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Old June 6th, 2019, 11:21 PM   #1
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4 Portal Way | North Acton | 203m, 123m | 55, 50 fl | Proposed

4 Portal Way
North Acton
W3


Planning application: Ealing 191854OPDFUL


Development Facts

Site: Holiday Inn London West, 4 Portal Way, London W3

Developer: Aldau Developments

Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox

Floors: 55 | 45

Hotel bedrooms: 159

Residential units: 702

Height AGL: 202.835m | 122.750m

Height AOD: 237.335m | 157.250m









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Old June 6th, 2019, 11:26 PM   #2
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Thanks for setting up a thread for this scheme SE9.

A 200m tower in Acton let alone Ealing, we shall see.

That third image, make it look something out of a Dystopian future film.
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Old June 6th, 2019, 11:50 PM   #3
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Those of you still around in 30 years time please hold a seance and let me know how the planning process is going for this...
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Looks amazing, here's to a few decades of coring existing piles!
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...and this is why it will never get approval.
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Old June 7th, 2019, 10:45 AM   #6
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...and this is why it will never get approval.
No one thought a 140m tower would see the light of day either, but it is currently under construction.
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Old June 7th, 2019, 11:09 AM   #7
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...and this is why it will never get approval.
Although arn't the other smaller towers in the picture already approved or U/C?

I fully expect Babs and numerous residents and conservation area society's will be frothing at the mouth and this will have the usual London haircut and the end product will be more a stubby block that will still be seen from the same cherished green space next to an A road.
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I fully expect Babs and numerous residents and conservation area society's will be frothing at the mouth and this will have the usual London haircut and the end product will be more a stubby block that will still be seen from the same cherished green space next to an A road.
Good! It's a completely ridiculous scale. I do have to give whoever decided that was a good view to visualise kudos for the chutzpah though.
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Good! It's a completely ridiculous scale. I do have to give whoever decided that was a good view to visualise kudos for the chutzpah though.
In which case arn't all the other towers in the CGI and others not in that render similarly out of scale?

The local authority has designated this area suitable for high rise and plenty of schemes are in that area (granted a lot of the design has a lot to be desired but there never is conversations or objections on design just size). Whether its a 100m,200m or even 50m building its going to be out of scale to that 2 storey residential street. The actual site is right next to the 6 lane Western Avenue.

In a city of 8million people, forecast to go to 10m and beyond there are going to be these contrasts in scale.
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Have to say, that last render is a bit daring. It looks cool at first, but it also shows 'this thing is going to block the hell out of your sunlight' Usually developers avoid these kind of images.
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In a city of 8million people, forecast to go to 10m and beyond there are going to be these contrasts in scale.
You trot this statistic out at every opportunity to defend ill-suited locations for tall buildings.

High density residential is possible without building oversized towers of apartments, especially in these more suburban areas. It's ridiculous looking proposals like this which do more harm than good to the cause for good well designed towers quite frankly.
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Considering this whole "suburban idyll " is pretty much designated a tall building area and is right next door to the Old Oak opportunity area and what will be one of Londons biggest stations then it is entirely appropriate, certainly more so than the 2 up 2 down housing in the foreground of the contentious cgi.

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certainly more so than the 2 up 2 down housing in the foreground of the contentious cgi.
Oh come on. This type of housing is some of the most successful in the UK, far more preferred for living in than towers of shoebox flats.
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Oh come on. This type of housing is some of the most successful in the UK, far more preferred for living in than towers of shoebox flats.
You contradict yourself as usual.. On other threads you say its sensible policy to build tall in clusters and near transport interchanges yet you seem to be saying 2 storey suburban housing is preferable here. Do you even know the site and the surrounding area. All the warehousing here will be replaced by towers or mid rise blocks. Old oak Common is just out of view.

There's nothing wrong with 2 storey suburbs but that's not going to help people like yourself unable to get on the housing ladder is it. The extra 2 million forecast for London in the next 20 years arnt going to get very far by building more 2 floor housing near good transport links.
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4 Portal Way | North Acton | 203m, 123m | 55, 50 fl | Proposed

I didnít say itís either 2 storeys or tall towers. Dense low to mid rises are fine here, ones that donít look completely ridiculous and like oversized giants next to their neighbours.

Also this is nowhere near the Old Oak Common interchange given the rail lines nearby. In fact this would be on the very edge of a cluster if one ever happens given the surrounding surburban housing stock, and will look completely out of place and unbalanced.

Also Iím highly suspicious towers like these help people like me get on the housing ladder- none of the existing ones going up across London are helping the housing crisis, so why change the habit of a lifetime?
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Shall we bet if it has any chance of getting off the ground in the next decade, especially in the shape nowhere near the current proposals?

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I didnít say itís either 2 storeys or tall towers. Dense low to mid rises are fine here, ones that donít look completely ridiculous and like oversized giants next to their neighbours.

Also this is nowhere near the Old Oak Common interchange given the rail lines nearby. In fact this would be on the very edge of a cluster if one ever happens given the surrounding surburban housing stock, and will look completely out of place and unbalanced.

Also Iím highly suspicious towers like these help people like me get on the housing ladder- none of the existing ones going up across London are helping the housing crisis, so why change the habit of a lifetime?
I can only think that you don't really know the area. This is located 5m walk from 2 train stations, North Acton and Acton Main Line. It is also part of a high rise cluster in development, being next door of One West Point, with a 148m 42 stories and a 31 stories towers being built and another 34 and 28 stories student accommodation developments just down the road. It also has a plot aimed to be developed across the road from this, even though i don't know if there's anything planned already. That said, if anything this is in a brilliant location, inserted in an emerging cluster and becoming more urban by the day. The affordability point may be the one that i also can see as an issue, as these will probably be overpriced too...
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It has the transport links, yes, but 200m plus is simply overbearing for the area. 100m works, but can anyone honestly look at that street of interwar suburbia with THAT looming over it and think it doesn't look ridiculous?

We can build dense here, but not that tall...
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It has the transport links, yes, but 200m plus is simply overbearing for the area. 100m works, but can anyone honestly look at that street of interwar suburbia with THAT looming over it and think it doesn't look ridiculous?

We can build dense here, but not that tall...
I'm sorry but i'm struggling to understand your racionale. I just said in the previous comment that they're building a 150m tower next door and you reply that 100m works for this but not more because there's nothing else around?? Well... I must say that with your mindset no street would ever evolve from suburbia into nothing else. This is a growing cluster and it must expand..
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