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Old March 10th, 2007, 02:58 PM   #61
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Does anyone have any information about the new shopping center being built in rouse hill/kellyville area of sydney. I heard that it was going to be the biggest shopping center in southern hemisphere when completed.
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There was an article in the SMH on Friday reporting on the Castle Towers expansion. Very similar to the Telegraph report from several months back.

It does mention that the world's biggest shopping Centre is in China with more than 600 000 sq/m while the under construction Mall of Arabia in Dubai will have a million sq/m of space.

It makes our shopping centres look small.
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Old March 11th, 2007, 05:05 AM   #63
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The extension to the existing shopping centre in Castle Hill will make it the largest in Australia at 170,000 sq metres.

The next largest is in Melbourne at around 140,000 sq metres. Dont have the article anymore.
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There was an article in the SMH on Friday reporting on the Castle Towers expansion. Very similar to the Telegraph report from several months back.

It does mention that the world's biggest shopping Centre is in China with more than 600 000 sq/m while the under construction Mall of Arabia in Dubai will have a million sq/m of space.

It makes our shopping centres look small.
A lot of those centres in China are big and grand but totally empty. They're built purely as status symbols.
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Old March 12th, 2007, 01:40 AM   #65
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Will Castle Hill get Australia's biggest mall?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...166897954.html

March 9, 2007

CASTLE HILL is renowned for its splendid views and manicured lawns. But if a $470 million development is approved, the Hill could become home to Australia's biggest shopping centre.

Plans have been lodged with Baulkham Hills Shire Council to catapult Castle Towers - where some 20 million shoppers already spend $650 million a year - into the supermall stratosphere.

Should its owners, the Queensland Investment Corporation, get the nod, the centre will re-emerge as a 170,000-square-metre behemoth - roughly the size of 15 football fields, chock-full of beauty spas, denim jeans and juice bars.

"The bigger you are, the more likely you are to dominate the market," said a University of New England geographer, Robert Baker. "The bigger is better [centre] is like being able to survive in an ice age. You have to be a mega-fauna."

The application would take Castle Towers from its position as the 12th biggest mall in the country to No.1, with 17,000 square metres of speciality shops, 13,500 square metres of cinemas and 8674 parking spots.

After spending about $45 million on land acquisition and planning, the Queensland Investment Corporation has negotiated to buy two roads from the council, Castle Street and Castle Place, for a walkway fusing the old centre with its newer half.

A council spokeswoman declined to reveal how much the Queensland Investment Corporation had offered. "Any matters surrounding the closure of Castle Street or offers made by QIC are confidential," she said.

The redevelopment would involve pedestrian and vehicle over-bridges, tunnels, access roads and ramps.

The Shopping Centre Council of Australia says the planned centre is simply a sign of things to come.

"The trend overseas is bigger and bigger," said the council's executive director, Milton Cockburn.

He said limited land supply and changing consumer tastes pushed shopping centre owners into constantly enlarging and adjusting their facilities. "Some say that they eventually will reach a size where they will intimidate customers," he said. "[But] the larger they are, the greater the assurance a customer will find what they want."

While the Castle Towers proposal eclipses NSW's next biggest centre, Warringah Mall, by almost 43,000 square metres, it is not a patch on what is happening elsewhere in the world.

The biggest mall is found not in the United States but in China.

The South China Mall, in Dongguan, is almost four times bigger than the Castle Towers proposal, at 660,000 square metres.

In Dubai, the 1 million-square-metre Mall of Arabia is being built.

Dr Baker said the growth of centres in Australia was linked to a deregulation of trading hours, but "it is more than just economics … it is becoming a status thing".

"[Overseas it is about] who has the biggest centre," Dr Baker said.

THE BIG EIGHT

#Castle Hill, NSW: 170,000 Square metres
* Knox, Victoria,Vic: 142,244
* Westfield Fountain Gate, Vic: 138,163
*Chadstone, Vic: 137,076
* Westfield Marion, SA: 132,553
* Westfield Southland, Vic: 128,028
* Warringah Mall, NSW: 127,177
*Westfield Bondi Junction, NSW: 126,779
* Westfield Parramatta, NSW: 126,754
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Old March 12th, 2007, 02:24 AM   #66
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^ "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to dominate the market," said a University of New England geographer, Robert Baker. "The bigger is better [centre] is like being able to survive in an ice age. You have to be a mega-fauna."

Much of the mega-fauna are now extinct. cycles!
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Old March 12th, 2007, 02:53 AM   #67
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It's all well and good to compare our malls to the mega-malls of the world however is Castle Hill aiming to become an international shopping destination like Dubai is?

Dubai can build massive malls because (amongst other reasons) it is Tax Free offering an edge to European Shoppers, It also has the wealthy Arab market.

The megamalls in China are being built as status symbols, but also they will be able to draw in shoppers from all over Asia because again the, goods will be cheaper.

What will Castle Hills have to draw in the shoppers?
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Old March 12th, 2007, 02:59 AM   #68
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the public transport is the best out to castle hill, it could be much bigger given that excellent infrastructure they have.
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Old March 12th, 2007, 03:03 AM   #69
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God I remember Castle Towers from when I was a kid in the 80's and they had Red Rooster on the dodgy old roof carpark.

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but if that powers that be had any sense, they'd be hitting up the Queensland Investment Corporation to stump up a sizeable chunk towards the Castle Hill station. Maybe that baby would then be built a bit quicker too.
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What will Castle Hills have to draw in the shoppers?
K-Mart, Target and Big-W, all under one roof.
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Old March 12th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #71
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It's all well and good to compare our malls to the mega-malls of the world however is Castle Hill aiming to become an international shopping destination like Dubai is?

Dubai can build massive malls because (amongst other reasons) it is Tax Free offering an edge to European Shoppers, It also has the wealthy Arab market.

The megamalls in China are being built as status symbols, but also they will be able to draw in shoppers from all over Asia because again the, goods will be cheaper.

What will Castle Hills have to draw in the shoppers?
Castle Towers already draws the shoppers and recently topped all malls in Australia with the highest turnover (forget which year). It is already a well respected centre for retail trade in Sydney, but I don't believe for a second that they are trying to emulate what is happening in Dubai. QIC is not attempting to create a tourist shopping haven, yes they are after some prestige however. Prestige translates to marketing spin and customer interest.

This mall will be nothing like the mega malls of asia or places like Mall on America or Edmonton Mall. If you travel to just about any developed or developing country - this is what the trend has been. There are huge malls all over places like Malaysia, China, the Philippines, and some huge malls gracing many cities all over Europe. Our malls are small, poorly designed and contain hugely limited set of stock and shopping variety.

Australia needs this just to keep up a decent retail standard and give Australians more options when buying. I am concerned by our lack of brand availablilty and selection. I also think it's an embarrasment that Sydney has by far the most malls but none of the biggest. Look at all those Victorian shopping centres! It is about time we started to consolidate and create these on stop shops for everything. It's all about variety and percieved convenience and many see this as the current direction.
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K-Mart, Target and Big-W, all under one roof.

Castle Towers is considered a high class shopping centre, like Chatswood Chase and Bondi Westfield. Hardly known for its discount shops.
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Castle Towers is considered a high class shopping centre, like Chatswood Chase and Bondi Westfield. Hardly known for its discount shops.
It has K-Mart and Target already though. I'm sure the new extension will have Big-W whether you like it or not. It's so predictable. The same franchise retailers everywhere you go.
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Castle Towers already draws the shoppers and recently topped all malls in Australia with the highest turnover (forget which year). It is already a well respected centre for retail trade in Sydney, but I don't believe for a second that they are trying to emulate what is happening in Dubai. QIC is not attempting to create a tourist shopping haven, yes they are after some prestige however. Prestige translates to marketing spin and customer interest.

This mall will be nothing like the mega malls of asia or places like Mall on America or Edmonton Mall. If you travel to just about any developed or developing country - this is what the trend has been. There are huge malls all over places like Malaysia, China, the Philippines, and some huge malls gracing many cities all over Europe. Our malls are small, poorly designed and contain hugely limited set of stock and shopping variety.

Australia needs this just to keep up a decent retail standard and give Australians more options when buying. I am concerned by our lack of brand availablilty and selection. I also think it's an embarrasment that Sydney has by far the most malls but none of the biggest. Look at all those Victorian shopping centres! It is about time we started to consolidate and create these on stop shops for everything. It's all about variety and percieved convenience and many see this as the current direction.
Spot on Avatar! Its exactly what we need - i'm constantly impressed by the new malls popping up in KL, BKK etc etc - its about time we had new megamalls here too.

I certainly will be one to deliberately visit Castle Towers if it gets expanded - i even choose my stop-over destinations when travelling each yr to the UK as to what the retail offering is like.
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checkout the largest-to-be shopping mall in the world! where else but base of tallest building on earth.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6833/bdqd2.jpg
anyone know how many sqm?
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Places like KL really impress me with their malls and range of goods. It puts our shopping to shame. We have a very distinct lack of brand availabilty and a major lack of choice. You go to anywhere in Asia, even countries will moderate populations and still the choices are everywhere. From consumer goods and electronics to exceptional ranges of clothes and basic and couture labels. Sydney can't even manage proper flagship stores in the city for some brands. I wish I knew what was wrong with retail in this country. Places in Hong Kong can manage a store for some highclass brands on every second corner.

WE should be looking at invigorating the market with super electronics markets like in asia. The SEG Electronics Markets in shenzhen, Golden Computer arcade in HK and Sim Lim Square in Singapore are great examples.

Australia really needs to be doing more to help foster a more up-to-date manner of retailing to help make our lives easier and bring the costs down for all of us.


BTW did everyone see the frenzy at Bondi Westie today on TV? Target has today released it's new Stella McCartney range of affordable high end fashion garments ... They all sold out in minutes. The CEO of Target certainly has the right idea i think she has hit the mark with this concept.
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all good and well, but i think you'll find that the problem is that the average punter in our country just doesn't care. as long as they have their woolies and target under one roof, and myer for special occassions, they're happy. oh, there needs to be a surf shop and shoe store aswell. ahhh, that's about it really.

there probably just isn't the market here, for lack of interest. maybe, in general, we don't care for the material wealth as much as the arabs and asians. we can get what we want already, in general.
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Obviously in some cases its a lack of decent population, but I think you are correct in saying most Australians simply don't care. I guess it's a case of it's good enough at the moment. Most are content with their limited ranges and hugely expensive premium labels. Still i'd love to see electronics markets and a more asian style of retailing succeed here.
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Obviously in some cases its a lack of decent population, but I think you are correct in saying most Australians simply don't care. I guess it's a case of it's good enough at the moment. Most are content with their limited ranges and hugely expensive premium labels. Still i'd love to see electronics markets and a more asian style of retailing succeed here.
I think the other great difference we have is far more limited opening hours - i would dearly love to have our malls/shops open til 9 or 10pm but i wonder if we would support it? (Remember Borders in Pitt St Mall had to close earlier due to lack of evening custom - but i certainly visit Borders WBJ at least 1 or 2 evenings a week as its open til 11pm)

It does amaze me how we don't even have massive international chains like Zara, H&M, M&S etc - i wonder why when countries with far lower GDP's such as Malaysia & Thailand, even Phillippines have all the multinational brands represented across all levels of retail?
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I have to agree with the chains, especially M&S with all us ex-pats here I would have thought it would have a roaring trade, but I guess with the population etc and places like DJ's and Myers the competition is too great. Wish H&M would come here though!
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