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Old December 15th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #101
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I think choice of these trains for 300+ km long journeys was rather bad, Flirt is supposed to be regional train. I've heard the comfort in economy class is nothing special for such distance. But it's private company so I don't care that much...
Yea I thought that was strange that they would use the FLIRT instead of cars and a loco.....It must be uncomfortable after 70 miles...
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Old December 15th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #102
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But what is difference? EMU is preferred for lines with frequent stops, while loco+cars are good for express services. The comfort depends on the seats, air conditioning and ll other such things, but they can be (or may not be) installed both in EMU and cars... The choice of EMU vs Loco is just question of traction.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #103
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Yea I thought that was strange that they would use the FLIRT instead of cars and a loco.....It must be uncomfortable after 70 miles...
I am pretty sure they're using different seats so the only comfort issue might be pressure related in tunnels.
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EMUs or locos are not fundamental issues that determine comfort of trains. There is no reason for which comfortable seats couldn't be fit on MUs instead of rail cars.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #105
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I think choice of these trains for 300+ km long journeys was rather bad, Flirt is supposed to be regional train. I've heard the comfort in economy class is nothing special for such distance. But it's private company so I don't care that much...
I hope that you will inform us regarding the train, and describe personal observations related to the train.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 09:14 PM   #106
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #107
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Yea I thought that was strange that they would use the FLIRT instead of cars and a loco.....It must be uncomfortable after 70 miles...
I must go to Zcech and try but at moment I guess that loco hauled is more comfortable. In all regional EMU's I have had ride(also in FLIRT), I could hear traction bogies and some little wheel noise but loco hauled trains in swiss and germany were totally silent.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:14 PM   #108
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I think the main issue is wheel-base in Flirt, which is shorter compared to RegioJet coaches or Pendolino and makes traveling less comfortable => more shaking.

Also the economy class has quite little space for legs.
Leo Express economy class

Regiojet standard (probably largest leg room of these three)

Pendolino

pics taken from here http://ekonomika.idnes.cz/foto.aspx?..._ekonomika_top

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Will the track from Rybnik to Lipno nad Vltavou modernized??
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Old December 27th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #110
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Wow, that Leo Express setup looks uncomfortable as hell. It's also very unusual these days to have a 2nd class 2+1 seating order like in the Pendolino, but that's definitely a plus. Just by the pictures I'd chose RJ over the Pendolino and not even remotely consider Leo Express. How are the Czechs adopting to the new choice?
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EMUs or locos are not fundamental issues that determine comfort of trains. There is no reason for which comfortable seats couldn't be fit on MUs instead of rail cars.
Not really. Trains need technical equipment that cause discomfort to
passengers. Power electronics cause noise. Air compressors cause vibrations.
That equipment needs space and adds wheight. All of that is a source of
discomfort. On hauled trains, most of it is carried by the locomotive and
the only annoyed person is the driver. On an EMU, it's spread all over the
train. A first class seat mounted just atop an air compressor is not a first
class seat anymore. That's not really a problem for short rides, but for
long journeys a hauled carriage will always be more pleasant. And I don't
even speak about DMUs where you can sit just atop the engine...
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Not really. Trains need technical equipment that cause discomfort to
passengers. Power electronics cause noise. Air compressors cause vibrations.
That equipment needs space and adds wheight. All of that is a source of
discomfort. On hauled trains, most of it is carried by the locomotive and
the only annoyed person is the driver. On an EMU, it's spread all over the
train. A first class seat mounted just atop an air compressor is not a first
class seat anymore. That's not really a problem for short rides, but for
long journeys a hauled carriage will always be more pleasant. And I don't
even speak about DMUs where you can sit just atop the engine...
I like the DMU's where the engine is center car , infact they will start replacing many US trains will that setup over the next decade. The worst you can do with an EMU is be under the Pantograph or near the wheels....the noise isn't so much the problem compared to the vibrations and tilting which are horrid on EMU compared to push pulls...
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Not really. Trains need technical equipment that cause discomfort to passengers. Power electronics cause noise. Air compressors cause vibrations. That equipment needs space and adds wheight. All of that is a source of discomfort. On hauled trains, most of it is carried by the locomotive and the only annoyed person is the driver. On an EMU, it's spread all over the train. A first class seat mounted just atop an air compressor is not a first class seat anymore. That's not really a problem for short rides, but for long journeys a hauled carriage will always be more pleasant. And I don't
even speak about DMUs where you can sit just atop the engine...
Well, first class usually situated in hauled cars, while second - in motor and\or transformer coaches.
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Well, first class usually situated in hauled cars, while second - in motor and\or transformer coaches.
As far as I know, in an ICE3 set, two of the 3 first class cars are
motor cars. Only the middle one is a trailer.
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Flirt and Desiro are some of the most uncomfortable train setups that exist. I prefer to travel with a 1960's East German coach than with these on most days. Other than the shaky feeling of traveling, most Flirt/Desiro setups have very poor uncomfortable seats, little luggage room, insufficient and/or deffective toilets and poor heating.
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We are still waiting for some first hand experience of the Leo express Flirt train. It certainly has better seats than the regional versions, but probably little leg room. There is extra luggage room in the train. Since it is a long distance route the train would not be used without functional toilets and heating. And it is a commercial competitor on a route with 3 different companies, so it cannot risk customer satisfaction.
On the non commercial routes, our state rail company also operates trains with broken facilities, non functional heating and so on, but this route is a different story.
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After investing some 300 Mio. Euros into their rolling stock in 2012 CD decided to put another 234 Mio. Euros into EMUs (Skoda's RegioPanter, CityElefant a.s.o.) and the refurbishment of passenger cars.

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