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Old July 17th, 2019, 11:10 PM   #2141
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CBRE released their annual tech talent report/ranking for North America. Interesting read but it's pretty long so figured I'd summarize a couple takeaways that pertain to us:
~Seattle remained at #2 in the tech talent scoreboard behind the Bay Area.
~While our talent was ranked as 2nd best for the continent, our avg labor cost mirrored that as we only trailed SF in terms of average engineer labor costs.
~Our tech brain gain (# tech jobs added - # tech degrees in the region) for the last 5 years trails only SF and Toronto

For any interested here's the link: https://www.cbre.us/research-and-rep...0Tech%20Talent
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Old August 28th, 2019, 06:03 PM   #2142
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From todays DJC.

https://www.djc.com/news/co/12124813.html

August 28, 2019

New AGC survey: contractors still struggle to find workers

The workforce shortage may be driving up labor costs. Many Washington contractors said their project costs were higher than anticipated.

By BENJAMIN MINNICK
Journal Construction Editor

A new survey from the Associated General Contractors of America and Autodesk shows that contractors are still struggling to find workers, especially craft workers.

During a call-in news conference on Tuesday, AGC leaders said the survey of about 2,000 contractors indicated that 80% of them nationwide were having trouble finding craft workers and 57% had a hard time hiring salaried workers.

Nationwide, 69% of the respondents said they found it more difficult to hire concrete workers than a year ago. Other in-demand craft positions were pipelayers (68%), carpenters (65%), cement masons (65%), heavy-equipment operators (65%), plumbers (64%) and iron workers (64%).

Similar to national results, 80% of Washington contractors said they are finding it more difficult to fill craft jobs and 54% said the same about salaried jobs.

There was little difficulty for Washington construction firms hiring estimators and IT workers, and no difficulty hiring software/database personnel and architects.

Here are the top hourly craft positions that Washington contractors are finding difficult to hire this year: roofers (88%), electricians (79%), millwrights (75%), iron workers (72%), drywall installers (67%), laborers (62%), painters (62%) and carpenters (62%). Even the positions on the bottom of that list — plumbers, traffic control workers and bricklayers — were difficult to fill for many firms.

The survey said 46% of Washington contractors had project costs that were higher than anticipated and 45% put those higher costs into their bids or contracts. About 34% said projects had taken longer due to staffing challenges.
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Old August 28th, 2019, 08:57 PM   #2143
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Time to build workforce housing to drop housing prices and attract workers from the rest of the country! But to do that we'd need more workers to build this housing...
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Old August 29th, 2019, 06:53 AM   #2144
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Skilled laborers (carpenters, electricians, plumbers, iron workers, etc) make pretty high wages in Washington. They're solidly middle class. Today's "workforce" housing is usually home to lower income, lower skill working people, like retail and service industry workers. An electrician making $80,000/yr. gets gapped (to use the housing jargon). They're making a solid wage and don't qualify for any subsidies but they aren't making enough to enjoy many of the comforts middle class Metro Seattle residents used to enjoy.
Personally, I believe this problem could be greatly reduced by allowing single family homes to be turned into two or three units....
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Old August 29th, 2019, 07:38 AM   #2145
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So many people too busy complaining about immigrants taking their jobs to apply for those jobs themselves.

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Old August 29th, 2019, 07:21 PM   #2146
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^Not so much. First, these are physically demanding, high-skill jobs. It takes years of apprenticing to becoming a licensed tradesperson. A mid-40's worker who gets laid off from, say, a relatively low-skill warehouse job that isn't physically demanding, probably doesn't want to spend 2-3 years slogging through a a much more physically difficult electrical apprenticeship with a bunch of 20 year olds.
Second, we've been brow-beating young people telling them the only way forward is college for about the last 30 years. If we stopped shaming high school aged kids who choose to go to trade school instead of college we would be in much better shape.
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Old August 29th, 2019, 08:27 PM   #2147
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Second, we've been brow-beating young people telling them the only way forward is college for about the last 30 years. If we stopped shaming high school aged kids who choose to go to trade school instead of college we would be in much better shape.
1000 times this!

We have a crisis of young people overloaded with higher education debt and degrees that don't support a salary any where close to what some tradespeople can earn.
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Old August 30th, 2019, 02:48 AM   #2148
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While I agree that he trades are undervalued, it’s not like everyone else is going to college. In 2017, the Census Bureau said 33.4 percent of Americans 25 or older said they had completed a bachelor’s degree or higher. That leaves a very large pool of Americans who could choose to work in the trades. Perhaps another look at the apprenticeship programs is in order. And we should be encouraging skilled foreign workers to come here, not demonizing them. If we don’t grow the skilled labor pool, the economic engine is going to grind to a halt.
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Old August 30th, 2019, 02:59 AM   #2149
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Getting into an apprenticeship program seems very word-of-mouth considering how tight the market is. I tried to convince a friend years ago to become an electrician, and after calling around I found out you have to a union hall to pick up a paper application. The conspiracy theorist in me says unions are limiting their own headcount to drive up rates. If not, the situation seems ripe for someone to create a developer-backed organization aimed at recruitment and funneling kids into trade jobs.
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Old August 31st, 2019, 08:50 AM   #2150
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Toronto is not in the middle of Lake Huron.
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Old August 31st, 2019, 05:20 PM   #2151
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Toronto is not in the middle of Lake Huron.
Aha! I finally figured out that you were talking about the crane count map!




Yes, created by someone who is geographically, uh, challenged. Possibly the same person who created the partner map for Georgian Airways.

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Old August 31st, 2019, 08:54 PM   #2152
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That sort of thing drives me nuts. A relatively small amount of effort is all it takes.
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Old September 1st, 2019, 09:05 AM   #2153
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Aha! I finally figured out that you were talking about the crane count map!




Yes, created by someone who is geographically, uh, challenged. Possibly the same person who created the partner map for Georgian Airways.

Michael,
Let's hope the pilots aren't using those maps!!
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Old October 21st, 2019, 02:51 AM   #2154
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Here's a topic that probably rarely gets posted in this thread.

Move over, Honeycrisp: New apple to debut at grocery stores
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They call it the Cosmic Crisp. It's not a video game, a superhero or the title of a Grateful Dead song.

It's a new variety of apple, coming to a grocery store near you Dec. 1

Cosmic Crisp is the first apple ever bred in Washington state, which grows the majority of the United States' apples. It's expected to be a game changer.

Already, growers have planted 12 million Cosmic Crisp apple trees, a sign of confidence in the new variety. While only 450,000 40-pound (18-kilogram) boxes will be available for sale this year, that will jump to more than 2 million boxes in 2020 and more than 21 million by 2026.

The apple variety was developed by Washington State University. Washington growers, who paid for the research, will have the exclusive right to sell it for the first 10 years.
Nice to know that Wazzu is good for something.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 11:17 PM   #2155
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Nice to know that Wazzu is good for something.
Bite your tongue!


... while biting into a cosmic crisp, preferably.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 01:35 AM   #2156
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1000 times this!

We have a crisis of young people overloaded with higher education debt and degrees that don't support a salary any where close to what some tradespeople can earn.
Unfortunately, not every high school graduate has both the aptitude and interest to earn a college degree that actually supports market demand.
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Old October 26th, 2019, 01:18 AM   #2157
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Bleh, half a billion in cash won't enter the Seattle economy due to the 737 MAX fiasco:

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Boeing will not pay annual bonuses to its management, executives or unionized engineers and white-collar workers next February, payouts that for many years have pumped millions of extra dollars into the accounts of employees in the Puget Sound region and beyond.

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The [2018] February payout total for Washington state employees was a record $600 million, for an average of more than $9,000 per employee.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ees-this-year/
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Old October 26th, 2019, 02:01 AM   #2158
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Ahh, the consequences of bean counting. Hundreds dead, and thousands affected by cutting corners. Not to mention privatizing regulatory oversight of the company and then awarding the oversight contract to the very company being regulated. Corruption or idiocy, or both?
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Bleh, half a billion in cash won't enter the Seattle economy due to the 737 MAX fiasco:



https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ees-this-year/
Sawant past attack on Boeing is bearing fruit. She probably had a orgasm hearing the news.

Only profitable companies give bonuses.
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Ahh, the consequences of bean counting. Hundreds dead, and thousands affected by cutting corners. Not to mention privatizing regulatory oversight of the company and then awarding the oversight contract to the very company being regulated. Corruption or idiocy, or both?
Just misfortune is possible.
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