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Old September 8th, 2019, 08:42 PM   #2941
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the short ride will get even shorter, great news
But, sadly, this is still only to HaHaganah I imagine. The line needs to cover the other stations to Herzelia ASAP. Though considering how „fast” things were until now, my bet is that it will not be finished before something deep in 2021.
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Old September 8th, 2019, 08:51 PM   #2942
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@dark_shadow1, well, it wouldn't be a fair race, now would it
You know, in Jerusalem there is a functioning tram, while in Jaffa, this is still pretty far.

@levseltzer, depends on where this is the particular spot (and time of the day obviously).
Clearly, getting to anywhere around Haganah station, by train will be faster pretty much always.
There are buses going to CBS, but one would need to exit the CBS which is a challenge on its own.
On the other hand, if the spot is somewhere in town along the bus route, and a bit further away from the train stations, then the bus has a chance of winning.
Still the train is preferablel (provided the reliability is not what it used to be in the the first few months of the operation).
Train is dependable, train is more comfortable and it is especially useful for daily commuters who work (or will work) either in Tel Aviv office areas such as Begin road/towers around Ayalon or even Bursa area in Ramat Gan, or the new government offices which are planned near Jerusalem Navon station.
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Old September 8th, 2019, 10:03 PM   #2943
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Old September 9th, 2019, 08:26 AM   #2944
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Regarding the bus vs. train race, my sons have not yet set up all the parameters. But the objective is to give each mode of transport approximately the same chance of winning. Both the 480 and 405 buses are more frequent than the train (buses are approximately every 12 to 15 minutes and the train is once every 30 minutes). The train might be faster for travel, but only goes to the hagana station. I'll let you know how it fares in a few months when the train is finally running.
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Old September 9th, 2019, 12:15 PM   #2945
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Continuing from Ha`agana station to Hashalom / Merkaz stations is a matter of minutes, most of northbound trains that stop in Ha`agana will stop at these stations as well, and a train stops there every couple of minutes.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:57 PM   #2946
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A bit late, but just found some interesting videos about the rolling stock for the line.

Here was delivery of the rolling stock in September 2017, including the locomotives for the electric line.



December 2017 - testing of the locomotive for the line - Bombardier TRAXX P160.


Locomotive pushing the carriages from behind.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 07:56 AM   #2947
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Electra wins Modi'in - Rishon LeZion railway tender

The line will run between Rishon Lezion Moshe Dayan station and Modiin, through HaRishonim station in south Rishon. Two stations will be built - Ramla South and Gan Sorek. Completion expected in 2026 (sure... )

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-e...der-1001300235
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Old September 11th, 2019, 09:50 AM   #2948
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Note, that this is already pushing back the opening date.
Originally the line was supposed to open in 2025
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Old September 11th, 2019, 12:44 PM   #2949
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I'm not sure this Globes article was posted already:

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Better late than never

From the fourth track along the Ayalon in Tel Aviv to electrification of Israel Railways entire network, everything is behind schedule.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-i...ate-1001290178
Forget the negative headlines. What I find interesting is that the National Infrastructure Committee is considering a direct Lev Hamifratz - Hof Hacarmel rail-link via tunnels underneath the Carmel hills. If the plan materializes, it could bring several huge improvements.

The train tunnel would enable the construction of a mid-way station (either underground or overground) perhaps in Nahal Giborim north of the actual Carmel interchanges which would serve the people from the lower and upper city.

The existing track running to Kiryat Eliezer and the Haifa government complex could then be converted into a Tramway, removing the fences and barriers around the tracks. Also a dedicated railways would have to be built between Yokneam and the planned Eastern railways, alongside Road 6, in order to serve the rail freight from Haifa port. We are talking of a development plan extending to 2040 so the usual sarcasm about funding and delay issues doesn't apply here.

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Old September 11th, 2019, 04:54 PM   #2950
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I don't see them building a station that deep for serving the upper tiers in Haifa. Only the tunnel. And making it shallower by making the slope won't help, since this is straight from the coast, not coming all the way from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem that allows that.

As for the RLZ-MOD, I don't think we have too much to worry about delays and stuff. It's relatively cheap, prepared for and doesn't bother anyone at this point. The only problems are within the actual job itself.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 08:40 PM   #2951
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I don't see them building a station that deep for serving the upper tiers in Haifa. Only the tunnel. And making it shallower by making the slope won't help, since this is straight from the coast, not coming all the way from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem that allows that.

As for the RLZ-MOD, I don't think we have too much to worry about delays and stuff. It's relatively cheap, prepared for and doesn't bother anyone at this point. The only problems are within the actual job itself.
IMHO the best long-term solution for Haifa is 2 tracks in a tunnel underneath the Carmel, with a stations only in Lef-Hamifratz andHof-HaCarmel, serving express trains from the North to Tel-Aviv, and 2 tracks near the coast (either in their current position or in a tunnel) serving mainly suburban lines and slower lines.
This way:
1. Haifa will retain all of its popular stations
2. It will be possible to operate express lines between Tel-Aviv and the North, without passing through Haifa (which should save 5-10 minutes for many passengers)
3. Once the tracks beneath the Carmel will be operational- it should be possible to construct a new tunnel beneath the location of the existing tracks without stopping all rail traffic between the North and the rest of Israel.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 12:52 AM   #2952
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I don't see them building a station that deep for serving the upper tiers in Haifa. Only the tunnel. And making it shallower by making the slope won't help, since this is straight from the coast, not coming all the way from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem that allows that.
The Nahal Giborim valley is only 100 meters above sea level while J'lem station is sitting at an altitude of 800m. Also Nahal Giborim is well-served by a new 2x2 road and is half way between the lower and upper Haifa.
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Illustration of the line from RLZ to Jerusalem.

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Old Yesterday, 07:25 PM   #2954
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Impressive, how many years till the conclusion?
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Illustration of the line from RLZ to Jerusalem.


Great map, too.
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Progress on the Lod Railway Station expansion + electrification, drone video by Dudy Cohen:

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