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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:33 AM   #121
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what do you mean? it's only 20 years since the last double-deck buses went. More articulated buses are coming (80). The problem with double-deck buses is the same problem as double-deck trains - increased stop dwell times for passengers to disembark. Other problems with DD buses today are axle load, having low-floor entry and overall height. In the past 20 years, the Sydney bus has gone from 10.4m long to 12.5m long and gained a 20cm high air conditioning unit, but has the same passenger capacity. You have to bear that in mind when translating it to DD buses that really do test the loading guage for vehicles...
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:49 AM   #122
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Can someone estimate the capacity of monorail compared to trams? I have never ridden on a Sydney tram in my life, but I see them every day i goto uni. The last time I been on the monorail was probably a decade ago.

Im wondering why monorail isnt such an attractive alternative to light rail as they dont take up lanes in streets, and are faster. IMO putting light rail in Bondi and Parramatta road is suicide.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:53 AM   #123
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Sydney's existing monorail has less capacity by about 25% than the light rail. Not sure on exact figures, but light rail & monorail have similar costs. Monorail is less accessible to the elderly and disabled, due to its elevated configurement. Light rail is very popular all over the world, it fathoms me that Oz has not introduced more of these lines by now.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 04:23 AM   #124
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Sydney's existing monorail has less capacity by about 25% than the light rail. Not sure on exact figures, but light rail & monorail have similar costs. Monorail is less accessible to the elderly and disabled, due to its elevated configurement. Light rail is very popular all over the world, it fathoms me that Oz has not introduced more of these lines by now.
If the physical capacity is only 25% less, then the capacity in real terms is probably much higher than light rail due to increased speed(no danger of hitting pedestrians) and most importantly no traffic lights to contend with. In my opinion the chaos to car traffic(unless there is a dedicated corridor, like the proposed Maroubra line) would make light rail impractical at solving transport problems here in Sydney.

Im still baffled why monorail isnt a serious consideration.

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 05:08 AM   #125
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The monorail used in Sydney is for the theme parks. We need a real bulky monorail like Seattle one.

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 05:20 AM   #126
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Sydney's existing monorail has less capacity by about 25% than the light rail. Not sure on exact figures, but light rail & monorail have similar costs. Monorail is less accessible to the elderly and disabled, due to its elevated configurement. Light rail is very popular all over the world, it fathoms me that Oz has not introduced more of these lines by now.
Light rail doesn't suit Sydney - look at our streets and the wide body vehicles chosen - a decent monorail is logical choice - bugger the elderly and disabled they should stick to the suburbs.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 12:08 PM   #127
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Light rail doesn't suit Sydney - look at our streets and the wide body vehicles chosen - a decent monorail is logical choice - bugger the elderly and disabled they should stick to the suburbs.
Well there would be lifts in major monorail stations anyway.
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Old June 26th, 2005, 02:09 AM   #128
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Are there such things as ground-level lightrails?
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Are there such things as ground-level lightrails?
When they aren't running on bridges or underground?
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Has the monorail, developed in anyway since its conception, and are there any plants for expansion?
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Old June 26th, 2005, 01:06 PM   #131
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no point expanding if it is more of a toursit attraction
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Old June 26th, 2005, 02:43 PM   #132
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no point expanding if it is more of a toursit attraction
The point of expanding it is to take it above just a tourist attraction.
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The point of expanding it is to take it above just a tourist attraction.
A decent marketing campaign might have helped. I would have liked to have seen no light rail and the monroail taking on the role... pity the monorail wasn't part of cityrail, it migt help to change attitudes... not that cityrail is well liked.
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The monorail used in Sydney is for the theme parks. We need a real bulky monorail like Seattle one.

Sorry, but i can't imagine that running within the city boundry. George St or any other congested CBD streets don't have wide foodpaths to cater for that monstrosity.
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Old June 26th, 2005, 04:45 PM   #135
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Sorry, but i can't imagine that running within the city boundry. George St or any other congested CBD streets don't have wide foodpaths to cater for that monstrosity.

Who says that it has to be over the footpath?????

It could run down the median strip and when the median strip isn't wide enough, you have a upside down Y sort of shape support holding it up. That splits the weight onto two supports, making the wide footpath less necessary.
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I don't think Clover Moore and the SCC would approve of it given their opposition to the existing monorail (which has gone on ever since it was built) because it wreck the streetscape, which the existing monorail has done.
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Old June 27th, 2005, 01:38 AM   #137
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because it wreck the streetscape, which the existing monorail has done.
It added a character to the streetscape IMO. It became a part of Sydney.
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Sorry, but i can't imagine that running within the city boundry. George St or any other congested CBD streets don't have wide foodpaths to cater for that monstrosity.
Its relatively minute footprint is many times better than light rail, which takes two whole lanes. I have trouble seeing how light rail can make significant improvements to congested streets. Its a give with one hand and take with the other. Especially with the stigma on Sydney public transport, and the fact that many sydney residential areas and growth/sprawl areas arent serviced by public transport, many people going to CBD may be sticking to their cars for some time to come. If that were the case light rail would be a disaster waiting to happen.

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I don't think Clover Moore and the SCC would approve of it given their opposition to the existing monorail (which has gone on ever since it was built) because it wreck the streetscape, which the existing monorail has done.
It is a vital character to Sydney's streetscape. Regardless how can they even think of imposing their own sense of appearance at the expense of the city, and other people who think otherwise.

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I think the Las Vegas monorail is rather hot, The KL monorail is rather nice also and when walking around KL its not really that imposing or in the way, I'd say it adds character. Our lighter weight Von Roll system is rather innocuous, it's not even really noticable IMO, just part of the city scene. I don't find it unsightly or find it obstructs pedestrian traffic.

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A monorail system requires the least infrastructure:

1. requires less than 30% of the material of an elevated light-rail system
2. requires much less on-site construction
3. minimal infrastructure makes
4. requires the least right-of-way
5. requires the least land acquisition
6. the smallest footprint: The only ground space required by a monorail system is the space for its columns
7. minimal guideways and support structures


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Monorail along OxFord St to FoxStudio would be perfect. FoxStudio is a kinda theme park after all.
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