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Old October 19th, 2019, 03:36 PM   #42181
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Oh holy hell,

Few things, FIRST the USPS has wanted out of the Downtown location for more than a decade now. The Facility itself is ancient and structurally incapable of handling modern sorting machines, which would cut down on labor costs and well jobs. This has more to do with politics, plenty of local pols do not want the job loss that would occur when it moves out, especially where North Side workers are concerned.

Second USPS is required to fully fund it's pension and health fund obligations, this is simply nuts and anathema to any comparable private sector organization. Were it not for Congress' antics would probably pummel UPS and FEDEX out of the market, who by the way piggy back off of USPS. Want to ship something between cities using Fedex or UPS, fair chance that the route between distribution centers is carried by USPS trucks.

Third I've worked with Fedex sub contractors with respect to legal service, and I've regrettably used them. Their entire organization is an absolute shit show. Those aren't FEDEX trucks you see carrying packages, those are third party sub contractors. Which Fedex relies on, treats like crap, and then has to deal with a perpetual turnaround among said sub contractors and their employees. The result is that a significant amount of their "workforce" actually doesn't know what theyre doing. Want a package to get lost, use fedex.

Fourth I'm not aware of one nation that has privatized it's postal system and then not regretted it.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:17 AM   #42182
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ee/4049943002/

Anyone think getting the G7 is possible? To be honest I canít believe Trump could resist the opportunity to host the G7 a month before the DNC in the same city. Who knows.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 10:04 AM   #42183
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Anyone think getting the G7 is possible? To be honest I canít believe Trump could resist the opportunity to host the G7 a month before the DNC in the same city. Who knows.
Yeah, itís a very smart strategy by Barrett, for the reasons you mentioned, although who knows if Trump will even still be president then?
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Old October 21st, 2019, 02:26 PM   #42184
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Do we really want to host it? Think of all the haters from around the world that show up for these things and only want to wreak havoc on the hosting city. From a tourism and notoriety side I say yes. From a security, safety, and save our city side I say probably not.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 02:38 PM   #42185
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Anyone think getting the G7 is possible? To be honest I can’t believe Trump could resist the opportunity to host the G7 a month before the DNC in the same city. Who knows.
Oh absolutely hell yes! This is brilliant! Make this happen.

Barrett also said with the DNC and the Ryder Cup being held in southeastern Wisconsin next year, security preparations are advanced.

Heck, in this respect, the ridiculously archaic airport international terminal may become an advantage.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 05:04 PM   #42186
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Yeah, it’s a very smart strategy by Barrett, for the reasons you mentioned, although who knows if Trump will even still be president then?
If we stole the G7 from Miami after taking the DNC convenction from them...

Obviously it's unlikely, but getting Milwaukee positive ink is a good thing.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:00 PM   #42187
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Even if we donít get this. It is definitely nice seeing people take this seriously. If Tom Barrett announced that he sent Obama a letter about the G7 7 years ago, it would have been a joke or a blimp in the news cycle. Now itís getting picked up and there seems like there is optimism and people are serious about our chances.

I have my doubts that we could host it though since all of our major venues are locked down for like 7 weeks before the convention starts. I could see Potawatomi possibly hosting it since it seems like you need a hotel / convention center all in one building. Not sure if itís big enough because Doral is about 30% bigger then Potawatomi. The G7 venue last year in Canada looks like it was a little smaller then Potawatomi but Iím not sure on meeting space.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:10 PM   #42188
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Agreed. What a smart series of arguments. Barrett seems to have read Trump perfectly here, and even if it doesn't happen - people are talking about it. Protests or not, hosting the G7 is a major coup for any city and it garners international headlines before, during, and after.

I like that Barrett is becoming more of a booster, and that Milwaukee is throwing its hat in the ring far more often for the types of events it wouldn't ever have considered in years past. The "why NOT us?" attitude is so much better than the opposite, which has long been the case for Smallwaukee. Lot's of good press recently from a host of travel sites, and the "36 Hours in Milwaukee" segment of the NY Times largely eschewed the historic "meat and potatoes, Laverne and Shirley" retreads of past years. The "surprise, Milwaukee's not that bad" is starting to get replaced with - "there's real momentum and energy here - check it out".

Now, if Milwaukee fails its DNC test, that momentum could be fragile. But it's great that the national tone around Milwaukee feels like its starting to change. The Bucks certainly help. Having a brand new arena helps. Having an emerging dining scene helps. Hosting world class golf tournaments helps. Once the WI Center expands and MKE gets a true CC hotel, that will help. Beyond the growth downtown, I think a real Barrett era legacy has been starting to turn around Milwaukee's image from the days of Dahmer, undrinkable water, and rust belt stereotypes. Other than perhaps Detroit, I'd argue that no mid-major city has its image improve more in the past 5 years.

Is there a gigantic way to go on the racial and economic disparities? Absolutely. But I also like that the city's companies are starting to discuss and act on solutions. Seriously, even a 10% increase in Black employment rates and a corresponding income increase will do wonders for the city and the region. I also want to give a special shout out to NML for really leading the the charge for a VC presence in the city. It's not bad business by any means, but they've made a real commitment lately to grow the start-up scene here.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:52 PM   #42189
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Barrett said he got an acknowledgment for the letter sent to Trump. Didnít say what the acknowledgement was. Iím guessing it wasnít a no since that wasnít mentioned.

Itís a weird feeling to see an event like this up for grabs and feeling semi optimistic about our chances but also not too worried if we donít get it since we are hosting the DNC, Ryder Cup and USA Triathlon national championship next summer. So itís more like a bonus then anything.

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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:09 PM   #42190
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I'm not trying to argue, seriously. But I really don't think anyone generally thinks of Milwaukee and Dahmer or bad water. Rustbelt and winter, primarily winter is what people think about Milwaukee. It's really a clean sheet. The more Milwaukee manages to make a good impression, the better people think of it.

Mass murders? It's just normal now, really. Bad water mess up? Happens all the time. Milwaukee hasn't had anything that hasn't happened just about anywhere these days. Even "ghetto stuff". Outstate people think that, but around the country, it's just how it is. Milwaukee is tame compared to most other cities. That's the world we live in.

I mean, it's almost a badge of honor to have had such events. Sad but true.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:15 PM   #42191
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Alright third time is the charm, MKE just completed it's best year as a cruise port with more than 3K visitors. Since its a turnaround port many of those guests booked hotels within the city and likely dined out as well. Evidently the Port has been entertaining additional operators who seem to be interested in making stops in the City.

As a market it's never going to become a big business like it is for say Fort Lauterdale and will never be able to support a volume model of cruising. However, I could see us attracting about 5-10k visitors per year and hopeully more. Lake Michigan is easily the best of the inland lakes for cruising and Milwaukee is the natural choice for a small hub in this industry. Close enough to Chicago to benefit from it's flight connections but with far cheaper berths and more than enough capacity for large ships.

Cruising is a convenient way to travel as youre basically in a moving hotel, and its a great way to explore a region. Of course you can only get a taste in this way as you typically have maybe 6-10 hours at any stop and the boats do not typically wait for stragglers. So naturally a visitor who likes a port might have to find an excuse to make a return trip.

Other benefits, ship turnarounds mean more seasonal jobs. It's a marvel how fast a ground crew has to work to get a ship unloaded stocked and then ready for another sailing. The clientele in this group might not be numerous but you're looking typically at the gainfully retired and well established older workers. People who can afford to spend 10k on a cruise berth not including travel and travel related expenses and who likely do this with regularity. This will increase our number of 4 star rooms booked and could help establish and support a true 5 star hotel in our downtown.

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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:32 PM   #42193
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I had some posting troubles and didnt mean for a triple post. I could use a little help from the mods.

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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:41 PM   #42194
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Dare I suggest that the American/Canadian Great Lakes can become a modest Mediterranean Sea for cruising?
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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:54 PM   #42195
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Dare I suggest that the American/Canadian Great Lakes can become a modest Mediterranean Sea for cruising?
It certainly could and having just done a Med Cruise I'd say there's room for the comparison. Both have rocky coasts, the water's often cold and tends to look a little brownish close to short what with the rivers draining into it. Obviously one can support massive 150K ton cruise ships while our biggest would weigh in at a tenth the size. Although evidently the record holder for the St. Lawrence was about 28K tons. Still that's small potatoes for your dedicated cruise ports.

That being said what small ships lack in numbers they can make up with purchasing power. Smaller vessels tend to attract a more affluent clientele. The volume model relies on stacking up population and then getting them to spend in on board bars nightclubs, services and of course a casino. Smaller ships tend to get by purely on the fares. So big ship you might pay 600-1.5k per berth sans the suite classes. whereas on those small ships you're averaging several times more. If we're talking suites you could be spending 10k a person for say a seven day cruise.

One thing I will say for MKE is this. Our berths for cruise ships compare pretty favorably compared to European destinations. There the Ports are typically in working harbors often away from the City. For instance we embarked from Rome and needed a 1.5 hour van ride to get to the port. Naturally smaller ships might be able to dock in less utilitarian terminals in places like say Nice etc.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 09:27 PM   #42196
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Another setback for Century City and Milwaukee? Hopefully things will get worked out or maybe this company can locate somewhere outside the city limits on the south side.

“Days after defending a meat processing company's plans to develop a 170,000-square-foot production facility at Milwaukee's Century City Business Park, Ald. Khalif Rainey on Friday rescinded his support”.

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No comments at all on this post! Just heard the company Strauss Brands said they will no longer locate in Century Ciry. Another lost jobs opportunity for the city of Milwaukee. All those union jobs will go somewhere else.
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No comments at all on this post! Just heard the company Strauss Brands said they will no longer locate in Century Ciry. Another lost jobs opportunity for the city of Milwaukee. All those union jobs will go somewhere else.


I canít believe Rainey caved to a bunch of Vegans that are not from his district. He is a vegetarian so that probably has something to do with it. I hope another alderman picks this project up.

On the bright side already 60% of their employees are from the north side so it probably will just make their existing employees lives more difficult then creating new jobs on the north side.
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My guess is the south side suburbs will work on a solution to keep these jobs and grow the company with little opposition to adding union jobs. Again, a big loss for an area of the city that needed it the most. Where was the leadership throughout these discussions?
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I canít believe Rainey caved to a bunch of Vegans that are not from his district. He is a vegetarian so that probably has something to do with it. I hope another alderman picks this project up.

On the bright side already 60% of their employees are from the north side so it probably will just make their existing employees lives more difficult then creating new jobs on the north side.

So you didnít read the article then?
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And letís not pretend that jobs ranging from $28k-$35k a year are some magical fix that would completely boost the outlook of the neighborhood.

Yes. Itís a bummer that this isnít going to work out, but if residents feel like itís going to be a negative influence on their neighborhood, then maybe just throwing any kind of jobs there isnít whatís needed.
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