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Old October 8th, 2019, 03:10 PM   #1561
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I thought that FIFA brought in their own kit for broadcasting World Cups. Hence the different camera positions and often some seats being taken out.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 06:53 PM   #1562
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Sounds like your are suggesting that FIFA broadcasting take a cue from the musical "Chicago". :

https://genius.com/Richard-gere-razzle-dazzle-lyrics

That's a great approach when the matches and/or stadiums are really bad, but just detracts from the show if you have a strong product to present.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 09:30 PM   #1563
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Yes, I understood your point. Mine was just an aside, hence the “btw”.



Yes, I prefer the Premier League over La Liga. Seems a better broadcast. Both good though of course.



Indeed, experience would make a difference though I wonder whether they draft in the expertise for world cups? Some countries, of course, have good quality via broadcasting other sports leagues: USA via NFL, Australia via NRL & AFL, etc

Got it but.... I love basketball... I followed all last WC.

China could have good broadcastings but they didn't make their best in basket WC.

There are some niceties that it is not enough to know how to broadcast. You need top matches every weekend.

And not only in TV... why VAR was on arena's pavilions somewhere and in other ones it wasn't available?

Same with football...
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 04:18 AM   #1564
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Very interessant news

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FIFA's ruling body will also discuss the bidding process for the 2030 World Cup during the latest Council meeting.

FIFA President Gianni Infantino suggested in June that a Chinese bid for the 2030 World Cup was possible despite the governing body's preferred rotational model for selecting the host country.

It is not clear whether China, awarded the hosting rights for the 2023 Asian Cup earlier this week, will be eligible to bid for the event as Qatar is staging the tournament in 2022.

Previously, confederations have been excluded from the next two bidding processes once they have staged the World Cup.

But FIFA's statutes prohibit continents from entering the race for only the next edition after they have played host.

China would be among the favourites to land the hosting rights for the 2030 World Cup if the Asian nation is allowed to bid.

Other candidacies include a joint South American effort to mark the 100-year centenary since the first World Cup took place in Uruguay in 1930, while Britain and Ireland are also considering a bid.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 01:07 PM   #1565
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Every. Single. Time. Gotta love FIFA, consistently inconsistent and insincerely sincere!

They come up with these rules about who can bid and who can't, explain in great detail about why they're fair and Good For The Game, and then when they realise they want a different host that doesn't fit they change the rules to something else...and come up with some other sincere, grand sounding explanation about how the new model is actually the best way going forward. And, of course, it lasts all of four years.

What will the explanation and new bidding rules be this time I wonder?

Seriously FIFA, just let it be a free-for-all. That would be the most sincere and honest thing you could do.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 02:27 PM   #1566
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Every. Single. Time. Gotta love FIFA, consistently inconsistent and insincerely sincere!

They come up with these rules about who can bid and who can't, explain in great detail about why they're fair and Good For The Game, and then when they realise they want a different host that doesn't fit they change the rules to something else...and come up with some other sincere, grand sounding explanation about how the new model is actually the best way going forward. And, of course, it lasts all of four years.

What will the explanation and new bidding rules be this time I wonder?
7 of 19 FIFA corporate sponsors are Chinese companies, a relatively recent development. There's your reason.

It also doesn't hurt that the potential host in question is China and not, say, Scotland.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 03:28 PM   #1567
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Uruguay-Argentina. It is the southern hemisphere winter but it would still be pretty awesome.

Other than that; Italy.
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Every. Single. Time. Gotta love FIFA, consistently inconsistent and insincerely sincere!

They come up with these rules about who can bid and who can't, explain in great detail about why they're fair and Good For The Game, and then when they realise they want a different host that doesn't fit they change the rules to something else...and come up with some other sincere, grand sounding explanation about how the new model is actually the best way going forward. And, of course, it lasts all of four years.

What will the explanation and new bidding rules be this time I wonder?

Seriously FIFA, just let it be a free-for-all. That would be the most sincere and honest thing you could do.
and result in world cup commuting between usa and china?

it is for sure no coincidence that this decission is going to be made during the meeting in china! the only question left is if european and south american members of the council intend to prevent it? likely not!
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 05:43 PM   #1569
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Other than that; Italy.
Italy? Good luck with that, what with the procurement time it takes to get any given stadium built in that country.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 06:55 PM   #1570
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This can’t be news to anybody, can it? After all, FIFA’s self-imposed policies are not a suicide pact. They change when no longer useful as guidelines and Infantino has been hinting pretty clearly that Asia cannot be ignored.

I saw somewhere that China alone has 20 urban areas over 10M people growing in income and spendable cash. They presumably are basically saying “please come to our country and show your product to these people who are very eager hear about it. Oh, btw, we will pay all your costs including new stadiums, facilities, hotels, etc..”

The trick is not to figure out where to go; it's to manage expectations in the old markets so as not offend them.
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 07:10 PM   #1571
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and result in world cup commuting between usa and china?

it is for sure no coincidence that this decission is going to be made during the meeting in china! the only question left is if european and south american members of the council intend to prevent it? likely not!
Better some other part of East Asia. As has been noted, Qatar doesn't count as part of Asia for this purpose (call it the middle east if you want) so Asia isn't really having the WC in 2022.
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qatar is AFC member, thats the only thing that counts there. btw, it is asian country as well, no matter if middle east or far east ... asia is asia!
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 10:17 PM   #1573
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qatar is AFC member, thats the only thing that counts there. btw, it is asian country as well, no matter if middle east or far east ... asia is asia!
No. It's the principle thing that doesn't matter. Following your theory FIFA could move China to the European or African group and then every issue would go away. But that's not reality.

What DOES matter is the economics: Qatar is not economically in the same market as China or East Asia in general.
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oh dear ... noone is moving anybody!

FIFA only decides (members of) which confederations are allowed to bid! nothing more and nothing less!
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oh dear ... noone is moving anybody!

FIFA only decides (members of) which confederations are allowed to bid! nothing more and nothing less!
But it COULD change its internal policy to include China in whatever category it wants and apply whatever rules it wants (subject to the usual legal and contractual restraints). These are not natural laws.

And why would they want to go away from economic sense for no business reason? Every company changes their policies or approaches, maybe a dozen times on a single project as strategies change and develop. The world works efficiently that way as opposed to submitting yourself to rules dogmatically.
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But it COULD change its internal policy to include China in whatever category it wants and apply whatever rules it wants (subject to the usual legal and contractual restraints). These are not natural laws.

And why would they want to go away from economic sense for no business reason? Every company changes their policies or approaches, maybe a dozen times on a single project as strategies change and develop. The world works efficiently that way as opposed to submitting yourself to rules dogmatically.
I know you are pretty much clueless when it comes to the world of assotiation football including FIFA etc, so only for you, here the explanation why FIFA and business should not fit into one sentence:

FIFA is not a company, FIFA is officially and legally nothing but just an non-profit organization that takes care of world football as its governing body and it is registered as such in Switzerland, even exempted from tax due to its legal basis! Its only purpose is, according to its own statute, not to pile money but to govern, regulate and support the world football by investing all money earned in improvement of this sport while not prioritizing anyone! It even worked that way in the past, with more or less success, but with emergence of the world cup as the huge cash cow and worlds biggest sport event it first became foundation of unjustified enrichment and personal gains for high fifa officials and lately with appointment of infantino as president nothing but money-grubbing organisation that cares of noone and nothing but its own enrichment at any cost!

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I know you are pretty much clueless when it comes to the world of assotiation football including FIFA etc, so only for you, here the explanation why FIFA and business should not fit into one sentence:

FIFA is not a company, FIFA is officially and legally nothing but just an non-profit organization that takes care of world football as its governing body and it is registered as such in Switzerland, even exempted from tax due to its legal basis! Its only purpose is, according to its own statute, not to pile money but to govern, regulate and support the world football by investing all money earned in improvement of this sport while not prioritizing anyone! It even worked that way in the past, with more or less success, but with emergence of the world cup as the huge cash cow and worlds biggest sport event it first became foundation of unjustified enrichment and personal gains for high fifa officials and lately with appointment of infantino as president nothing but money-grubbing organisation that cares of noone and nothing but its own enrichment at any cost!

you‘re welcome!
Thanks; I knew that. Btw, did you know that the NFL for most of its history was a tax exempt organization? This was done for technical reasons. They only changed when they got bad press from the public who believed it avoided income taxes, which it didn't.

The rest of your comments are fine but like your obsession with roofs on stadiums, you have to get over it. Forget the venality, old buddy networks, corruption, Euro-centric aristocratic attitude. That's been largely suppressed at the upper levels and eventually the countries will clean-up.

Think of the world as groups of people who might be interested in soccer and what the leading proselytizer in the game should do about it. That would include attracting new people to play, attend matches or watch them on media.

And then you see the numbers of people in Asia and how much money they will soon have. What's your advice, remembering that your board has the power to fire you? Or are you going to read from your policy manual and tell them their hands are tied?
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There could be seven bids:
* Colombia/Ecuador/Peru
* Argentina/Chile/Paraguay/Uruguay
* UK/Ireland
* Portugal/Spain
* Bulgaria/Greece/Romania/Serbia
* Algeria/Morocco/Tunisia
* Egypt

I expect the FIFA Council'll select only three bids to the FIFA Congress. So Task Force will have so much evaluation and the report will be huge. It will be the contrary to the 2026 FIFA World Cup bids.
hopefully will win Romania/Greece duo, since they already have the stadiums. hoping they will not give back.

Romania can compete with:

* Arena Națională (55,600) - done
* Timișoara Arena (40,000) - starts in 2020 spring
* Steaua Stadium (31,500) - in construction
* Ion Oblemenco Stadium in Craiova (31,500) - done
* Cluj Arena (31,000) - done

potentially Dinamo Arena (30,000) - it will be built just to unlock the terrain - if 12 stadiums are needed. Greece might be a little bit behind Romania but I think a 4th one of AEK Athens is built? maybe somebody from Greece will present the situation.

or Romania and Greece to do with 4 and 4, or 5 and 5, Serbia and Bulgaria both with 1 stadium each.

overall Romania is ready if it's needed and does not build stadiums for a final tournament, just for improving infrastructure. there are others too, but are too minor (under 30k).

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hopefully will win Romania/Greece duo, since they already have the stadiums.

....overall Romania is ready if it's needed and does not build stadiums for a final tournament, just for improving infrastructure. there are others too, but are too minor (under 30k).
If all we're talking about is being stadium-ready, then England or Spain bids are more attractive than Romania/Greece. So you have two better competitors in your confederation, let alone outside it.

The best Greece/Romania/Serbia/Bulgaria should hope for is hosting the Euros. Even that will be difficult to win. But at least it's in the realm of possibility. A World Cup they're not going anywhere near in any of our lifetimes.
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hopefully will win Romania/Greece duo, since they already have the stadiums. hoping they will not give back.

Romania can compete with:

* Arena Națională (55,600) - done
* Timișoara Arena (40,000) - starts in 2020 spring
* Steaua Stadium (31,500) - in construction
* Ion Oblemenco Stadium in Craiova (31,500) - done
* Cluj Arena (31,000) - done

potentially Dinamo Arena (30,000) - it will be built just to unlock the terrain - if 12 stadiums are needed. Greece might be a little bit behind Romania but I think a 4th one of AEK Athens is built? maybe somebody from Greece will present the situation.

or Romania and Greece to do with 4 and 4, or 5 and 5, Serbia and Bulgaria both with 1 stadium each.

overall Romania is ready if it's needed and does not build stadiums for a final tournament, just for improving infrastructure. there are others too, but are too minor (under 30k).
Looking at the 2026 WC in USA/Canada/Mexico as a reference, most likely 16 stadiums will be needed. That way would be 4 stadiums in each of the 4 countries. But if that's not possible, then 5 stadiums in Greece and Romania each, 4 stadiums in Serbia and 2 in Bulgaria/ 3 stadiums in each Serbia and Bulgaria? I am not sure which of these countries have better stadiums but that would be my prediction.
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