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Old June 23rd, 2007, 10:59 PM   #121
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to sum it up:

-people in seattle finally can get to the heart of europe
-the flight is sold out through to september
-and Air France will likely change the plane to a 777
All in all good for both cities and Airfrance. Airbuses are death traps though. A few years back they released a variant of the A300 that had some automated systems capable of overide the pilot at seemingly anytime. The program crashed several planes and killed over 200 people.

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Old June 24th, 2007, 12:26 AM   #122
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Apparently there is a rumor going around in Lufthansa that Frankfurt - Seattle will be started soon, I have no idea what aircraft they might be planning to use though.
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Old June 24th, 2007, 03:55 AM   #123
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WHAT!!!!! where did you hear that?!?!

That is so cool!!! I know they serve Portland but maybe its not making them any money... They probably also realize that theyre losing competition with Air France, British Airways, SAS, and KLM/Northwest all serving Seattle.
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Old June 24th, 2007, 06:12 AM   #124
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions.../3473579/1/#54

these pop up often on airliners.net but usually they are not this specific...

the rumor that Air France was going to start Seattle - Paris was floating around there for awhile...
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Old June 24th, 2007, 06:34 AM   #125
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Id like to see one of these babys!!
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Old June 24th, 2007, 06:02 PM   #126
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okay I have a few questions

1.) Apparently the forumers on airliners.net say that the Seattle-Copenhagen on SAS is the most profitable route for SAS(international) but its still not profitable enough, does anyone know any details about this turmoil??

2.)Also If Lufthansa was to start service to Seattle that would definatly hurt the PDX flight right??
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Old June 24th, 2007, 08:10 PM   #127
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Answer to 1:

Apparently SAS's whole long-haul network is a money loser, that was announced a couple months ago. If it was restructured or flights were cut, the Seattle flight would be one of the last to go. It has been here for over 40 years.

Answer to 2:

Not necessarily, Lufthansa's PDX-FRA flight is the only flight to Europe from Portland. They might see a slight dip in loads but it isn't going anywhere. Many of the large businesses in the Portland area have deals with Lufthansa seeing as they are the only carrier flying to Europe from Portland.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 12:06 AM   #128
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Do you guys think that Seattle has a big enough market to sustain 6 daily flights to Europe if Lufthansa was to begin service to SeaTac??
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Old June 25th, 2007, 12:22 AM   #129
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Right now we have 31 weekly frequencies to Europe. Assuming LH's service would be daily that would make it 38 weekly frequencies, not quite 6x daily. To keep it simple, yes, I believe Seattle can support more frequencies to Europe. The current flights we have go out packed.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 03:04 AM   #130
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I wonder if and when Lufthansa plans on starting service to Seattle... Im guessing not until next spring or summer.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #131
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well apparently Vancouver-Frankfurt isnt doing so well according to someone on airliners.net

They think that LH will add Seattle and then drop Vancouver after the Olympics. Interesting stuff...
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:36 AM   #132
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Today Lufthansa announced nonstops between Orlando and Frankfurt and Tmaxxfreak, that was part of that rumor you told us about on airliners.net. Hopefully theyll announce Seattle soon too!!
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 08:31 AM   #133
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Lost airlines

Nice to see some new airlines serving Seattle-Tacoma. But I can think of three who quit serving Sea-Tac: Japan Airlines, Finnair, and Mexicana. I'd love to see JAL and Finnair back here.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 09:25 AM   #134
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JAL and Finnair did??? when was that and to where did they fly???
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Guiness: Finnair flew non-stop to Helsinki. I took the flight myself in 1984. It must have been a couple of years or so after that that they quit Sea-Tac. As for JAL, some old timer might remember exactly when they stopped. When I arrived in the area in the mid-1970's they were flying non-stop to Tokyo.
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I also know that Aeroflot used to fly Moscow-Seattle but that stopped a couple of years back...
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 09:20 PM   #137
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That was so cool when we had that Seattle-Moscow flight. I also know they made good money with it too, but had to stop for some reason.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 10:05 PM   #138
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JAL stopped after 9/11 I think. That took us from three Tokyo flights per day down to two.
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-JAL, I'm pretty sure stopped before 2000, since NW was taking over the Seattle-Tokyo market.
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that sucks... JAL is a good airline...

we also need nonstops to Beijing, Shanghai, or Hong Kong...
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