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Old September 11th, 2019, 12:49 PM   #101
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The architect also said that Salford Council are looking to reroute Greengate (the street) so that it runs down the left hand side of Abito and towards Collier Street baths. This enables One Heritage to allocate a public square in front of their development - the Market Cross.
This is the bit that I would like to know more about; are we going to see some progress on getting a user for Collier Street baths/

Frankly, one tall tower more or less is not that important. Clearly this part of Salford is attractive for the business model that supports these residential developments, so some sort of tall housing was always likely on this site.

But the Collier Street Baths matter a lot.
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This is the bit that I would like to know more about; are we going to see some progress on getting a user for Collier Street baths/

Frankly, one tall tower more or less is not that important. Clearly this part of Salford is attractive for the business model that supports these residential developments, so some sort of tall housing was always likely on this site.

But the Collier Street Baths matter a lot.
Collier Street baths is likely to be used as event space/commercial. Similar to Victoria Baths and Ashton Baths. Itís important to build the area up with a number of uses. That is beginning to emerge now with Progressive livings plans to include a hotel, co-living and convert 8 arches to commercial. I think Renaker own Collier Baths however for now their main focus is residential and the park.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 03:43 PM   #105
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Collier Street baths is likely to be used as event space/commercial. Similar to Victoria Baths and Ashton Baths. It’s important to build the area up with a number of uses. That is beginning to emerge now with Progressive livings plans to include a hotel, co-living and convert 8 arches to commercial. I think Renaker own Collier Baths however for now their main focus is residential and the park.
Thanks AJD.

I suppose I am a tad concerned at the bits in the interview about 'amenity spaces' being provided in association with the One Heritage scheme, specifically for residents.

Especially given the extent to which One Greengate has shut away its amenity spaces behind locked gates. I can see why apartment developers provide gyms for their residents; but gardens, pavilions and libraries are facilities I would hope would be generally accessible.

The quicker that Collier Street is restored; providing providing social and recreational spaces to the general public, the better.

What worries me is the prospect of four tall residential developments in a line along Greengate; each one turned in on itself.

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Why would you make these things accessible to non residents?
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Old September 11th, 2019, 04:28 PM   #107
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Thanks AJD.

I suppose I am a tad concerned at the bits in the interview about 'amenity spaces' being provided in association with the One Heritage scheme, specifically for residents.

Especially given the extent to which One Greengate has shut away its amenity spaces behind locked gates. I can see why apartment developers provide gyms for their residents; but gardens, pavilions and libraries are facilities I would hope would be generally accessible.

The quicker that Collier Street is restored; providing providing social and recreational spaces to the general public, the better.

What worries me is the prospect of four tall residential developments in a line along Greengate; each one turned in on itself.
As I mentioned in my consultation post the plaza is open to the public. If a resident rents/buys an apartment then certain perks comes with that. It is about offering different perks to attract residents. A residents library, social events, rooftop terrace, bbq area are all part of these perks, which are included in the rent etc. Anaconda Cut is developing a residents bar/lounge on the 44th floor. I'd rent an apartment there just for that!

The units below are for the public.

The riverwalk at One Greengate is closed purely because its a dead end and the plot belongs to another developer. I assure you (it was mentioned briefly last night) Salford Council are keen to develop the riverside walkway. It will take time however.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 04:36 PM   #108
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Why would you make these things accessible to non residents?
Social spaces and facilities should generally be accessible to all citizens. It is a basic principle of conviviality, that we should not seek to exclude one another from communal spaces.

Looking at the renders, for example, will the spaces inbetween One Heritage and the Residence be gated-off (as the open spaces within One Greengate are now)?

As the area is at the moment, once you pass the Sainsburys Local below the 101 offices, the only facility that is accessible to the public is the Eagle pub; no shops, no bars, no gardens, no recreational spaces. Yet we are expecting a couple of thousand people (or more) to be living here in a few years time.

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Social spaces and facilities should generally be accessible to all citizens. It is a basic principle of conviviality, that we should not seek to exclude one another from communal spaces.

Looking at the renders, for example, will the spaces inbetween One Heritage and the Residence be gated-off (as the open spaces within One Greengate are now)?
See post above regarding both comments.
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Social spaces and facilities should generally be accessible to all citizens. It is a basic principle of conviviality, that we should not seek to exclude one another from communal spaces.
Not saying I disagree with the principal but the area is/was essentially desolate for decades and was never a public area, the building itself would have changed that... in addition, this is the residents front garden and I don't want the public trashing it?

The council, before the block was proposed, could have earmarked land for public use, they did not, so anything is better than nothing?
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Old September 11th, 2019, 05:49 PM   #111
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Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't man med been around even longer than the illustrious JRB?
That would make him the longest standing member and I think he still posts occasionally.

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Social spaces and facilities should generally be accessible to all citizens. It is a basic principle of conviviality, that we should not seek to exclude one another from communal spaces.

Looking at the renders, for example, will the spaces inbetween One Heritage and the Residence be gated-off (as the open spaces within One Greengate are now)?

As the area is at the moment, once you pass the Sainsburys Local below the 101 offices, the only facility that is accessible to the public is the Eagle pub; no shops, no bars, no gardens, no recreational spaces. Yet we are expecting a couple of thousand people (or more) to be living here in a few years time.

Hence the 3 commercial units on the ground floor and re-use of the railway arches
Think about what youíre saying

Not all social spaces should be available to all citizens. Itís literally the selling point of some of these apartments

A gymís primary function is for exercise not socialising
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Just to add to that - communal is not the same as public. My back garden is communal to all that I invite but it's not public.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 08:28 PM   #115
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On this tower, is the Britannia Group mentioned in the PNW article the peddler of windowless hotel rooms? Gives me pause for thought.....
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On this tower, is the Britannia Group mentioned in the PNW article the peddler of windowless hotel rooms? Gives me pause for thought.....
Thats Britannia Hotel Group.

Britannia Group are the developers Swan House tower opposite Angel Gardens. Must admit it had me panicking at first.
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Thatís a blessed relief. Thanks for the clarification!
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Britannia Group are the developers Swan House tower opposite Angel Gardens. Must admit it had me panicking at first.
Yes, fear not ChorltonRed. I was chatting to Awais about this very sight about three years ago, so this all makes sense now. Really nice guy, big ambitions, regular Cannes MIPIM attendee
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