A350-1000 and the 777X i choose the A35K than the other one.. too exaggerated on that aircraft isnt it....
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Vietnam Airlines' 12th A350 features a SkyTeam livery



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Old February 28th, 2018, 01:35 AM   #3069
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Merger mania... is it like MU or CZ merging with CA, or would it be more like smaller carriers like 3U or another carrier merging with CZ? I recall that during the time of Deng Xiaoping, CA was broken off into at least six different airlines, of which CA, CZ, and MU are the survivors while the rest disappeared.

Back to the A350 story: I think CA should get the A350 first, especially with it losing out to CZ, it could regain some reputation in the domestic front.
I don't want to derail off topic cos China airline mergers... A lot to factor in.

Basically, the airlines will be regrouped as 10 airlines, each airline group having their own specialization. For example, it could be an aspiring low cost carrier such as Shenzhen Airlines, or aspiring leisure charter airline like Beijing Capital Airlines.

I read a cargo news article in Hellenic Shipping I believe, that says that we should disregard American Airlines' stake in China Southern Airlines. It suggests that cargo joint ventures are the precursor to merger, and if that's any indication, it's that China Southern Airlines is the future owner of Air France KLM. Something happened, in the last few years... I don't know what it is, but overnight, MU became less Delta in its feel, and adopted ads with cloud imagery similar to American Airlines.

Air China is biding time. It has always painted a vision of Beijing 2022 Winter Games as its coming out, or coming of age party celebrations. They wanted to announce a rebrand, but it was hastily done, and generally not executed well. In fact, the major Northeast Asian nations are taking advantage of their own respective Olympics, 2018 "Seoul" (what were they thinking calling it Pyeongchang), 2020 Tokyo and 2022 Beijing.

Korean Air's dream of its relaunch was... well, we might hear something from the LCC front.

Anyways, China will be the largest aviation market in 2022, and will keep growing and growing. After the Chinese airlines are consolidated into the 10, we'll be seeing airlines, both full service and LCC, apply for AOCs.
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First Ultra Long Range A350 XWB makes its debut



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I don't want to derail off topic cos China airline mergers... A lot to factor in.

Basically, the airlines will be regrouped as 10 airlines, each airline group having their own specialization. For example, it could be an aspiring low cost carrier such as Shenzhen Airlines, or aspiring leisure charter airline like Beijing Capital Airlines.

I read a cargo news article in Hellenic Shipping I believe, that says that we should disregard American Airlines' stake in China Southern Airlines. It suggests that cargo joint ventures are the precursor to merger, and if that's any indication, it's that China Southern Airlines is the future owner of Air France KLM. Something happened, in the last few years... I don't know what it is, but overnight, MU became less Delta in its feel, and adopted ads with cloud imagery similar to American Airlines.

Air China is biding time. It has always painted a vision of Beijing 2022 Winter Games as its coming out, or coming of age party celebrations. They wanted to announce a rebrand, but it was hastily done, and generally not executed well. In fact, the major Northeast Asian nations are taking advantage of their own respective Olympics, 2018 "Seoul" (what were they thinking calling it Pyeongchang), 2020 Tokyo and 2022 Beijing.

Korean Air's dream of its relaunch was... well, we might hear something from the LCC front.

Anyways, China will be the largest aviation market in 2022, and will keep growing and growing. After the Chinese airlines are consolidated into the 10, we'll be seeing airlines, both full service and LCC, apply for AOCs.
I think you mixed them up. It's China Eastern that bought a 10% stake in Air France-KLM last year, not China Southern. This deal was part of a bigger joint venture between Delta/Virgin Atlantic - AF-KLM and China Eastern.

It's actually China Southern that are now rumored to be about to switch from Skyteam to OneWorld.


The 2nd most interesting current development in Chinese aviation is the growth of the smaller airlines, who have recently ordered a lot of 787s and A350s for long haul growth. The most interesting development are the HNA = Hainan issues which could have an impact on the Hong Kong Airlines A350 operations if the HNA group collapses.
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Old February 28th, 2018, 11:23 AM   #3072
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That looks to be with the new, taller winglets .First production frame I noticed with it.
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Asiana Airlines has finally converted their A350-800s on order to the A350-900.

see the spreadsheet linked on this page:
http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/marke...eliveries.html


This pretty much seals the deal for the end of the A350-800, there are no more orders on the book. Airbus does still have a webpage for this smallest model of the A350 family, but there are no current plans to build it.
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Look what’s just rolled out of the paint shop – our freshly coated A350-1000. We’re investing substantially in the future and will be taking delivery of 79 new aircraft between now and 2024. See you onboard!



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Pieza a pieza, #IberiaA350 sigue tomando forma. En breve... ‘a volar!

Piece by piece, # IberiaA350 continues to take shape. In short ... to fly!

Also in the first Picture you can see 1st A350-900 for Philippines Airline Tail








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That frame was originally for Aer Lingus but Iberia IIRC is taking the first 5 AL deliveries (at least) instead.
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Flightglobal reports that Turkish Airlines for 25 Airbus A350s and 25 Boeing 787s, with options for 5 more of both models.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...a350-a-446654/


RR confirms with a press release of "winning" the engine order for the A350s.

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/pr...-airlines.aspx

No talk about also getting the engine order for the 787s.
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A trip report on a Qatar Airways Airbus A350-900 from Doha to Zurich (A7-ALJ MSN 25):





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