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Old February 11th, 2020, 06:20 AM   #61
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Thanks for posting the renders. There were some earlier renders posted in another thread I think the Nairobi eastlands urban renewal or something. The earlier renders looked more high end. This looks more toned down to match Park-road housing. I think to lock in the supply for the jua-kali sector supply of windows and doors.

I hope on the ground floor facing the roads they will put commercial space
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Old February 16th, 2020, 11:08 AM   #62
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With all these housing stocks coming up, did they refine a way to allocate them or are they still basing it on some kind of lottery ? I personally think a lottery system isn't the best way to go. A point-based system is much better and fairer. Some of these policies from this Government (e.g this lottery) are not properly thought through in my opinion. Could explain why "BOMA YANGU" contributions can't be popular to many if one has to rely on lottery for allocation.
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Old February 16th, 2020, 06:58 PM   #63
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With all these housing stocks coming up, did they refine a way to allocate them or are they still basing it on some kind of lottery ? I personally think a lottery system isn't the best way to go. A point-based system is much better and fairer. Some of these policies from this Government (e.g this lottery) are not properly thought through in my opinion. Could explain why "BOMA YANGU" contributions can't be popular to many if one has to rely on lottery for allocation.
Problem is people like you got so stuck up on the "lottery" word despite PS explaining time and again. It was meant to be a random selection based on a point system. i.e the random system would factor different stuff. Currently 250K people have shown expression to own a house yet there are only a hand full of houses. Random system was the best way to go.

Due to public outcry due to being stuck up on the term "lottery" the selection method was changed to first come first serve. Good luck to anyone who applies later
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Old February 16th, 2020, 09:44 PM   #64
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Sounds to me like there is still no consistency on how they intend to allocate. A random selection based on points system sounds nonsense to me. A "first come first serve" does not address the problem in a fair way either. A purely "point based" system where the person with the highest number of points gets priority is best. Shall give an example here if I can;


Can agree that highest total number of points that any applicant can get is (for example only) is 600. Can then allocate the points as:

(1)100 points if house shall be your only home to own and occupy.
(2) You could get allocated 100 points for meeting the Kenyan citizen criteria
(3) 10 points awarded for every six months/a year you are in the waiting list before house is allocated
(4) 200 pints if you have young dependants of school-going age or an infant.
(5) 100 points if disabled or taking care of a disabled person living with you
(6) 50 points if you work for essential public services e.g medical,police, emergency services e.t.c
(7).............
(8)...........

This is a method that is used in most places in Europe. I used to be a housing officer for a local authority and that is how we used to allocate. I believe it can work in Kenya as well.
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Old February 16th, 2020, 11:18 PM   #65
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That is exactly what they were going to do ...but since demand completely outstrips supply, there was a an element of random section to be brought in.
Question.. so if there are 10,000 people with say 600 points and you have 100 houses to allocate, how are you going to fairly allocate those houses without bias?
Biggest mistake was for the gov to use "lottery" term. But it was basically a point based system where the
Ps had explained all to well that it was a comp selection that would be random but be weighted according to certain criteria/points.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 08:44 AM   #66
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There should be no element of random selection. Random selection promotes corruption and unfairness. Also, if you say that a clear point-based system is what they intend to do, such information should be clear and consistent. The public needs to know what kind of contract they are entering into with the Government as part of the allocation. The public has a legal right to know before they start making any financial contribution. The supply challenge can be addressed by catering to those able to buy outright to provide ready capital to construct more houses for those needing social support as they cannot buy the houses at the market price. The criteria for selecting those that need subsidised pricing or free housing due to the fact that they are poor should also be strict, clear and consistent.

To answer your last question on what to do if you have more people with maximum points but no houses to allocate, You should first start by designing your points system in such a way that such cannot happen. Try ensure that its almost impossible for anyone to even get the maximum points in the fist place. Also and in any event, health and safety of the applicant should always come first while allocating. That means e.g that if two people have equal points but one person has a serious medical condition that would either improve or stabilise if allocated the house, then you have to allocate to that person first.

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Old February 17th, 2020, 09:26 AM   #67
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There should be no element of random selection. Random selection promotes corruption and unfairness. Also, if you say that a clear point-based system is what they intend to do, such information should be clear and consistent. The public needs to know what kind of contract they are entering into with the Government as part of the allocation. The public has a legal right to know before they start making any financial contribution. The supply challenge can be addressed by catering to those able to buy outright to provide ready capital to construct more houses for those needing social support as they cannot buy the houses at the market price. The criteria for selecting those that need subsidised pricing or free housing due to the fact that they are poor should also be strict, clear and consistent.

To answer your last question on what to do if you have more people with maximum points but no houses to allocate, You should first start by designing your points system in such a way that such cannot happen. Try ensure that its almost impossible for anyone to even get the maximum points in the fist place. Also and in any event, health and safety of the applicant should always come first while allocating. That means e.g that if two people have equal points but one person has a serious medical condition that would either improve or stabilise if allocated the house, then you have to allocate to that person first.
What's the point of urban renewal if you are bringing back the same welfare people who decayed the council housing?

The prices quoted for these houses are almost half the market price so that's a massive subsidy. Point based should be for the social housing which is in Kibera/soweto and Mariguini settlements.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 09:40 AM   #68
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A decaying society is one that fails the most vulnerable. Yes, we need to provide decent houses for them as well. They are human beings and Kenyans like you and I. Also, this puts to a stop the mushrooming of slums near or next to every descent housing estate. These people provide manual and inexpensive labour to those with money like you sound. It makes sense if they live closer to where they work as travel costs eats away the little money that they make. Let us stay focused on the fact that we are talking about affordable housing. A government project for the poor majority. For those unwilling to live close to the poor who need government subsidy, the housing market in Kenya provides alternatives.

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Old February 17th, 2020, 10:50 AM   #69
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The vulnerable will be provided for housing under the social housing program which are supposed not to exceed 5 floors. 14 floors apartments require a middle income group otherwise you end up with highrise slums. There is a cost element to get water up 14 floors, remove garbage, pay rates, maintain common areas. Low income groups cannot meet those costs.

The main aim of affordable housing is to gentrify Eastlands and make it an attractive suburb for the Nairobi middle class and also break the concentration of poverty that had prevailed in the area. These areas were built in colonial kenya and were zoned as african areas and received minimal facelift resulting in urban decay, crime and poverty. The aim is to bring middle income earners to these areas and break the concentration of poverty.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 11:47 AM   #70
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Our main topic of discussion here was how best to allocate the housing units under the Government's affordable housing programme . There seem to be a conflict in your definition of affordable housing and social housing . For the Government to come up with such a programme, there is surely some kind of subsidy involved in the two .The difference between affordable and social housing is the percentage of subsidy involved (off the market price)for each demographic to afford. Either way, the Government is using the tax revenue to subsidise. If these people you call the "middle class" have the money, they obviously don't need to join the programme and the law of supply and demand should prevail. To gentrify Eastland is both a social and planning issue. A mixed development/housing is now required compared to the colonial days where the poor ware separated from the rich. The practice is what made it easier for slums to develop as the poor needed the jobs from the rich but had nowhere to live.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 01:04 PM   #71
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From the boma yangu portal
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No, the allocation system is not betting. It is a fair and transparent system that allocates houses to qualified applicants without any human intervention as indicated above. Members will be asked to indicate their preferred location (by county) of a house and will then be provided with information on the type of home they qualify for based on their income, required deposit payments and be provided with information on the projected monthly TPS payments.

Homes will be allocated through a randomised balloting-type allocation system – which means that potential owners will be selected from the waiting list of registered pre-qualified, eligible applicants. Allocation processing will be announced on the Housing Portal and through other communication outlets. Allocation will only be carried out for projects that are going live and will be done upon commencement of the construction.

The weighted pre-qualification criteria will include factors such as income, household status (priority to families), current assets owned, vulnerable groups, accumulated deposit, first come - first serve basis.

With regard to social housing, we will work with settlement executive committees which represent community interests and ensure that those living in the community are beneficiaries. This will entail registration, enumeration and verification of the community members
As you can see social housing is a different segment catering for the low income groups. The Pruitt-Igoe experience showed how difficult it is to form cohesive communities in this kind of large scale projects.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 01:33 PM   #72
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"randomised balloting-type allocation system" is certainly a good recipe for corruption. I can see such allegations coming up before long. I would not invest a single shilling in such a programme where the government seem very cagey into how the process works and when I can acquire what I intend to buy.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 10:20 PM   #73
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The selection process is explained by PS Hinga from 15:36

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